Some President we have

[ciarrai]

Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'

Capital Hill Blue/DOUG THOMPSON | December 9 2005

Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

“I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

I’ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution “a goddamned piece of paper.”

And, to the Bush Administration, the Constitution of the United States is little more than toilet paper stained from all the shit that this group of power-mad despots have dumped on the freedoms that “goddamned piece of paper” used to guarantee.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, while still White House counsel, wrote that the “Constitution is an outdated document.”

Put aside, for a moment, political affiliation or personal beliefs. It doesn’t matter if you are a Democrat, Republican or Independent. It doesn’t matter if you support the invasion or Iraq or not. Despite our differences, the Constitution has stood for two centuries as the defining document of our government, the final source to determine – in the end – if something is legal or right.

Every federal official – including the President – who takes an oath of office swears to “uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says he cringes when someone calls the Constitution a “living document.”

“"Oh, how I hate the phrase we have—a 'living document,’” Scalia says. “We now have a Constitution that means whatever we want it to mean. The Constitution is not a living organism, for Pete's sake.”

As a judge, Scalia says, “I don't have to prove that the Constitution is perfect; I just have to prove that it's better than anything else.”

President Bush has proposed seven amendments to the Constitution over the last five years, including a controversial amendment to define marriage as a “union between a man and woman.” Members of Congress have proposed some 11,000 amendments over the last decade, ranging from repeal of the right to bear arms to a Constitutional ban on abortion.

Scalia says the danger of tinkering with the Constitution comes from a loss of rights.

“We can take away rights just as we can grant new ones,” Scalia warns. “Don't think that it's a one-way street.”

And don’t buy the White House hype that the USA Patriot Act is a necessary tool to fight terrorism. It is a dangerous law that infringes on the rights of every American citizen and, as one brave aide told President Bush, something that undermines the Constitution of the United States.

But why should Bush care? After all, the Constitution is just “a goddamned piece of paper.”

[sidaust]

I will take George Bush over I bet your hero John Kerry, the cut and run liberal, so called war hero anyday....

[jimmyfid]

Atleast Mr kerry went over and served and delt with war. And in my book if you come back sane , he is a hero. And should have been our President.

[sidaust]

He betrayed his own men and the many veterans and put them in danger. His photograph is still hanging in the a museum in Vietnam along with Honoi Jane of the people who helped them win the war. He should have been tried for treason....Thank God, Thanks God,,he is not our president. He gave aid and comfort to the enemy and still is doing it today.. Only a handful of his buddies in the swift boat group out of more thank 200 supported him during his failed run to be our commander...WONDER WHY THAT IS...Because he is a traitor to his country....he will never be president and I hope no liberal like him will be president. All you leftest can do is hate the president...Thats all you can do.

Sid

[everwiser]

Do a search for Rodney Stich....or Defrauding America....
Site for Providing Insider Information to the Public
On the Deep-Seated Corruption in the
Three Branches of Government
You can't blame our current situation on one person..it is much deeper..I can't believe that with all the information available these days one would be so narrow minded.

Nice change of subject...He wasn't laying the blame for all of this country's ills on one man (John F'ing Kerry). Seems like you wanted lay them all on President Bush until confronted. There are plenty of problems in this country but it's not the fault of the Washington Fat Cats as much as it is the people of this country's apathy for their right to vote. If you sincerely want things to change, vote for change; and by that I don't mean vote either Democrat or Republican. I mean vote for anyone who is not the incumbent. We need new blood in Washington...We've been electing incumbent lawyers too long. Just my .02.

[Tradewinds]

I find it hilarious how many simpletons cant conjure up anything besides "Well, would you rather have KERRY in office, you stinkin' liberal?" Not exactly an intelligent argument.

Why not just admit that Bush is a terrible president? He is destroying our country, OUR COUNTRY - Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Libertarians, Socialists? All of us. Everyone is losing, so swallow your pride and admit that George Bush is a jackass, its staring you in the face. Two out of three americans now realize it. I'm not saying John Kerry would have been a better choice, and i'm not blaming anyone who voted for Bush. All i'm saying is why defend him? What has he done for you? Just because you want to feel like you made the right decision in voting for him, you defend him to the death? Open your eyes people. Republicans and democrats are only left and right hands, each with their own goals. If you want to do something for your country, do what was mentioned above and vote for someone who deserves to be in office.

