Thread: A Request To Christians Only

Originally Posted by hzchoice

Dear Kimlyn,
i merely am asking for personal experiences from those who have had an encounter with God in healing, comfort, guidance, etc. to give an account of those.
I'm sure there are other threads where you can post controversial arguments and I am not denying you that. I just want to keep this one for the original purpose for which I started it.

Thank you and God bless,
Grace

I very seldom post anything but here goes... I have read an ebook called "God speaks to a farmer"

If you want to read this very short ebook here is the link to the book
http://hand2handministry.com/rmr/GSF.exe

this has really changed my thinking and the author quotes the bible as support for his experences... also In 40 years i have never heard any of this in church.

miles2c

Originally Posted by kimlyn

Hi all;

I might like to add about supernatural encounters. Did you Know The prophet Daniel was a Magician. His name was Beltashazzsar which means "Lord of the Sun".

In Daniel 4:4-9; he was known as the HEAD of the Magic practicing priests of Babylon. He was able to cast and uncast spells such as in untying knots ( a form of witchcraft today ). A wise person is a witch or if a male like Daniel a warlock. The word witch means wise one.He would not be able to be a head magician as far as the king is concerned if he could nopt weild any magical power. He was a prophet - in that he could interpret dreams ( a Mantis ) and predict the future ( a Seer ).

Daniel 4: 4-9 says -

4 “I, Nebuchadnezzar, happened to be at ease” in my house and flourishing in my palace.” 5 There was a dream that I beheld, and it began to make me afraid. And there were mental images upon my bed and visions of my head that began to frighten me. 6 And from me an order was being put through to bring in before me all the wise men of Babylon, that they might make known to me the very interpretation of the dream.’
7 “At that time the magic-practicing priests, the conjurers, the Chalde’ans and the astrologers” were entering; and I was saying before them what the dream was, but its interpretation they were not making known to me. 8 And at last there came in before me Daniel, whose name is Belteshaz’zar according to the name of my god and in whom there is the spirit of the holy gods; and before him I said what the dream was:
9 “0 Bel•teshaz’zar the chief of the magic-practicing priests, because I myself well know that the spirit of the holy gods is in you’ and that there is no secret at all that is troubling you, tell the visions of my dream that I have beheld and its interpretation.”

And again in Chapter 5:7-13 it says;

7 The king was calling out loudly to bring in the conjurers, the Chal•de’ans and the astrologers. The king was an swering and saying to the wise men of Babylon: “Any man that will read this writing and show me its very interpretation, with purple he will be clothed, with a necklace of gold about his neck, and as the third one in the kingdom he will rule.”
8 At that time all the wise men of the king were coming in, but they were not competent enough to read the writing itself or to make known to the king the interpretation. 9 Consequently King Belshaz’zar was very much frightened and his complexion was changing within him; and his grandees were perplexed.10 As regards the queen, because of the words of the king and his grandees she entered right into the banqueting hall. The queen answered and said: “0 king, keep living even to times indefinite.” Do not let your thoughts frighten you, nor let your complexion be changed. 11 There exists a capable man in your kingdom in whom there is the spirit of holy gods; and in the days of your father illumination and insight and wisdom like the wisdom of gods were found in him, and King Nebunez’zar your father himself set him up as chief of the magic-practicing priests, the conjurers, the Chalde’ans [ the astrologers ] your father, O king; 12 forasmuch as an extraordinary spirit and knowledge and insight to interpret dreams and the explanation of riddles and the untying of knots had been found in him, in Daniel, whom the king himself named Belte.shaz’zar. Now let Daniel himself be called, that he may show the very interpretation."

And so it makes me wonder why Daniel would allow himself to practice such Occultic arts when Dueteronomy 18:9-14 clearly states that those under the law should not practice magic or any form of Divination ? The text states:

9 “When you are entered into the land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not learn to do according to the detestable things of those nations.’ 10 There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic’ or any one who looks for omens” or a sorcerer,” 11 or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events, or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12 For everybody doing these things is something detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable things Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you. 13 You should prove yourself faultless with Jehovah your God.14 ‘For these nations whom you are dispossessing used to listen to those practicing magic and to those who divine; but as for you, Jehovah your God has not given you anything like this.

