A Request To Christians Only

Hello,
Please, if you logged into this out of curiousity and are not Christian, may I ask you to go back and ignore this thread. This is not a request to start a debate. It is a thread designed to reach Christians who would be interested in sharing spiritual experiences with me and of course, with other members.
Please understand I am not discriminating. I have nothing against anyone. Just want to keep this on focus. Later when more posts from others are added, I will not object to anyone else coming in to read them. But, please, please no arguments.
So, now to the Christians who come into this forum, I have a request. Many times in my life I have had an experience where the Bible, which I consider the Word of God, has ministered to me in different hours of need. I am sure the same has happened to you. Therefore, I would like it very much if you would either PM me or just share it here in this thread.
I am interested in ONLY direct guidance you received from the Scriptures. I know there are many experiences we have in our Christian walk which are not directly related to the Bible. However, please keep your related incidents to Scriptual guidance only.

Thank you much and I'm looking forward with pleasure to reading your accounts.

In Christ,
Grace McDonald

Hi Grace,

Here are some of the best scriptural resources I use. The commentaries and theme based DVDs by Chuck Missler have proven to be very helpful. Chuck Missler really knows his stuff. Check out these links when you have a chance.

http://store.khouse.org/store/catalo...0on%20CD%2dROM

http://www.blueletterbible.org/
http://www.biblegateway.com/


I hope this helps,

Caine

Hi Caine,
Thank you for your response. However, I am not asking for references or sources. I want just candid reports of times in one's life when the Scriptures have been a source of guidance and encouragment. For instance here is an experience I once had that was a true life saver.
I had been left with 3 teenage children to finish rearing. A very formidable job, I can tell you. I went to the Word because I needed strength and guidance. My oldest son was proving a real handful and was getting into drugs and questionable company. I was frantic, I began seeking a solution. I began to consider putting him into some branch of the service although he was only 17. I asked three friends whom I trusted what they thought. All three said they felt it was a good answer to our need. I sat down with my Bible in front of me and closed my eyes to pray a bit. My prayer was, "Lord, I have the input of these friends and I love them and trust them, but they're not God, so I need to know what You think. A Bible reference was impressed on my mind. I turned to it and this is what it said, "He will die for lack of instruction and in the greatness of his folly he will astray and be lost." Proverbs 5:23 Wow! It couldn't be clearer than that!
Of course, I knew that when he turned 18 he would be sent to Vietnam unless the war ended before then, but I thought I would be able to handle that when it happened. Well, it happened, and I wasn't able to handle it. I actually thought I was going to die, it hit me so hard. Again I had put my Bible on the table before me and had closed my eyes to ask the Lord's guidance before reading. I had just randomly opened it, and when I looked down, my eyes fell on this verse: "Refrain your voice from weeping and your eyes from tears, for you work shall be rewarded and shall return from the 's land of the ememy. And there is hope in your future," declares the Lord, "and your children shall return to their own territory." Was that clear, or what?
Okay, anyone responding, that is the gist of what I would like to have put in here. I do not want to make it a doctrinal or controversial issue. Just candid reports of your own experience.

Hope that clears it up.

Thanks for your input.

HI! I am also a single mom. 2 boys, I know its hard!
I will pray for you!

I've never had the type of experience you are describing. It is probably because I began studying the Bible at an early age. God will provide such guidance to His "babes in Christ" but we are to grow. Just as you feed your baby when he is small, but you expect him to start feeding himself as he grows. As you mature, you commit more and more of the Bible to memory and in a time of need, God brings applicable scripture to mind.

Nearly 30 years ago, I had probably the most dramatic experience. I was talking with a visitor to my Sunday School. She confided that she did not think she could ever be married as she was terrified of all men because of some things her stepfather had done. God brought I John 4:18 to my mind. "There is no fear in love; perfect love casteth out fear..." I told her that was how she would know what man God wanted her to marry. She might continue to be afraid of other men, but there would be one man she would be totally unafraid of as his love for her would cast out her fear of him. She hit "cloud nine" and it completely changed her personality. To make a long story short, she became engaged within six weeks and has been happily married ever since.

There have been many times when I needed guidance and God brought a scripture to mind. However, He cannot bring a scripture to mind if it is not already in your mind which is why daily prayer and Bible reading are so important. They are to the spiritual life what combing your hair and brushing your teeth are to the physical life.

Thank you Maxie,
That is what I wanted. Your experience is certainly leading from the Word of God. It doesn't matter whether the actual Bible is there when the scritpure becomes real to us. It is His word regardless.

Thanks again and blessings to you,
G. McDonald

James Goll: "Praying Down Supernatural Encounters"
With Articles By Bruce Steinbaum & Alan Wyatt

James W. Goll
Encounters Networkwww.jamesgoll.co

MINISTRY AT THE ALTAR OF INCENSE


"Now it came about while he was performing his priestly service before God in the appointed order of his division, according to the custom of the priestly office, he was chosen by lot to enter the temple of the Lord and burn incense. And the whole multitude of the people were in prayer outside at the hour of the incense offering. And the angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing to the right of the altar of incense." -- Luke 1:8-11


The Order of Progression
Zechariah was chosen to minister to the Lord.
*The people all responded as they were in prayer at the "hour of incense."
*Zechariah is now ministering at the altar of incense (prayer).
*What went up (incense/prayer) was cast back down to earth in the form of a visitation. (That which goes up must come down!)
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Angelic activity is released.
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A proclamation of healing is made.
*Zechariah goes home, and Elizabeth is healed and gives birth to a son, a prophet named John the Baptist.



Jesus is the one who said, "If two or three agree . . ." Consider this: what if whole cities came into agreement in prayer for a visitation -- what would happen? "If two or three agree . . ." Wow! I know both of these ministries, and they did not consult with one another but with the Lord alone! But God is speaking loud and clear -- the supernatural is His way -- miracles are on the increase!
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James W. Goll
Encounters Networkwww.jamesgoll.com

PRAYING DOWN MIRACLES -- An Article by Bruce Steinbaum

Researchers contend that 80 percent of new Christians in South Asia come to Christ as a direct result of some kind of supernatural encounter. Church planters among the Gamit people of Gujarat, India, say that membership jumped from zero to 60,000 in ten years as a result of hundreds of miraculous healings. The Chinese church is growing faster than any other in the world. In one province, 2,000 new churches were planted in three years. Why? Most observers believe the answer lies in the Chinese propensity for prayer -- a habit formed among those who have grown up with no hymnals, few Bibles, and much suffering.

In Saudi Arabia, some Christian nurses were asked to pray for a thirteen year old girl dying of leukemia. The girl was visited by the Lord one night, though she knew nothing about Jesus. The next day, she announced to her astonished parents that she had met her Healer, and the entire family is now following Christ.

The Gospel has penetrated even Islam's holiest city. In 1993, several Saudi believers conducted a prayer march around the periphery of Mecca, site of the annual Hajj or pilgrimage. They asked God to establish a church in the city and to reveal Himself to the two million truth-seeking pilgrims who visit the city every year to pay homage to Allah at the Ka'bah shrine. According to at least two sources, Jesus made a special guest appearance at the 1994 Hajj -- declaring to a group of Nigerian Moslems that He was indeed the One they were seeking.

Some Kurds reportedly have come to Christ as a result of intercessory prayer and supernatural dreams and visions. One of these new Christians was converted a few years ago in Turkish Kurdistan. An avowed atheist and the editor of an influential Marxist magazine, this man was arrested in 1981. A Christian who gave him a New Testament prayed that Jesus would reveal Himself in a series of dreams. At their next meeting, the man became a Christian and announced that Jesus is the One who cleanses sin.

In Tunis, as in other parts of the Arab world, God is employing dreams, visions, and miraculous healings to draw truth-seekers to Himself. One dramatic example of this phenomenon involved a group of Sufi Moslems in North Africa who were chanting and dancing before Allah in hopes that he might reveal himself. They say that Jesus appeared and declared that He is the true God.

According to missionaries in the region, many other people living in the isolated reaches of the Sahara Desert have reported similar visions of the Lord, and they are requesting Scriptures so they can learn more about Christ.

In Egypt, a Moslem military officer said he was visited by Jesus Christ in a dream. Upon waking, he immediately sought out Christians in his unit to see if they could provide him with a copy of God's Word. Finding only one believer in his officer corps, he quietly asked if he could borrow the man's Bible. In a manner reminiscent of Ananias' reluctant ministry to Saul of Tarsus, the Christian cautiously agreed. After several days of pouring over the Gospels, the officer became a disciple of Jesus. According to reports out of Cairo, this man has become a bold witness.

A team of Christians reported that a Pakistani Moslem recently had a dream about a Bible descending out of heaven. While he gazed at the book in amazement, the man said he heard the voice of Jesus declaring, "This is My Word -- obey it." Similar reports of dreams and visions are commonplace inside Pakistan.