Trade

[everwiser]

Wah, wah, wah...If you're so bothered, you've got 2006 and 2008 to put together a coalition and some new ideas...However, unless your politics can persuade a majority of Americans, you won't get anywhere.

As far as money controlling Washington, you're absolutely right. Give people a valid argument and alternative for them to direct their donations to and you'll have a winning combination. However, thus far, the majority of Americans are conservative by nature and lifestyle (i.e. more in common with the Republican Party). It's only in big/inner cities that you get the more liberal wing of society (i.e. more in common with the Democrats). I'd love for there to be an alternative that stands a snowball's chance in he!! of getting the votes but until they can persuade a majority of regular Americans, "It ain't gonna happen!".

As far as Bush being a terrible President, does anyone remember Jimmy Carter? Things were a he!! of a lot worse then. I'd rather have a President and Party in power with something positive to say than a Party whose only ideal is cut-and-run and negativity.

[thinksnow]

well I don't remember too much about the peanut farmer other than he was a peanut farmer & his brother billy had a beer named after him :drinkbud
(I was only 10 years old when he was inaugurated into office) I would be amazed if you could ever get a president to declare the national emergency over & relinquish the power congress gave to the president (FDR)in 1933 & every president since then declares this emergency powers when innaugurated into office. When are we going to find one who isn't so power hungry that they will give back these powers to congress????? If you find such a candidate I will vote for them!

[ciarrai]

Do a search for Rodney Stich....or Defrauding America....
Site for Providing Insider Information to the Public
On the Deep-Seated Corruption in the
Three Branches of Government
You can't blame our current situation on one person..it is much deeper..I can't believe that with all the information available these days one would be so narrow minded.

pluginprofits, I know only too well who controls this country and this world and it sure as hell isn't George W Bush, he is only a puppet. He is arrogant enough though to think otherwise. As for you sidaust you would lose your bet, no way am I a John Kerry fan. I support the Constitution, like Bush he doesn't, people like Ron Paul are amongst my heroes.

[ciarrai]

Former Republican Congressman and CIA official Bob Barr says that there is a danger recent developments describe a trend of America slipping into a totalitarian society and that the Bush administration are doing everything in their power to see that this happens.

During a radio interview with host Alex Jones, Barr outlined where the country is heading.

"Basically, as long as you smile when you demand to see somebody's ID at gunpoint sitting on a bus I guess it's OK for the government, that's sort of the way they operate. It can be a totalitarian type regime."

"I think it's a real danger where we have the military becoming involved in all sorts of domestic matters and we have the government being able to seize very private personal records on people without any suspicion that they've done anything wrong. This is a dramatic turn of events that has accelerated greatly since 9/11."

Barr made comments very similar to those of current Republican Congressman Ron Paul in stating that natural disasters could be used by the government as a pretext to abolish posse comitatus.

"If we have the military involved whenever there's a windstorm, rain or tornado then what we are doing is that we are undermining the entire basis on what our constitutional representative democratic form of government was founded."

Barr said that legislation like the Patriot Act and its imminent re-authorization and expansion were more of a threat to the American way of life than any terrorist attack.



"Even when the leaders in Washington say we're not going to let the terrorists change our way of life, they are implementing policies that do precisely that."

Barr elaborated that the manipulation of fear was a key cornerstone in the government's coup de 'tat on constitutional liberties.

"They're using people's fear of another terrorist attack to move forward with various government programs that the government has wanted to gather and put in place for many many years. They're using the fear which is now driving public policy in this country which is very unfortunate and very un-American. Our leaders are shamelessly playing on that fear to implement and grab power."

Speaking on the topic of the second amendment, Barr said that his position as a board member on the NRA enabled him to judge the difference between how the Clinton and Bush administration's approached the issue. Barr echoed the sentiments of many other prominent conservatives in expressing his frustration about how the Bush administration was even more anti-second amendment than the Clinton office.

"it's my impression to be honest with you, and this is confirmed by a lot of folks who are involved very heavily in regulatory matters involving firearms, that it is more difficult dealing with this administration than it was dealing with the prior administration."

Barr is currently working with the ACLU and others in trying to prevent the sunset clauses of the Patriot Act from being renewed, which could happens as early as this week.