Daniel is guilty of all of the highligted parts in Dueteronomy 18. Technically Jehovah should put him to death for violation of the mosaic law. Jesus even quoted Daniel in Matthew 24:15; so he had respect for his writings and powers of prediction.

As Jesus could raise the dead with Lazurus ( necromancy or ressurection ) walk on water( levitation )in front of his disciples, turn water into wine at a wedding feast ( transmutation ), calm the storms ( weather control ) just like David Copperfeild, Cris Angel and David Blaine can today - then in reality Jesus is a Warlock just like Daniel and our modern day magicians. Moses, too, is the same as he can perform divination or turn his rod into a snake, or part the red sea. They were all magicians with varioaus abilities. As I have done a lot of research into this area, and to save the time wasters - I do not accept the flawed reasoning that the ancient prophets were using God's spirit and a magician uses the Devil's spirit - I'm sorry that's garbage. I know better than that.

Interested in your comments. May God Bless;
Kimlyn

Good grief. I see you are at misleading the masses again. One thing you are very good at doing is casting the seeds of doubt in the mind of would be Christians.

I notice that in EVERY one of your posts you slander Christianity but you yourself offer nothing better. In example you say, "dont drink that water", but you don't have anything better for anyone to drink. Your goal is clear. Oppose God.

Your interpretations are sooo far from the truth its almost laughable. You accuse the Prophet Daniel "whose ability to interpret dreams was God given" with being a magician? lol First off Daniel is called "Belteshazzar" by [b]Nebuchadnezzar{/b] and not of his own accord. You see, Nebuchadnezzar believed in MANY Gods and he just rolled any new Gods into the stew. If you remember the account of the three Hebrew boys, Nebuchadnezzar ALSO gave THEM names based on his false Gods.

Stop spreading your apostasy around trying to exalt yourself. Your day will come.

I can only stress that in order to achieve salvation one MUST go to Gods word the Bible and get HIS viewpoint on matters.

If you are in Church... and your pastor, preacher, deacon or whoever does not use the Bible but just talks out of his head... you need to keep looking for true worship.

I've seen so many TV evangelists that speak the doctrines of men and not Gods word at all. They grab their microphones before they get their Bibles... IF they even get the Bible at all.

People are scattered about like lost sheep. Thirsting for spiritual food but finding none. Largely in part from "Christendom", the world empire of false religion. Having accurate knowledge of the scriptures is more important than just knowing them.

I have had first hand experience with living by the scripture. The scripture reads or paraphrased is "For we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to His purpose" (Romans 8:28).

This is a scripture that I have lived and breathed since March of 2000. This was the time that I found out that my children had been molested by a neighbor that was barely an adult himself. This scripture has been my stronghold in making sense of the unsenseable, and truly what kept me from doing something that I would have regretted for the rest of my life.

At the time, I didn' t understand or care to embrace what the reason could be but I still held to the fact that there was a reason as I believe that nothing is conincidence "There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 3What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the ear in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the roofs" Luke 12.

God Bless!

Margie

Thank you so much Marji for that testimonial. That is exactly what I wanted. I certainly did not want to start any arguments.

I would like to apologize for seemingly neglecting your posts in the thread. They moved it from my original place and I thought they had deleted it.

Thank you Skylark for your post. It was truly inspiring and just what I wanted.

One last person I would like to speak with here is Kimlyn (hope I spelled that right). I would like to contact you again by PM but they have disabled it for a while. If I gave you my email address I would appreciate your writing me.
The things I said to you in my last PM to you still hold true. Do not feel that I hate you or hold anything against you. I think of you so often and hope we can get in touch again.

Blessings to all,
hzchoice

To Mr Deedub ONLY -

As for what I have to offer - Firstly do some home work and stop reading the demonic croakings of 'The faithful and discreet slave' who give rotten 'meat in due season'. As for Daniel again do your research he was magician The New World ( ORDER ) Translation even says so in Daniel chapters 4 and 5. I've staudied in depth babylonian magick and Daniel was in
all respects a warlock as was Jesus. The interpretaion of a warlock is amale witch or male wise one. The faithful and wise servant calss are inspired by holy spirit nmaking them white witches, or wise ones. As I say do your research and stop spurning those you know nothing about. I am a practicing warlock myself.