Youth With A Mission leaders (a missionary group) in the Krasnodar region recently received a plea for help from one of the only Christians living among the Moslem Adegyi people. She lamented that Moslems were flooding the land with Islamic literature and warned that the time was short to reach her people. One leader in the missions group mentioned that he had dreamed about the Adegyis the night before. Realizing that these were signals from the Holy Spirit, YWAM launched a series of literature and street campaigns in the Adegyi region. As a result, a church has been planted.

In Cuba, a divine visitation of healing descended upon a small town about 40 miles outside the capital. Everyone who walked into the church there was healed. As news of this spread, people from other towns began arriving. They too were healed. Eventually, people from all over the Island were coming and being healed. This went on for six weeks. Tens of thousands were saved. Many churches were planted, and interest in the Gospel rose nationwide because everyone had heard the news. It was so powerful that even the Communist government could not deny these events. (Most of these healings were a result of laying on of hands.)


<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">"But Paul (future apostle before his conversion), threatening with every breath and eager to destroy every Christian. . . As he was nearing Damascus on this mission, suddenly a brilliant light from heaven spotted down upon him! He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, 'Paul! Paul! Why are you persecuting me?' 'Who is speaking, sir?' Paul asked. And the voice replied, 'I am Jesus, the One you are persecuting! Now get up and go into the city and await my further instructions.'" -- Acts 9:1, 3-6

"The night before he (Peter the Apostle) was to be executed, he was asleep, double-chained between two soldiers with others standing guard before the prison gate, when suddenly there was a light in the cell and an angel of the Lord stood beside Peter! The angel slapped him on the side to awaken him and said, 'Quick! Get up!' And the chains fell off his wrists! Then the angel told him, 'Get dressed and put on your shoes.' And he did. 'Now put on your coat and follow me!' the angel ordered. So Peter left the cell, following the angel." -- Acts 12:6-9</BLOCKQUOTE>


Many Argentine church leaders say that the church growth boom in this South American country is a result of "spiritual warfare" against the powers of darkness. Eduardo Lorenzo, pastor of the Adrogue Baptist Church in Buenos Aires, says his small congregation began growing rapidly in 1987, immediately after church members fasted and prayed against a demonic spirit.

"Until then, virtually no one who resided in Adrogue had ever been converted," Lorenzo says. "Now 40% of the church members are from Adrogue." His church, which was 70 years old, had never had more than 100 members, but it grew to 600 members in three years after the demon was challenged.

There are many other examples of God helping people. Space prevents printing all of them. However, you may use the following to guide you in praying for other types of miracles

Pray that God would come and perform the following miracles:
Heal the deaf, dumb, and/or blind.
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Deliver the demonically possessed.
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Heal those with mental problems.
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Raise the dead. This happened in China, where
Jesus raised a recently buried girl and sent her
home.
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Heal the crippled and lame.
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Nourish those who are starving to death.
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Visit the unsaved and tell them what church to attend and how to get there.
FROM THE LIFE OF JOHN G. LAKE

We need to see another powerful healing movement occur like that of John G. Lake. He moved in great power and was used to great effect in South Africa and much of the northwest part of the United States. The following are newspaper articles from the Spokane, Washington, secular newspaper in 1924 of a healing parade led by Reverend Lake. +++++++++++++++++*Thursday, August 7, 1924 -- HEALED BY GOD PARADE

Expect 250 members of the Church Elect to enter into what they hope will be an impressive testimony to the power of God to heal; about 250 persons, who claim to have been healed of their diseases through prayer, will parade on the downtown streets Saturday afternoon, August 16, at 3:00. A permit for the use of 50 automobiles, and a band, to parade at that time has been issued to Dr. John G. Lake, head of the Church Elect, by the city council. In speaking of the parade today, Lake said, "We believe in testifying to the power of God at every opportunity. It is not possible to get the message we have to teach before everyone. We believe that when the citizens of Spokane see this group of persons, many of them once at death's door with incurable diseases, it will be a forceful and unforgettable testimony that God does heal."

The regular Thursday night healing meeting will be held in the tents at Ash and Chelan at 8:00.
Monday, August 18, 1924 -- HEALED BY GOD PARADE

Fifty autos carry 250 persons healed by Lake's prayers. Thousands of Spokane people witnessed the unique parade of "healed" persons from the "Church Elect," when they rode through downtown streets in automobiles Saturday afternoon.

About 50 automobiles were in line Saturday, and more than 250 persons who claim to have been healed of all manner of diseases by the power of God were in the cars. The automobiles were placarded with signs which told of the diseases from which the occupants were cured.

The cures affected by the prayers of Dr. John G. Lake, according to the signs, were: nervous prostration, pneumonia, diabetes, paralysis, tuberculosis, adenoids, shingles, flu, eczema, leakage of the heart, rheumatism, and broken arches.

The feature of the parade was a delivery car containing more than a dozen children, and it bore the sign: "born painlessly" on each side. The mothers of these children had no assistance in childbirth other than prayer, they declare. Dr. John G. Lake, preceded by a band, led the parade. The cars traveled downtown streets for more than an hour.

A fitting conclusion, it would seem to the series of meetings. Yes, there still were the skeptics in the community, but the ones who were healed by God will never forget the occasion when the power of God healed them as they had the faith to believe for it.

By Alan Wyatt+++++++++++++++++
OUR DESPERATE RESPONSE IS NEEDED


Repentance Needed

Some of us need to repent of our fear and prejudice against a "faith emphasis." While we need to be broken, authentic vessels, there is no substitute for bold faith. I invite you to join me in repenting of our "fear of faith" because of what we think it might look like, what others have made it look like, and our fear of what it really does look like! Faith is almost always spelled R-I-S-K!


Let's Minister at the Altar

May the prayer movement continue to grow, and may there be a restoration of leaders and people of prayer as in the days of Zechariah. Priests (that's you!), take your place. Minister at the altar of prayer. Let the time of the incense offering come forth.


Expect!

Let's believe God to pour down supernatural encounters, healings, and miracles, as He has done in times past. Let's expect an invasion of Holy Spirit activity in response to our prayer invitations!

Blessings to each of you this beautiful fall season!

In Christ Jesus!
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James W. Goll
Encounters Networkwww.jamesgoll.com ** ~~~

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Two hundred years ago, this verse was burned into the hearts of Moravian refugees in tiny Herrnhut in eastern Germany under Count von Zinzendorf. They committed themselves to restore this "Watch of the Lord" through 24 hours of unbroken prayer and intercession that continued for more than 100 years! God is out to restore the lost art of intercession, and He is calling His warriors to once again mount the "Watch of the Lord."

When God's people send "up" the incense of prayer and worship, God will send "down" supernatural power, anointing, and acts of intervention. Jim Goll paints a picture of prophetic clarity and urgency in this anointed work that sounds God's clarion call to His Church: This is the season for us to mount the walls with prayer and praise - and restore the lost art of intercession!*

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Hi all; :smile:

I might like to add about supernatural encounters. Did you Know The prophet Daniel was a Magician. :eek: His name was Beltashazzsar which means "Lord of the Sun".

In Daniel 4:4-9; he was known as the HEAD of the Magic practicing priests of Babylon. He was able to cast and uncast spells such as in untying knots ( a form of witchcraft today ). A wise person is a witch or if a male like Daniel a warlock. The word witch means wise one.He would not be able to be a head magician as far as the king is concerned if he could nopt weild any magical power. He was a prophet - in that he could interpret dreams ( a Mantis ) and predict the future ( a Seer ).

Daniel 4: 4-9 says -

4 “I, Nebuchadnezzar, happened to be at ease” in my house and flourishing in my palace.” 5 There was a dream that I beheld, and it began to make me afraid. And there were mental images upon my bed and visions of my head that began to frighten me. 6 And from me an order was being put through to bring in before me all the wise men of Babylon, that they might make known to me the very interpretation of the dream.’
7 “At that time the magic-practicing priests, the conjurers, the Chalde’ans and the astrologers” were entering; and I was saying before them what the dream was, but its interpretation they were not making known to me. 8 And at last there came in before me Daniel, whose name is Belteshaz’zar according to the name of my god and in whom there is the spirit of the holy gods; and before him I said what the dream was:
9 “0 Bel•teshaz’zar the chief of the magic-practicing priests, because I myself well know that the spirit of the holy gods is in you’ and that there is no secret at all that is troubling you, tell the visions of my dream that I have beheld and its interpretation.”