I was raised a Jehovah's Witness for 30 years and hate them to the core of my soul, for the lies and deceit they have promoted and carried out in the name of God. The damage they have done to my family and to other friends of mine is unforgivable. I'd worship Adolf Hitler before I bowed before your god - Jehovah. You people don't deserve life and the right to being on this earth - in this world or that to come. Your the type of religion that deserves to be exterminated as a vile abortion of the human race.

I know more about the inside goings on of the Governing Body, and the mechanics of the Watchtower Society and its spiritual operations, than you will ever know. What's more - I was at one time called by the holy spirit in 1983 to be of the anoited class, but have spurned it to your god's very face. That makes me technically of 'the evil slave class' doesn't it ? Full of satanic bile and a spurning abhorance, for all that is holy and righteous as your christian religion sees it.

As for Christianity and I have something far better to offer than God. I don't have any need to offer anything to anyone. But if I do - it is Satan The Devil - as he is the True God and not your vile Jehovah. I can offer you the writings of the black earth and the old cpovenat of the ancient ones and the elder gods - but you wouldn't understand such sacred teachings as its beyond your capacity. Go read the Enuma Enlish you fool - the babylonian genesis as recorded in the book ancent and near eastern texts by pritchard 1955. Or The Magan Text ( a sumerised Enuma Enlish account) as recored in the book black book - The Necronomican. It was Satan who said is it for nothing that man serves god. Skin in behlf of skin man serves god for what he can get out of him. You only Love and serve your Jehovah because of your selfish desire for everlasting life and your fear of death. YOU are scared to die its that simple. If you are not - blaspheme the holy spirit now and renounce your blind faith; thereby shutting my mouth awnd proving the devil a liar. Because you are to scared to renounce your blind faith in Jehovah, you have proven the devil correct in his claim - that you serve your god out of fear of death and the selfish drive for life. If Jehovah took that gift away you'd leave "the truth" tomorrow, like a rat leaving a sinking ship. Because of that selfish drive you don't deserve the gift of life.
Just like Nimrod I am a mighty hunter in opposition to Your Jehovah, and The Watchtower Society you promote as his wife and spiritual mother. WHY because I can see its agenda and the damage the watchtower organization is doing to this earth such as holding shars in Rand cam and war weapons company , or becaoming amemeber of the UNited nations or fostering child molesters like former president Charles Taze Russell and former Governing body memeber Lyman Swingle.

The Witchtower Bable & Trict Society - as a book selling business and company are on top of my "to destroy" list, as they associate themselves with that Blasphemous name of Jehovah. The sanctity of Jehovah's name must be bought down. Go and show this to your Elders and Circuit Overseer and see if they don't cower before me, under Satan's attack. And to hell with you J.W people. You can't anwswer one question, I throw at you - unless you pull out your reasoning from the scriptures book and even then the answers are superficial. WHY because you don't have and never did hold the truth. My day will come when I see you in Hell, my Brother. Sincerly yours.
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Originally Posted by misterdeedub

Good grief. I see you are at misleading the masses again. One thing you are very good at doing is casting the seeds of doubt in the mind of would be Christians.

I notice that in EVERY one of your posts you slander Christianity but you yourself offer nothing better. In example you say, "dont drink that water", but you don't have anything better for anyone to drink. Your goal is clear. Oppose God.

Your interpretations are sooo far from the truth its almost laughable. You accuse the Prophet Daniel "whose ability to interpret dreams was God given" with being a magician? lol First off Daniel is called "Belteshazzar" by [b]Nebuchadnezzar{/b] and not of his own accord. You see, Nebuchadnezzar believed in MANY Gods and he just rolled any new Gods into the stew. If you remember the account of the three Hebrew boys, Nebuchadnezzar ALSO gave THEM names based on his false Gods.

Stop spreading your apostasy around trying to exalt yourself. Your day will come.