And again in Chapter 5:7-13 it says;

7 The king was calling out loudly to bring in the conjurers, the Chal•de’ans and the astrologers. The king was an swering and saying to the wise men of Babylon: “Any man that will read this writing and show me its very interpretation, with purple he will be clothed, with a necklace of gold about his neck, and as the third one in the kingdom he will rule.”
8 At that time all the wise men of the king were coming in, but they were not competent enough to read the writing itself or to make known to the king the interpretation. 9 Consequently King Belshaz’zar was very much frightened and his complexion was changing within him; and his grandees were perplexed.10 As regards the queen, because of the words of the king and his grandees she entered right into the banqueting hall. The queen answered and said: “0 king, keep living even to times indefinite.” Do not let your thoughts frighten you, nor let your complexion be changed. 11 There exists a capable man in your kingdom in whom there is the spirit of holy gods; and in the days of your father illumination and insight and wisdom like the wisdom of gods were found in him, and King Nebunez’zar your father himself set him up as chief of the magic-practicing priests, the conjurers, the Chalde’ans [ the astrologers ] your father, O king; 12 forasmuch as an extraordinary spirit and knowledge and insight to interpret dreams and the explanation of riddles and the untying of knots had been found in him, in Daniel, whom the king himself named Belte.shaz’zar. Now let Daniel himself be called, that he may show the very interpretation."

And so it makes me wonder why Daniel would allow himself to practice such Occultic arts when Dueteronomy 18:9-14 clearly states that those under the law should not practice magic or any form of Divination ? The text states:

9 “When you are entered into the land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not learn to do according to the detestable things of those nations.’ 10 There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic’ or any one who looks for omens” or a sorcerer,” 11 or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events, or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12 For everybody doing these things is something detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable things Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you. 13 You should prove yourself faultless with Jehovah your God.14 ‘For these nations whom you are dispossessing used to listen to those practicing magic and to those who divine; but as for you, Jehovah your God has not given you anything like this.

Daniel is guilty of all of the highligted parts in Dueteronomy 18. Technically Jehovah should put him to death for violation of the mosaic law. Jesus even quoted Daniel in Matthew 24:15; so he had respect for his writings and powers of prediction.

As Jesus could raise the dead with Lazurus ( necromancy or ressurection ) walk on water( levitation )in front of his disciples, turn water into wine at a wedding feast ( transmutation ), calm the storms ( weather control ) just like David Copperfeild, Cris Angel and David Blaine can today - then in reality Jesus is a Warlock just like Daniel and our modern day magicians. Moses, too, is the same as he can perform divination or turn his rod into a snake, or part the red sea. They were all magicians with varioaus abilities. As I have done a lot of research into this area, and to save the time wasters - I do not accept the flawed reasoning that the ancient prophets were using God's spirit and a magician uses the Devil's spirit - I'm sorry that's garbage. I know better than that.

Interested in your comments. :waiting: May God Bless;
Kimlyn

Dear Kimlyn,
Thank you for your post. However, I would appreciate it if you could go back to the beginning of htis thread and read my request. I had no intention of starting a thread to examine or debate issues. i merely am asking for personal experiences from those who have had an encounter with God in healing, comfort, guidance, etc. to give an account of those.
I'm sure there are other threads where you can post controversial arguments and I am not denying you that. I just want to keep this one for the original purpose for which I started it.

Thank you and God bless,
Grace

Dear Skylark,
Although that is not exactly waht I requested, I do truly appreciate the materials you sent. This has been an area of great concern and object of my intercession for years now. It is so encouraging to know thta God is working so wonderously in the earth now. I do certainly agree with you that the great need now is intercessory prayer. God is truly moving in the earth greatly.
I will follow up on some of the things you wrote.
Here is a fellow Christian who has the same burden you do to see the Muslim world come to know Jesus as Lord. Here is the link. He has a newsletter but i cannot find the link. However, you will be able to tell from this iste what he is all about.

www.joelrosenberg.com

He is a journalist, a Jewish believer who has a great burden for the Arab world as well as seeing Israel prosper.

Bless you,
Grace

Its a pity your religious beliefs don't teach you to answer the question somebody asks you.

Dear Manic1,
Please don't be too hard on the people here. Sometimes we want to get our message out so badly, that we have tunnel vision. However, I do thank you for your support and bless you for it.

Grace

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Originally Posted by hzchoice

Dear Skylark,
Although that is not exactly waht I requested, I do truly appreciate the materials you sent. This has been an area of great concern and object of my intercession for years now. It is so encouraging to know thta God is working so wonderously in the earth now. I do certainly agree with you that the great need now is intercessory prayer. God is truly moving in the earth greatly.
I will follow up on some of the things you wrote.
Here is a fellow Christian who has the same burden you do to see the Muslim world come to know Jesus as Lord. Here is the link. He has a newsletter but i cannot find the link. However, you will be able to tell from this iste what he is all about.

www.joelrosenberg.com

He is a journalist, a Jewish believer who has a great burden for the Arab world as well as seeing Israel prosper.

Bless you,
Grace

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Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today,and forever. Hebrews 13:8

The Lord is still interested in our lives today; the same way when He was interested with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the old biblical times many, many generations ago. I would like to share with you some concrete evidences first from my other post (Supernatural Encounters) that God still operates in the lives of men and nations so that people of all races would come to know Him for His second coming is at the door. The Lord is still talking to us in our modern times and manifesting Himself in visions, dreams, and even in actual appearances worldwide. I wanted some assurances, too, like you, hzchoice, if there are others besides me who are experiencing some miracles and supernatural encounters with Jesus thru dreams, visions, and in other ways. It started in March of 1983 when God directed my attention to Psalm 37. I was busy with my business in the financial world since 1978. Although my life revolved around my family, workshops/seminars, clients services, social gatherings; my spiritual life was zero for I didn't have a deeper relationship with God in the essence of not putting Him first and searching the kingdom of God before anything else. I did not truly know Him actually yet not until I started searching for some spiritual truths. And to continue with Psalm 37, the strange thing was that the bookmark went to Psalm 37 several times for three consecutive weeks everytime I opened the book and nobody was using my bible except me and I was starting to wonder especially on the third week for who could have been putting the bookmark. I must have read that particular psalm for more than a hundred times for I wanted to know what God was trying to tell me until the Holy Spirit started talking to me thru thought communications. He directed my attention to Psalm 37:4. "Delight thyself also in the Lord; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart." This verse taught me that He is my loving Father and that I am His child and He filled the place of my own father who died when I was 17 yrs old for I fretted so much when I lost him. God taught me to trust in Him for he is the provider of my needs. "Trust in the Lord, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed. Psalm 37:3. I was watching a TV ministry in the late '90s and a lady was giving a testimony that God directed her to Psalm 37:4 for her blessings and that God is about to change her life. This gave me more affirmation of my experience with Psalm 37. I have shared this Psalm 37 to a lot of people to meditate on it for financial and miraculous breakthroughs in their lives. Some men of God who I never met in person write to me now and then and confirmed that people are being
blessed by just their associations with me. I took it as a flattery at first, but then I have been truly and seriously desiring and asking God to use me as a blessing to so many people. At first I was amazed when my clients/friends even people who I have not seen personally but were connected somehow with people that I know started telling me of their blessings of being able to buy a new car, houses, spiritual and physical healings.

My first vision happened in September of 1983. I was inside a church
one Saturday morning and muttered to myself thanking the Lord for accepting me in His house(church) for my life had been likened to the life
of the prodigal son away from the Father(God) busy with the cares of the world not knowing that He was waiting for me until I am ready to go home to Him with humility for accepting His Love and to change and transform me
by removing the callousness of my character. And when I said this, I became so light as if a heavy object came out of my shoulder ( "Come unto me you heavy laden for my yoke is easy") There were no people inside the church yet for I was early) There was a criss-crossing of lights also inside the church. Above the pulpit, I saw faces of people, old and young floating
above wearing some kind of aquamarine robes. I implored the Holy Spirit for the meaning of this vision and after 5 years, He told me(thought communication) that those are the ones to be baptized. Truly, there were so many baptisms in those years.

Abiding in His Words for many years, I found out that I fell in love with the beauty of the character of Jesus and that I wanted to be like Him. God gave me a deeper depth of kindness,understanding, compassion and love for others irregardless of their races, color and creed and made possible by the fruit of the Holy Spirit imparting in me His divine love and for this, He gave me the gift and power of healing, also.

I heard the voice of God in the later part of 1985 saying that I would be able to buy a house. I saw the house in December of 1985 and closed the sale
and moved in by May of 1986. To this day I keep telling to people that my
house is a gift from the Lord and call it the Lord's house. In my master bedroom, I have seven pictures of Jesus. I have seen the Lord for several times. He came to me as a bright yellow light in my bedroom like how Daniel in the Old Testament saw Him. He appeared to me as the stature and look of a Greek prince with a sword in my bedroom also. In 1994, He was standing so tall with yellow bright lights coming out of His two eyes in front of me as I was sitting in my loveseat in the livingroom watching TV. I could sense His wrath against the world because of its wickedness.

The bible say that the Holy Spirit is our teacher. And so, I desired and
and kept asking the Holy Spirit to teach me with knowledge and wisdom
to understand the Words Of God. One morning at 10:00 a.m.in 1997 as I was doing my regular praying in the morning, I found myself going up to heaven but landed first on a cloud with a gate and in front of it was an old man with white hair, wearing a long white robe with a sash in the waistline
opening the gate for me. Up to now I could still see the old man's hand
opening the gate. I went up there not as an adult but could see myself as a young child with only a white piece of cloth covering my
waistline going up to heaven. " Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven." Mathew 18:3,4.

As I was ascending to heaven, I saw other planets with bright lights.
Maybe there are other inhabitants in the other planets of the universe.
Everything that God wanted us to know are all written in the Holy Words
of the Old and New Testament of the Bible 2000 years ago but it says
also that there are things that God had withheld from men's knowledge
until the time will come when everything will be revealed. In a little while
I saw myself standing inside a massive building. In front of me was an
angel, about 9ft to 10 ft tall, and the body was all gold and holding unto a sword and was standing about a foot or more above the floor of the hallway.
I found out later in the book of Ezekiel, that there is an angel, all gold
that is guarding the holiest place in heaven.

As I was standing in that hallway, a young man with a shoulder length
hair and wearing a long white robe summoned me to go inside a room.
Two elderly men came in and brought with them each holding a scroll
with shiny wooden handle. We sat down and read. I don't know
how long but after that I found myself as an adult instead of that
of the young child who came in at first. My understanding with this
is that the Lord allowed me as being in the level of a child first with my understanding of the bible and reached my level of spritual maturity
when I went out of the room as an adult with long white robe
and flying out of the big and wide window of that room. As I was flying
away further, I looked down upon the ground and it was covered
with grass so green and there was a tree and beside it were children
with long white robes. Before, I flew away from that place, I noticed
that the smallest and youngest child was looking at me intently and
after that I found myself still in that praying position inside my room.
After several years, when my grandchild was born. I noticed that her
face is the same as the face of the youngest child that I saw in heaven.
Again, I was watching a TV and a grandmother was telling her experience of
also seeing her grand daughter with the exact face in her dream before the grandchild was born. My grandchild had seen and angel two times in my house and the last appearance that I know of was a visitation of Jesus and angel in my house also when she was in kindergarten. She had been
writing letters to God ever since she learned how to read and write
without anyone telling her and always singing while at home like and angel.

I have seen Jesus face with a chestnut(brown) hair, shoulder length,
and with a moustache. Other people told me also that this is how they have seen Jesus when He appeared to them. Since I have had so many supernatural and miraculous experiences, I would like to add that for this year 2 girls who were in a coma, one with a lupus and the other involved
in a car accident are now living with an almost normal life. The Lord allowed me to pray for them and he honored it and heal them. To date 4 cases
who were in a coma were healed, with the other 2 in the past several years ago, several with cancer, a heart problem and another with a diabetes. Another with a demon possessed client and now she is ever thankfull and singing for Jesus.

After several months passed after I went to heaven, the Lord directed me
into the book of JOEL, chapter 2 verses 23-32. It talk about the former and latter rain which is about the pouring of the Holy Spirit in the time of
Pentecost when the disciples and the people found themeselves talking in foreign languages and healing people. We are now living in the End Times
or Last Days and God is pouring His Spirit upon all flesh ( people from
different countries gifted with supernatural gifts from the Holy Spirit)
and those people from all races and creed comprised the great army of
God placed in the different sectors of life: economics and finance, education,
government (political) religion, and the entertainment industry and God will do great things before His second coming.

Dear hzchoice,
Many thanks for sharing Joel Rosenberg website. I am also in correspondence with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.
Compassion Ministry for Terry Law. His ministry is centered more or less
in Russia, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, India, Indonesia and other countries. They have many supernatural encounters with angels protecting them from those dangerous countries. ADRA with a mission to help poor people , families with children in other countries and relief projects for countries affected by natural disasters. and other different faith ministries with the agenda to help people for they are inline with the prophecy from the book of JOEL.

God bless!!!

Dear Skylark58,
I truly thank you for your relating your personal experiences with the Word of God, both in person and in the written word.
Incidentally, would you send me the exact URL for the pages you mentioned in your original forum. I could not access them with the info I had.
Yes, God is truly moving in a tremendous way in this day preceding His coming (appearance) and He will appear to those who are "eagerly awaiting" His coming.
The purpose of reading, experiencing and absorbing His written word is to make us more mature in our ministry to the downtrodden and hopeless of the earth. Maturity comes by eating meat, not pap.
If you cannot access the message from Joel Rosenberg's site which reports about God's moving in the Muslim world, let me know and I can fax it to you. It is truly amazing.
For at least two years I have been led to pray that the principalities and powers that have control in the Arab world will be deposed (not talking about the ruling powers, you understand?). Especially in Iraq. I have also been praying that when these people who are really seeking God go on their knees to seek their concept of God, that the true God reaches through and reveals Himself to them. This seems to be happening according to your accounts.
Again thank you for relating your personal encounters with the written word of God. I will be contacting you by PM when I have pulled things together later.

Blessings,
Grace

Hi to all on this post;

I thought you might like to hear my experience which is only the tip of the iceberg for me personally in my own life as a spiritual person. You might like to note others comments along the way. I would be interested in any feedback, regarding my situation. Thanking you for your attention.

Kimlyn.

To Skylark58;

The purpose of reading, experiencing and absorbing His written word is to make us more mature in our ministry to the downtrodden and hopeless of the earth. Maturity comes by eating meat, not pap.

Blessings Grace



From : kimlyn
To : Manoo
Date : 2005-11-19 16:31
Title : Re: Crossroads
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Greetings Kimlyn,

It has been great conversing with you about "the faith". If you don't mind, can you please send me your "bitter Christian experience". I would love to learn how and why you are going down the road you are traveling with such boldness and certainty.
I will do the same, if you are interested:-)

Kind regards.

Matt.

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HI again Matt;


Below is a basic rundown of my situation/ experience.
There is a lot more that could be added, but it probably wouldn't mean much to most. I was in Christianity for about 30 plus years; and now gone to the occult.

Just between you and me, its not the individuals I have an issue with, as I don't even know them beyond the few words of exchange. I do have issues with the way some individuals handle their beliefs in that many are closed minded toward other views and see outsiders as satanic simply because they disagree. Naturally this close mindedness only breeds anguish or frustration when self righteousness creeps in.

Unfortunately this mindset starts back in the beliefs gleened from scripture. If christians could see the damage and psychological casualties caused by religion based on scripture, then I'm sure the world would be a different place. Likewise too, with Muslims and the Koran and many other holy books.

I was raised as a toddler as a Jehovah's Witness for the first thirty years of my life. I was fully immersed in water for baptism at 14 the youngest in my congregation of about 200 persons. My father was very active as a Witness as was my mother and both were looked up to in the congregation as spiritually strong publishers. [ A publisher is one who goes from house to house preaching.] During the 1980's I amased probably the biggest collection of Jehovah's Witness books in Australia, outside Headquarters in Ingleburn NSW. In time I started to find many of the doctrines to be flawed and in error. This resulted in me getting so sick I nearly ended up in hospital and was unable to hardly walk for months. Because of the situation I could not talk about it to anyone as the family would be shunned by the witnesses. MY first wife at the time also was going through many similar dramas. In 1989 I was Disfellowshipped for Apostatsy and as a result was shunned or cut off from the congregation. Nothing you can do will allow you to get back in as the Watchchtower Society marks you for life. The doctrine I had the main issue with was the neobabylonian Bible Chronology of the 70 weeks of years in Daniel and the dates related of 607 BCE and 1914 AD. Questioning this doctrine called into question the holy spirit on the faithful and discreet Slave Class. These are the ones who channel the spirit for writing the articles into the watchtower magazine. Of course the Witnesses claim thay are the ONLY one and ONLY true religion and all others are satanic. You have to be in an organization in order to be saved "scriptually" - so they teach.

After I was excomunicated My wife and I joined another Christian church called the Church of the sacred Heart of Maitreyia. This small group charged tites to receive the holy spirit. I had issues with that doctrinally as it was free in the Witnesses and now I had to pay for it. Before all this happened I was baptised and the first person in Austrlai to have Ananad tara Shan burn the pentagram into my AURA at my baptism. In this church they channeled the holy spirit the Christ consciousness and the 12 master archangels as well as the ascended *******.
Lord Maitreyia is the modern name for Jesus.

In time my wife left me as a result of docrtrinal issues and went off with a member of the Maitreyia church. They took my 6yo daughter into hiding for 6 months and I was unable to find her for access. The solicitor for the family court supporting my wife was a chrurch member so the situatuion was biased from day one. I could not fight the church as I simply didin't have the money.

After all this - I started to study other outside beliefs as the christian understandings, were certainly not helping my life. I quickly learn't from the spirits, that Jesus is a vampiric force which eats souls and that love is the bait used to catch the unaware. I also learn't that Jesus teaches cannabalism and blood drinking in scripture with the eating of his flesh and the drinking of his blood at the last supper. Yet Jehovah forbids the eating of Blood in Genesis 9:4 & 5 to Noah.
Why because blood drinking is an occultic proctice jesus was teaching those going to heaven to carry on with. Blood drinking apparently gives one everlasting life, it increases the life span. Befpre the flood it was allowed and HUMAN LIFE WAS MANY HUNDREDS OF YEARS IN LENGTH. After the flood it dropped to 120 years and blood was not allowed to be eaten. But jesus taught this to his disciples, It is vampirism feeding on ones blood ( christ's) and flesh ( christ's) as a sustaining food source.