To Mr Deedub ONLY -

As for what I have to offer - Firstly do some home work and stop reading the demonic croakings of 'The faithful and discreet slave' who give rotten 'meat in due season'. As for Daniel again do your research he was magician The New World ( ORDER ) Translation even says so - in Daniel chapters 4 and 5. As he could untie and interpret knots, that effectively made him a warlock. There is no other interpretation to it daniel was a warlock. A awrlock can use giods spirit and the devils. Spirit is like electricity it can create an lovely effect or it can electricute either way if you master the spirit your a witch or wise one. Even jesus was visited by warlocks or magi wise men of BABYLON. I've studied in depth Babylonian magick and Daniel was in all respects a warlock, as was Jesus.

The interpretaion of a warlock is 'a male witch' or 'a male wise one'. Study you word origins and etymology before you condemn. The faithful and wise servant calss are inspired by holy spirit making them technically white "witches", or "wise ones". As I say do your research and stop spurning those you know nothing about. I am a practicing warlock myself.

I was raised a Jehovah's Witness for 30 years and hate them to the core of my soul, for the lies and deceit they have promoted and carried out in the name of God. The damage they have done to my family and to other friends of mine is unforgivable. I'd worship Adolf Hitler before I bowed before your god - Jehovah. You people don't deserve life and the right to being on this earth - in this world or that to come. Your the type of religion that deserves to be exterminated as a vile abortion of the human race.

I know more about the inside goings on of the Governing Body, and the mechanics of the Watchtower Society and its spiritual operations, than you will ever know. What's more - I was at one time called by the holy spirit in 1983 to be of the anoited class, but have spurned it to your god's very face. That makes me technically of 'the evil slave class' doesn't it ? Full of satanic bile and a spurning abhorance, for all that is holy and righteous as your christian religion sees it.

As for Christianity and I have something far better to offer than God. I don't have any need to offer anything to anyone. But if I do - it is Satan The Devil - as he is the True God and not your vile Jehovah. I can offer you the writings of the black earth and the old cpovenat of the ancient ones and the elder gods - but you wouldn't understand such sacred teachings as its beyond your capacity. Go read the Enuma Enlish you fool - the babylonian genesis as recorded in the book ancent and near eastern texts by pritchard 1955. Or The Magan Text ( a sumerised Enuma Enlish account) as recored in the book black book - The Necronomican. It was Satan who said is it for nothing that man serves god. Skin in behlf of skin man serves god for what he can get out of him. You only Love and serve your Jehovah because of your selfish desire for everlasting life and your fear of death. YOU are scared to die its that simple. If you are not - blaspheme the holy spirit now and renounce your blind faith; thereby shutting my mouth awnd proving the devil a liar. Because you are to scared to renounce your blind faith in Jehovah, you have proven the devil correct in his claim - that you serve your god out of fear of death and the selfish drive for life. If Jehovah took that gift away you'd leave "the truth" tomorrow, like a rat leaving a sinking ship. Because of that selfish drive you don't deserve the gift of life.
Just like Nimrod I am a mighty hunter in opposition to Your Jehovah, and The Watchtower Society you promote as his wife and spiritual mother. WHY because I can see its agenda and the damage the watchtower organization is doing to this earth such as holding shars in Rand cam and war weapons company , or becaoming amemeber of the UNited nations or fostering child molesters like former president Charles Taze Russell and former Governing body memeber Lyman Swingle.

The Witchtower Bable & Trict Society - as a book selling business and company are on top of my "to destroy" list, as they associate themselves with that Blasphemous name of Jehovah. The sanctity of Jehovah's name must be bought down. Go and show this to your Elders and Circuit Overseer and see if they don't cower before me, under Satan's attack. And to hell with you J.W people. You can't anwswer one question, I throw at you - unless you pull out your reasoning from the scriptures book and even then the answers are superficial. WHY because you don't have and never did hold the truth. My day will come when I see you in Hell, my Brother. Sincerly yours.
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Originally Posted by misterdeedub

Good grief. I see you are at misleading the masses again. One thing you are very good at doing is casting the seeds of doubt in the mind of would be Christians.

I notice that in EVERY one of your posts you slander Christianity but you yourself offer nothing better. In example you say, "dont drink that water", but you don't have anything better for anyone to drink. Your goal is clear. Oppose God.