I also learn't that these types of behaviour are characteristic to spirit forces called Theocrats. Ironically - Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be the ONLY TRUE THEOCRACY. In 1993 I read a book a self published called - WAR IN HEAVEN. IT was that book that gave me the experience, which shocked me so greatly - I was sick for 3 days, unable to get out of bed. The sickness was the realization that religion and especially Christianity is a food chain and program where spirits feed on human souls in order to control and grow strong. the more converts the stronger the spirits. Jesus is no different.

So with that I started to study the origins of Yahweh or Jehovah; and found with some research that he is an elder god and originally theoon god. He also is a theocrat in that he feeds on souls and brings them into his care to feast on. He was the same god the aztecs use to worship and cut out peoples hearts and drink theri blood. He posess as GOD or the supreme being and is the same god behind the Jews and the muslims. He sets up an agenda to get the two religious sides to fight and in time kill each other. Ie terrorism is a part of his plan. He is man's creator and has created man as a food supply to feed off for the gods.

Some of this material is only explained in ancient texts which predate christianity and opens the way up for much discussion. Freemasons are aware of some of this as well as certain occultic groups but as respects christians and more well known religions I doubt it.

When leaving the witnesses my family went through literal hell with them simply because I questioned their doctrines. Now I am an outsider and shunned by all who knew me as a result. I still have some family in it who haven't spoken to me for years. Shunning is a biblical teaching which makes Christian Love CONDITIONAL. Just as God's grace is conditional - if you don't do as he says in the bible you will die at Armeggeddon or burn in Gehenna. Plenty of scriptures can be quoted to support this teaching.

Adding to this - I recently lost a business a couple years after a bitter 2nd marriage breakup with my 2nd ex-wife. No Christian kindess and understanding was shown here, I was taken to the cleaners by the solicitors and her - loosing my home and the chance to see my kids.

As for the business loss last year, I lost over a quarter of a million dollars( family inheritance ) and my means to make an income; because the Loving Christian person who owned the business, jiggled the computer and the books. I latter learned he was an active member of 'The Christian Businessman's Association' in Queensland, Australia where I live. I was expecting a n honest sale of the business and found he was paying cash in hand and lieing by not telling us every thing we needed to know about the business. We can't take legal action because we are now bankrupt.

If you not a Christian your seen as somebody to rip off and treated as an outcast. I feel morally I should be compensated by Jehovah God and Christians in particular, for the damage done in my personal life. Until that happens I see no genuine love for fellow man. Many sympathize but few put the dollars on the table to back up their words. [ Don't take this as a request for money because it's not - people simple don't do that to outsiders.]

Because of this situation; I have been able to join PIPS to try and finacially re-stablish ourselves - but as usual for my partner and I - the system fell flat on the day of our account maturing in August 2005.

As for my partner, she too is hurt by Christianity because her brother child molested her when she was 8-12 and then joined the Christian Revival Church to avoid confrontation, and now shunns her family as they are seen as outsiders. Yes they talk in tongues and have the spirit; like many christians claim. When he is confronted about it he says "he is forgiven by Jesus and that he has paid his debt". Christians hide behind Jesus when it suits and that hurts and shows me that Jesus allows it as he does nothing to uintrevene and get justice for the victim.

I confronted the Jehovah's Witnesess about the same issue of Child Motestation and they all sheepishly say "I no nothing" yet there is a whole website devoted to it and other Jehovah's Witness abuse at www.silentlambs.org Its worth checking out for these christians have a lot to answer for.

I can go on for pages with similar experiences about christianity in my own life as the Jehovah's Wiytnesses have a lot to answer for and hide behind "Human imperfection" as a means of justifying their actions. And their Watchtower Society lies in court when it is all challenged - destroying files from the police and useing theocratic War strategy as written about in their 1957 Watchtower. "Theocratic War Stategy" is all about Lieing to authorities to protect the organization and the Elders of the congregation. You can look it up on the web with a search engine.

When I see parliment in Canberra, Australia; pray to God before parliment sits; and then they screw us with new terrorist laws and Industrial relations policies and so forth, simply to destroy our quality of life. This to me is a part of God's real agenda and reason for inaction. He is generating a food supply by creating ALLOWING conflict to continue. He is obviously behind it all and the reason I support satan's perspective on things. God has done nothing to swing me the other way. Look at Genesis 11:7 where it WAS GOD - This Jehovah - which confused man's languages and has allowed the confusion to reign for millenia because it causes coonfusion misunderstandings and wars. A potential food supply for the gods, through man's conflicts. No wonder Nimrod was amighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah. He could see right through the agenda and stood up to him.

Adding to this on another level our beloved George Bush is a TRUE Born-Again Christian, representing al,l you Christians; and yet a busnessman to Bin Laden and the Haliburton "Military" Company in the USA. Also a previous member of the secret order of 'Skull and Bones Society' - who is doing a lot of damage to the world because of his biggoted self righteousness as a Bible bashing Born Again Christian. He is a Christian warmonger - just like his god Jehovah, which is effecting all of us as a result. He won't let the Muslims live their own faith and as a result I feel for the Muslims - dispite their extreme nature.

The USA is a Christian Country and it barges into peoples homes tortures them steals there oil and then says its Gods chosen natation. It supports Israel and promotes Yahweh's 'Protocols of Zion' which are all about screwing the Goyim cattle populace and bringing in the NEW WORLD ORDER.

So what are we going to do about it? If we wait on God to act-we'll be waiting a very long time. If he can't fix my issues he won't care enough about the world.

To me - God's inaction is sanctioning evil in our world and making himself an accessory to the crimes against humanity. That makes him guilty and irreprehensible, and as bad, if not worse, than the those carry out the crimes because he has the power to act and won't. If he can't act then he is weak and useless - so why should anyone waste time worshipping a weak god. He opens himself right up toward being blasphemed and abused.

On that basis I feel totally justified in my anger and sympathetic towards having Nimrod's attitude - "as a mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah" and Adolf Hitler exterminating God's Chosen race. I am also totally sympathetic toward the comming Antichrist as well and would be first in the Que, to take on the mark of the beast; as quickly as I could. Anything to not be part of god's holy people.

Since I have left the witnesses I have studied Satanism in depth as well as I see a lot of merit in the satanic philosophy. I have done this because the Chrisytain side has led so bazdly I simply can't believe a word they say. Satan is blamed for literally everything and so to me - there are two sides to every story. Unfortunately Christians have lost me and made a bitter enemy as a result becuse they have betrayed my trust and Lied about having the truth. To nme lieing is satanic and so if christians lie that makes them satanic including their god who allows it.

Lieing is supported in the bible when you see cases like Rahab the Harlot lieing about the spys in jerica before its destruction and yet she was the only one saved. That tells me the bible supports and saves liars because you have ONE VALID CASE.
If god was perfect he wouldn't allow even ONE CASE to be supporting such. Firey gehenna is also supported when you see Jehovah wants to iflict fear in his people. Behave or you will die.

If Christians use the bible to back their "God ordained" behaviour - then it's the bible that has the problem; which directly leads back to Jehovah God as it's authour, to blame and hold accountable. Hence my AXE to grind with God is great "just like Nimrod a mighty hunter in opposition to the Lord".

And if God is not to blame - he has left himself wide open for abusive biblical interpretation by others; who claim to represent him; which is defaming his supposed good character. Whichever way - he has an issue to settle which is of his own making.

Since leaqving the church I have studied the occult very deeply and found its nothing like what the churches claim. its not all satan and demons. Duet 18 tells one to not get involved with the occult and since Jehovah said it to the Israelites in Moses time I beleive he did this so people could not find out the truth on a matter so easily. He kept them in the dark and fed them bull****. This I have proven for myself many times over. Just another little reason to not have faith and trust in him or Christ.

If at the end, all in all; I get shunned and avoided for expressing this view, then that to me validates everything I have said so far - proving my case. It certainly won't win friends and influence people. But for me make a very bitter enemy. God has crossed the wrong person with me.

I can't have a relationship with any God, or Christ, who lies and can't be trusted. So until I am convinced otherwise -
:flame: I'd prefer to burn in hell :flame: - at least I won't be controlled by them.

So simply that is my case.