Your interpretations are sooo far from the truth its almost laughable. You accuse the Prophet Daniel "whose ability to interpret dreams was God given" with being a magician? lol First off Daniel is called "Belteshazzar" by [b]Nebuchadnezzar{/b] and not of his own accord. You see, Nebuchadnezzar believed in MANY Gods and he just rolled any new Gods into the stew. If you remember the account of the three Hebrew boys, Nebuchadnezzar ALSO gave THEM names based on his false Gods.

Stop spreading your apostasy around trying to exalt yourself. Your day will come.

Originally Posted by kimlyn

Hi all;

I might like to add about supernatural encounters. Did you Know The prophet Daniel was a Magician. His name was Beltashazzsar which means "Lord of the Sun". Interested in your comments. May God Bless;
Kimlyn

I have asked you before to go back and re-read that - you said you would, clearly you have not. And you have chosen to twist the context to your own end.

AND - I'm not sure how you can say - May God bless - when you seem to claim you have better than God, whatever that may mean.

I can't have a relationship with any God, or Christ, who lies and can't be trusted. So until I am convinced otherwise -
I'd prefer to burn in hell - at least I won't be controlled by them.

So simply that is my case.


Hello Kimlyn,

Your above statement "So until I am convinced otherwise" opened the door for me to post. I first want to say that I love you and am very excited about the revelation you are going to find. You are a seeker and seekers find.

It makes me very mad that you have been hurt, used, abused and left for dead. The enemy of you soul, the father of all lies, succeeded in deceiving and driving you and your parents from the truth, thus placing you in a position for this abuse to take place.

Your parents will ultimately be held responsible. I do not tell you this to make you feel happy for their regrets, but to let you know that if we teach our children erroneously and this sends them to hell, then their blood will be on our hands. I know that you would not want your daughter to go to hell.Do you have other children? I pray that your parents see the light and find that Jesus paid their debt and receive forgiveness.

I do not know alot about the JWs, but have visited with them in my home on several occassions. I had no idea that they refer to themselves as Christians seeing as how they do not believe that Jesus is God. The last time they visited, they got very upset at me for a few different reasons:

1. I told them that Jesus is God and in His infinite Love for me, them and the world, that He, Himself, came to this earth to die for us. He gave all He had so we would not have to live in hell on this earth or after our bodies die, but be in His presence. But it is a choice we all have to make. He will not force anyone. And He is not a God of rules and regulations, that is why He had to send Jesus, because He knew that we can not keep up with all the law under the old covenant, but He is a God of Love. He clearly shows this in the two greatest commandments -- Love God with all your heart and Love your neighbor.

2. One of the young women would hang back and ask questions concerning my faith. She was so hungry for the truth.

3. The head publisher, as you said they are called, got very upset when I told her that it was not God's perfect will for anyone to be sick. That it was very displeasing to Him when we are sick and do not appropriate the Blood of Jesus. Jesus redeemed us from spiritual death, sickness and disease and poverty. God expects us to take advantage of all that Jesus has made available. Boy, did the darts come at me then.

From my encounters with those particular JWs, I believe that they do not have and know the truth as I know the truth. It seems that they want to be very controlling. I sensed no Love in them. Only a religious spirit.

I can see where you would think that Christianity is a falsehood. You have been exposed to religions that claim to be Christ based, but in fact are not. Christianity is not a religion or a set of rules. It is a heart condition. It is a state of being. God just wants to be with you.

Allow me to encourage you to keep seeking for the truth and the Love that you have a right to, because He said so. We all want unconditional Love. It is wonderful when we first realize that all we have to do is receive it. We don't have to work for it, earn it or deserve it. Just accept it. God's Love is a free gift. And nothing can seperate you from His Love. No matter what you have done or said. All is forgiven. He Loves you.

I pray that God bless you, cause all scales to fall from your eyes, give you His Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Jesus Christ and make you His very own. I ask you to come and be my brother in Christ. There is only light here, no darkness.

Thanks for listening,
Monica

Dear Monica,
I wrote in a private PM to Kimlyn almost the exact words you did in this letter. Thank you for the beautiful spirit of Christ that you exhibit here. I too have such an ache in my heart when I read of Kimlyn's experiences.

(See Kimlyn, there are real Christians out here who refuse to judge you). Hope you are making progress in your life!

hzchoice