Best of Luck with your faith. Regards
Kimbal

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To : Manoo
Date : 2005-11-20 21:19
Title : Re: Crossroads
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Originally Posted by Manoo

Wow, I totally understand why you believe the way you do. What can I say? All I know that everything that you believed about God from day one has been a lie. I know anything I would have to say to you, what I believe, you would dissmiss, because you have a total different understanding about that subject. The term "christians" is so widley used in a lot of cults and cultures that is really does not describe it's original origin. I must admit I had no idea that the JW's would use that term to describe themselves. I thank you so much for sharing your life with me, it has been a real eye opener for me. It was really saddend me to see all the crap you have gone and are going through, I am praying for you that you will see that God truley does love you and from the begining of time has set in place a plan for redemption for you. This plan was not man made with man made ideas and institutions.
God has always loved you, it was nothing you have done that seperates you from Him. It was because we were born with sin. But it's the decision of recieveing salvation that we can make it right.
I'II send you soon my story, but because you are such a learned man check out this web site. I'd like to know what you think.
http://wayofthemaster.com
Anyway, I'II chat to you soon:-)

Matt.

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Hi Matt;

Many thanks for your sympathy and support. Unfortunately its hard to put such a complex situation across to others in a few words - if at all. I will check then site you suggested out in the next day or so and get back to you. Please pass my story onto others who seem unaware of why I am the way I am. I get the impression Kevo and Denim don't see it as you do. Finally - I have no personal animosity with any body I have spoken too in a personal way - so if you could bearthat in mind it would be appreciated. My drama's do go much deeper than explained but you have the idea.

Regards
Kimbal Summers ( kimlyn )

Hi,

With all due respect, can you also pray that the ruling powers who are guilty for the following acts of barbarism be deposed? unfortunately in this case, they are not arabs or "principalities and powers that have control in the Arab world" but people who claim to be the defenders of human rights and believers in the "real" god. they may be from the USA. just maybe.

i trust that since you are a sincere christian and a god fearing person, you are against all forms of oppressions irrespective of their race?

http://www.benjaminforiraq.org/contaminazioneitaly.htm
http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/VISIE...formities.html

Thanks in advance

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Dear Skylark58,

For at least two years I have been led to pray that the principalities and powers that have control in the Arab world will be deposed (not talking about the ruling powers, you understand?). Especially in Iraq. I have also been praying that when these people who are really seeking God go on their knees to seek their concept of God, that the true God reaches through and reveals Himself to them. This seems to be happening according to your accounts.
Again thank you for relating your personal encounters with the written word of God. I will be contacting you by PM when I have pulled things together later.

Blessings,
Grace

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Dear Skylark58,


"I have also been praying that when these people who are really seeking God go on their knees to seek their concept of God, that the true God reaches through and reveals Himself to them."

Blessings,
Grace

And I am sorry to shake your beliefs but the God the Muslims worship - ALLAH as the moon God, is the same God you Christians worship - namely Yahweh, or Jehovah. He in the Sumerian/ Akkadian culture was known as Nanna-Sin or simply SIN. Mount Sin or Sinia is his mountain, with which he revealed himself to Moses with the comandments.
So Abraham's God - Jehovah is the same God of Ishmael and Hagar( by which the Arab Nations descended ) and the God of ISRAEL ( By WHICH THE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS CAME FROM ) through Sarah and Isaac. So asking this God to reveal himself has now been done. He is on Both sides which might tell you about his character and nature. :eek: As you asked I felt impelled by the Spirit to tell you all what my research has found out about the God I use to worship.

Regards
Kimlyn.

Dear Kimlyn,
I certainly can't blame you for feeling the way you do. You have had the misfortune to encounter just about everything anti-Christian that poses as Christian. I have seen this so much it breaks my heart, just as I know it breaks God's heart. But the problem is that God will not cross our will. That is the one thing He will not do. If we decide to self-destruct He is grieved but will not interfere. In other words, we're the boss. If He forced us to change our thinking, we'd be robots. Who wants that?
I do thank you for sharing your personal experience with me. I'm a very simple person, not given to speculating about these things. My purpose was to compile testimonies of those who had met God through reading the Scriptures in order to be a blessing and encouragment to my fellow Christians. But I do thank you nonetheless for our input.

Keep in touch, please.

hzchoice

Here is the URL for the supernatural encounters.

http://www.elijahlist.com/words/index.html?offset=20

Click on Nov 11, 2005 article by James Goll.

God bless you for you are a good prayer warrior. Please
continue interceding for the Muslims and others for your prayers have been heard and nothing is hidden from God. Fervent prayers with a contrite
heart availeth much for they surely move the mighty Spirit of the Lord.

Take care,
skylark58

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Dear Kimlyn,
i merely am asking for personal experiences from those who have had an encounter with God in healing, comfort, guidance, etc. to give an account of those.
I'm sure there are other threads where you can post controversial arguments and I am not denying you that. I just want to keep this one for the original purpose for which I started it.

Thank you and God bless,
Grace

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I very seldom post anything but here goes... I have read an ebook called "God speaks to a farmer"

If you want to read this very short ebook here is the link to the book
http://hand2handministry.com/rmr/GSF.exe

this has really changed my thinking and the author quotes the bible as support for his experences... also In 40 years i have never heard any of this in church.

miles2c

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Hi all; :smile:

I might like to add about supernatural encounters. Did you Know The prophet Daniel was a Magician. :eek: His name was Beltashazzsar which means "Lord of the Sun".

In Daniel 4:4-9; he was known as the HEAD of the Magic practicing priests of Babylon. He was able to cast and uncast spells such as in untying knots ( a form of witchcraft today ). A wise person is a witch or if a male like Daniel a warlock. The word witch means wise one.He would not be able to be a head magician as far as the king is concerned if he could nopt weild any magical power. He was a prophet - in that he could interpret dreams ( a Mantis ) and predict the future ( a Seer ).

Daniel 4: 4-9 says -

4 “I, Nebuchadnezzar, happened to be at ease” in my house and flourishing in my palace.” 5 There was a dream that I beheld, and it began to make me afraid. And there were mental images upon my bed and visions of my head that began to frighten me. 6 And from me an order was being put through to bring in before me all the wise men of Babylon, that they might make known to me the very interpretation of the dream.’
7 “At that time the magic-practicing priests, the conjurers, the Chalde’ans and the astrologers” were entering; and I was saying before them what the dream was, but its interpretation they were not making known to me. 8 And at last there came in before me Daniel, whose name is Belteshaz’zar according to the name of my god and in whom there is the spirit of the holy gods; and before him I said what the dream was:
9 “0 Bel•teshaz’zar the chief of the magic-practicing priests, because I myself well know that the spirit of the holy gods is in you’ and that there is no secret at all that is troubling you, tell the visions of my dream that I have beheld and its interpretation.”

And again in Chapter 5:7-13 it says;

7 The king was calling out loudly to bring in the conjurers, the Chal•de’ans and the astrologers. The king was an swering and saying to the wise men of Babylon: “Any man that will read this writing and show me its very interpretation, with purple he will be clothed, with a necklace of gold about his neck, and as the third one in the kingdom he will rule.”
8 At that time all the wise men of the king were coming in, but they were not competent enough to read the writing itself or to make known to the king the interpretation. 9 Consequently King Belshaz’zar was very much frightened and his complexion was changing within him; and his grandees were perplexed.10 As regards the queen, because of the words of the king and his grandees she entered right into the banqueting hall. The queen answered and said: “0 king, keep living even to times indefinite.” Do not let your thoughts frighten you, nor let your complexion be changed. 11 There exists a capable man in your kingdom in whom there is the spirit of holy gods; and in the days of your father illumination and insight and wisdom like the wisdom of gods were found in him, and King Nebunez’zar your father himself set him up as chief of the magic-practicing priests, the conjurers, the Chalde’ans [ the astrologers ] your father, O king; 12 forasmuch as an extraordinary spirit and knowledge and insight to interpret dreams and the explanation of riddles and the untying of knots had been found in him, in Daniel, whom the king himself named Belte.shaz’zar. Now let Daniel himself be called, that he may show the very interpretation."

And so it makes me wonder why Daniel would allow himself to practice such Occultic arts when Dueteronomy 18:9-14 clearly states that those under the law should not practice magic or any form of Divination ? The text states:

9 “When you are entered into the land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not learn to do according to the detestable things of those nations.’ 10 There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic’ or any one who looks for omens” or a sorcerer,” 11 or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events, or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12 For everybody doing these things is something detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable things Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you. 13 You should prove yourself faultless with Jehovah your God.14 ‘For these nations whom you are dispossessing used to listen to those practicing magic and to those who divine; but as for you, Jehovah your God has not given you anything like this.

Daniel is guilty of all of the highligted parts in Dueteronomy 18. Technically Jehovah should put him to death for violation of the mosaic law. Jesus even quoted Daniel in Matthew 24:15; so he had respect for his writings and powers of prediction.

As Jesus could raise the dead with Lazurus ( necromancy or ressurection ) walk on water( levitation )in front of his disciples, turn water into wine at a wedding feast ( transmutation ), calm the storms ( weather control ) just like David Copperfeild, Cris Angel and David Blaine can today - then in reality Jesus is a Warlock just like Daniel and our modern day magicians. Moses, too, is the same as he can perform divination or turn his rod into a snake, or part the red sea. They were all magicians with varioaus abilities. As I have done a lot of research into this area, and to save the time wasters - I do not accept the flawed reasoning that the ancient prophets were using God's spirit and a magician uses the Devil's spirit - I'm sorry that's garbage. I know better than that.

Interested in your comments. :waiting: May God Bless;
Kimlyn

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Good grief. I see you are at misleading the masses again. One thing you are very good at doing is casting the seeds of doubt in the mind of would be Christians.

I notice that in EVERY one of your posts you slander Christianity but you yourself offer nothing better. In example you say, "dont drink that water", but you don't have anything better for anyone to drink. Your goal is clear. Oppose God.

Your interpretations are sooo far from the truth its almost laughable. You accuse the Prophet Daniel "whose ability to interpret dreams was God given" with being a magician? lol First off Daniel is called "Belteshazzar" by [b]Nebuchadnezzar{/b] and not of his own accord. You see, Nebuchadnezzar believed in MANY Gods and he just rolled any new Gods into the stew. If you remember the account of the three Hebrew boys, Nebuchadnezzar ALSO gave THEM names based on his false Gods.

Stop spreading your apostasy around trying to exalt yourself. Your day will come.

I can only stress that in order to achieve salvation one MUST go to Gods word the Bible and get HIS viewpoint on matters.

If you are in Church... and your pastor, preacher, deacon or whoever does not use the Bible but just talks out of his head... you need to keep looking for true worship.

I've seen so many TV evangelists that speak the doctrines of men and not Gods word at all. They grab their microphones before they get their Bibles... IF they even get the Bible at all.

People are scattered about like lost sheep. Thirsting for spiritual food but finding none. Largely in part from "Christendom", the world empire of false religion. Having accurate knowledge of the scriptures is more important than just knowing them.

I have had first hand experience with living by the scripture. The scripture reads or paraphrased is "For we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to His purpose" (Romans 8:28).

This is a scripture that I have lived and breathed since March of 2000. This was the time that I found out that my children had been molested by a neighbor that was barely an adult himself. This scripture has been my stronghold in making sense of the unsenseable, and truly what kept me from doing something that I would have regretted for the rest of my life.

At the time, I didn' t understand or care to embrace what the reason could be but I still held to the fact that there was a reason as I believe that nothing is conincidence "There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 3What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the ear in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the roofs" Luke 12.

God Bless!

Margie

Thank you so much Marji for that testimonial. That is exactly what I wanted. I certainly did not want to start any arguments.

I would like to apologize for seemingly neglecting your posts in the thread. They moved it from my original place and I thought they had deleted it.

Thank you Skylark for your post. It was truly inspiring and just what I wanted.

One last person I would like to speak with here is Kimlyn (hope I spelled that right). I would like to contact you again by PM but they have disabled it for a while. If I gave you my email address I would appreciate your writing me.
The things I said to you in my last PM to you still hold true. Do not feel that I hate you or hold anything against you. I think of you so often and hope we can get in touch again.

Blessings to all,
hzchoice

To Mr Deedub ONLY -

As for what I have to offer :rant: - Firstly do some home work and stop reading the demonic croakings of 'The faithful and discreet slave' who give rotten 'meat in due season'. As for Daniel again do your research he was magician The New World ( ORDER ) Translation even says so in Daniel chapters 4 and 5. I've staudied in depth babylonian magick and Daniel was in
all respects a warlock as was Jesus. The interpretaion of a warlock is amale witch or male wise one. The faithful and wise servant calss are inspired by holy spirit nmaking them white witches, or wise ones. As I say do your research and stop spurning those you know nothing about. I am a practicing warlock myself.

I was raised a Jehovah's Witness for 30 years and hate them to the core of my soul, for the lies and deceit they have promoted and carried out in the name of God. The damage they have done to my family and to other friends of mine is unforgivable. I'd worship Adolf Hitler before I bowed before your god - Jehovah. You people don't deserve life and the right to being on this earth - in this world or that to come. Your the type of religion that deserves to be exterminated as a vile abortion of the human race.

I know more about the inside goings on of the Governing Body, and the mechanics of the Watchtower Society and its spiritual operations, than you will ever know. What's more - I was at one time called by the holy spirit in 1983 to be of the anoited class, but have spurned it to your god's very face. That makes me technically of 'the evil slave class' doesn't it ? Full of satanic bile and a spurning abhorance, for all that is holy and righteous as your christian religion sees it.

As for Christianity and I have something far better to offer than God. I don't have any need to offer anything to anyone. But if I do - it is Satan The Devil - as he is the True God and not your vile Jehovah. I can offer you the writings of the black earth and the old cpovenat of the ancient ones and the elder gods - but you wouldn't understand such sacred teachings as its beyond your capacity. Go read the Enuma Enlish you fool - the babylonian genesis as recorded in the book ancent and near eastern texts by pritchard 1955. Or The Magan Text ( a sumerised Enuma Enlish account) as recored in the book black book - The Necronomican. It was Satan who said is it for nothing that man serves god. Skin in behlf of skin man serves god for what he can get out of him. You only Love and serve your Jehovah because of your selfish desire for everlasting life and your fear of death. YOU are scared to die its that simple. If you are not - blaspheme the holy spirit now and renounce your blind faith; thereby shutting my mouth awnd proving the devil a liar. Because you are to scared to renounce your blind faith in Jehovah, you have proven the devil correct in his claim - that you serve your god out of fear of death and the selfish drive for life. If Jehovah took that gift away you'd leave "the truth" tomorrow, like a rat leaving a sinking ship. Because of that selfish drive you don't deserve the gift of life.
Just like Nimrod I am a mighty hunter in opposition to Your Jehovah, and The Watchtower Society you promote as his wife and spiritual mother. WHY because I can see its agenda and the damage the watchtower organization is doing to this earth such as holding shars in Rand cam and war weapons company , or becaoming amemeber of the UNited nations or fostering child molesters like former president Charles Taze Russell and former Governing body memeber Lyman Swingle.

The Witchtower Bable & Trict Society - as a book selling business and company are on top of my "to destroy" list, as they associate themselves with that Blasphemous name of Jehovah. The sanctity of Jehovah's name must be bought down. Go and show this to your Elders and Circuit Overseer and see if they don't cower before me, under Satan's attack. And to hell with you J.W people. You can't anwswer one question, I throw at you - unless you pull out your reasoning from the scriptures book and even then the answers are superficial. WHY because you don't have and never did hold the truth. My day will come when I see you in Hell, my Brother. :rant: Sincerly yours. :beer:
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Originally Posted by misterdeedub

Good grief. I see you are at misleading the masses again. One thing you are very good at doing is casting the seeds of doubt in the mind of would be Christians.

I notice that in EVERY one of your posts you slander Christianity but you yourself offer nothing better. In example you say, "dont drink that water", but you don't have anything better for anyone to drink. Your goal is clear. Oppose God.

Your interpretations are sooo far from the truth its almost laughable. You accuse the Prophet Daniel "whose ability to interpret dreams was God given" with being a magician? lol First off Daniel is called "Belteshazzar" by [b]Nebuchadnezzar{/b] and not of his own accord. You see, Nebuchadnezzar believed in MANY Gods and he just rolled any new Gods into the stew. If you remember the account of the three Hebrew boys, Nebuchadnezzar ALSO gave THEM names based on his false Gods.

Stop spreading your apostasy around trying to exalt yourself. Your day will come.

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To Mr Deedub ONLY -

As for what I have to offer :rant: - Firstly do some home work and stop reading the demonic croakings of 'The faithful and discreet slave' who give rotten 'meat in due season'. As for Daniel again do your research he was magician The New World ( ORDER ) Translation even says so - in Daniel chapters 4 and 5. As he could untie and interpret knots, that effectively made him a warlock. There is no other interpretation to it daniel was a warlock. A awrlock can use giods spirit and the devils. Spirit is like electricity it can create an lovely effect or it can electricute either way if you master the spirit your a witch or wise one. Even jesus was visited by warlocks or magi wise men of BABYLON. I've studied in depth Babylonian magick and Daniel was in all respects a warlock, as was Jesus.

The interpretaion of a warlock is 'a male witch' or 'a male wise one'. Study you word origins and etymology before you condemn. The faithful and wise servant calss are inspired by holy spirit making them technically white "witches", or "wise ones". As I say do your research and stop spurning those you know nothing about. I am a practicing warlock myself.

I was raised a Jehovah's Witness for 30 years and hate them to the core of my soul, for the lies and deceit they have promoted and carried out in the name of God. The damage they have done to my family and to other friends of mine is unforgivable. I'd worship Adolf Hitler before I bowed before your god - Jehovah. You people don't deserve life and the right to being on this earth - in this world or that to come. Your the type of religion that deserves to be exterminated as a vile abortion of the human race.

I know more about the inside goings on of the Governing Body, and the mechanics of the Watchtower Society and its spiritual operations, than you will ever know. What's more - I was at one time called by the holy spirit in 1983 to be of the anoited class, but have spurned it to your god's very face. That makes me technically of 'the evil slave class' doesn't it ? Full of satanic bile and a spurning abhorance, for all that is holy and righteous as your christian religion sees it.

As for Christianity and I have something far better to offer than God. I don't have any need to offer anything to anyone. But if I do - it is Satan The Devil - as he is the True God and not your vile Jehovah. I can offer you the writings of the black earth and the old cpovenat of the ancient ones and the elder gods - but you wouldn't understand such sacred teachings as its beyond your capacity. Go read the Enuma Enlish you fool - the babylonian genesis as recorded in the book ancent and near eastern texts by pritchard 1955. Or The Magan Text ( a sumerised Enuma Enlish account) as recored in the book black book - The Necronomican. It was Satan who said is it for nothing that man serves god. Skin in behlf of skin man serves god for what he can get out of him. You only Love and serve your Jehovah because of your selfish desire for everlasting life and your fear of death. YOU are scared to die its that simple. If you are not - blaspheme the holy spirit now and renounce your blind faith; thereby shutting my mouth awnd proving the devil a liar. Because you are to scared to renounce your blind faith in Jehovah, you have proven the devil correct in his claim - that you serve your god out of fear of death and the selfish drive for life. If Jehovah took that gift away you'd leave "the truth" tomorrow, like a rat leaving a sinking ship. Because of that selfish drive you don't deserve the gift of life.
Just like Nimrod I am a mighty hunter in opposition to Your Jehovah, and The Watchtower Society you promote as his wife and spiritual mother. WHY because I can see its agenda and the damage the watchtower organization is doing to this earth such as holding shars in Rand cam and war weapons company , or becaoming amemeber of the UNited nations or fostering child molesters like former president Charles Taze Russell and former Governing body memeber Lyman Swingle.

The Witchtower Bable & Trict Society - as a book selling business and company are on top of my "to destroy" list, as they associate themselves with that Blasphemous name of Jehovah. The sanctity of Jehovah's name must be bought down. Go and show this to your Elders and Circuit Overseer and see if they don't cower before me, under Satan's attack. And to hell with you J.W people. You can't anwswer one question, I throw at you - unless you pull out your reasoning from the scriptures book and even then the answers are superficial. WHY because you don't have and never did hold the truth. My day will come when I see you in Hell, my Brother. :rant: Sincerly yours. :beer:
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Originally Posted by misterdeedub

Good grief. I see you are at misleading the masses again. One thing you are very good at doing is casting the seeds of doubt in the mind of would be Christians.

I notice that in EVERY one of your posts you slander Christianity but you yourself offer nothing better. In example you say, "dont drink that water", but you don't have anything better for anyone to drink. Your goal is clear. Oppose God.

Your interpretations are sooo far from the truth its almost laughable. You accuse the Prophet Daniel "whose ability to interpret dreams was God given" with being a magician? lol First off Daniel is called "Belteshazzar" by [b]Nebuchadnezzar{/b] and not of his own accord. You see, Nebuchadnezzar believed in MANY Gods and he just rolled any new Gods into the stew. If you remember the account of the three Hebrew boys, Nebuchadnezzar ALSO gave THEM names based on his false Gods.

Stop spreading your apostasy around trying to exalt yourself. Your day will come.

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Originally Posted by kimlyn

Hi all; :smile:

I might like to add about supernatural encounters. Did you Know The prophet Daniel was a Magician. :eek: His name was Beltashazzsar which means "Lord of the Sun". Interested in your comments. :waiting: May God Bless;
Kimlyn

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I have asked you before to go back and re-read that - you said you would, clearly you have not. And you have chosen to twist the context to your own end.

AND - I'm not sure how you can say - May God bless - when you seem to claim you have better than God, whatever that may mean.

I can't have a relationship with any God, or Christ, who lies and can't be trusted. So until I am convinced otherwise -
I'd prefer to burn in hell - at least I won't be controlled by them.

So simply that is my case.


Hello Kimlyn,

Your above statement "So until I am convinced otherwise" opened the door for me to post. I first want to say that I love you and am very excited about the revelation you are going to find. You are a seeker and seekers find.

It makes me very mad that you have been hurt, used, abused and left for dead. The enemy of you soul, the father of all lies, succeeded in deceiving and driving you and your parents from the truth, thus placing you in a position for this abuse to take place.

Your parents will ultimately be held responsible. I do not tell you this to make you feel happy for their regrets, but to let you know that if we teach our children erroneously and this sends them to hell, then their blood will be on our hands. I know that you would not want your daughter to go to hell.Do you have other children? I pray that your parents see the light and find that Jesus paid their debt and receive forgiveness.

I do not know alot about the JWs, but have visited with them in my home on several occassions. I had no idea that they refer to themselves as Christians seeing as how they do not believe that Jesus is God. The last time they visited, they got very upset at me for a few different reasons:

1. I told them that Jesus is God and in His infinite Love for me, them and the world, that He, Himself, came to this earth to die for us. He gave all He had so we would not have to live in hell on this earth or after our bodies die, but be in His presence. But it is a choice we all have to make. He will not force anyone. And He is not a God of rules and regulations, that is why He had to send Jesus, because He knew that we can not keep up with all the law under the old covenant, but He is a God of Love. He clearly shows this in the two greatest commandments -- Love God with all your heart and Love your neighbor.

2. One of the young women would hang back and ask questions concerning my faith. She was so hungry for the truth.

3. The head publisher, as you said they are called, got very upset when I told her that it was not God's perfect will for anyone to be sick. That it was very displeasing to Him when we are sick and do not appropriate the Blood of Jesus. Jesus redeemed us from spiritual death, sickness and disease and poverty. God expects us to take advantage of all that Jesus has made available. Boy, did the darts come at me then.

From my encounters with those particular JWs, I believe that they do not have and know the truth as I know the truth. It seems that they want to be very controlling. I sensed no Love in them. Only a religious spirit.

I can see where you would think that Christianity is a falsehood. You have been exposed to religions that claim to be Christ based, but in fact are not. Christianity is not a religion or a set of rules. It is a heart condition. It is a state of being. God just wants to be with you.

Allow me to encourage you to keep seeking for the truth and the Love that you have a right to, because He said so. We all want unconditional Love. It is wonderful when we first realize that all we have to do is receive it. We don't have to work for it, earn it or deserve it. Just accept it. God's Love is a free gift. And nothing can seperate you from His Love. No matter what you have done or said. All is forgiven. He Loves you.

I pray that God bless you, cause all scales to fall from your eyes, give you His Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Jesus Christ and make you His very own. I ask you to come and be my brother in Christ. There is only light here, no darkness.

Thanks for listening,
Monica

Dear Monica,
I wrote in a private PM to Kimlyn almost the exact words you did in this letter. Thank you for the beautiful spirit of Christ that you exhibit here. I too have such an ache in my heart when I read of Kimlyn's experiences.

(See Kimlyn, there are real Christians out here who refuse to judge you). Hope you are making progress in your life!

hzchoice

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Originally Posted by hzchoice

Dear Monica,
I wrote in a private PM to Kimlyn almost the exact words you did in this letter. Thank you for the beautiful spirit of Christ that you exhibit here. I too have such an ache in my heart when I read of Kimlyn's experiences.

(See Kimlyn, there are real Christians out here who refuse to judge you). Hope you are making progress in your life!

hzchoice

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Dear hzchoice,

Thank you for your encouragement. We all need it, I need it.

It is so important that we as believers realize that God loves the sinner just as much as He loves the believer. So much that He died for them. There is no greater Love than that. We as believers should be growing into this same Love.

It feels really good to finally Love others. There was such an emptiness when I did not. That's right, just because one is born again does not automatically change the way they relate to others. That explains why so many Christians act so mean and hypocritical, worse than the world.

The Lord revealed to me through His Word and by His Spirit that my Love walk was very much lacking. Where it states that Jesus had compassion, the literal translation is that "His bowels yearned". We should continually be coming into this same place. Our bowels should be yearning to see the lost come to know Him, to see the captives set free!

What did I do to spark the developing of the Love in my heart? I began to confess out of my mouth the Love scriptures. It says in Romans 12:2... to not be conformed to this world, but be TRANSFORMED by the renewing of our minds to His Word.

How do we renew our minds?.......By studying and speaking His Word out of our mouths. Doing this will cause us to have faith (faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God) and to be transformed into what His Word says about us. Something wonderful happens when we hear God's Word coming out of our own mouths.

To take it a step further: It is not only by His Word, but by His Spirit that we are changed. In Jude 20-21 it says.... that by praying in the Holy Ghost, (praying in tongues), we will build up our most holy faith and keep ourselves in the Love of God.

When I began to pray more in the Holy Ghost, I noticed almost immediately that my Love for others grew immensely. Other wonderful changes have also come about suddenly: my son turned from drugs, my husband is now stepping into his rightful place as spiritual head of the family, there is great peace and joy in my home, and many more! The Glory is here!

Thanks for allowing me to share.

I AM PRAYING FOR YOU KIMLYN. BE EXPECTING THE GLORY!

In Him,
Monica