Thread: American Truck Drivers Screwed By Bush

Originally Posted by celilo

I'm a bit confused, what side is "your side" referring to?

Hmmm... U R in the US of A while I'm just a hop across the Atlantic in Europe.


YB.... where the beers are the BEST...including Guinness Stout!

...naah, we've been past that and onto bigger, organized Management with the trucking routes and had rid off those individual trucking roughnecks since those days, but you have a BIG problem still by YOUR side... cheers mate!

Originally Posted by YogiBrood

The problem is is NOT with GW Bush... the core culprit usually lies within the Organization...there's always a team or a bunch of crooked leaders (Stewards) thats "wheelin & dealin" and somewhere down the line, the word gets all messed or screwed up and the blame is deflected towards the wrong direction... I'll save the infinite details here... been there and the truth always points towards the center, seated within! ...

Sure GB is not responsible for all of the problems, but when he supports the policies responsible for the problem, he certainly owns it.

Lack of leadership is something for which GB is responsible. Even if you end up compromising, in order to get the best achievable solution to an issue, you must lead with the ideal and be a zealot for your beliefs. If you start negotiating from a compromised position, you will almost always end up with an even greater compromise. Furthermore, the society that you represent sees you only for your compromise and not your ideals. This is a weakness that has passed generationally from Bush1 to Bush2. Even so, I attribute most of GB's domestic policy to a strong belief in big brother government. While he speaks of conservative ideals, his policies state otherwise. "XXX hasn't seen a spending program that he doesn't like." Heck XXX could be Bush or Clinton!

Originally Posted by YogiBrood

...I know most of you would speak out just the same way if Al Gore was in Georgie's seat!!! Perhaps more heard from the northern Party, the Dems to be precise. ...

I won't give Al gore a break because he is a hypocrite, but I have a lot of respect for Tony Blair, de****e our philosophical differences.

Originally Posted by YogiBrood

..."America, this is your last chance"..

I don't think that the US is at the end of its life, but it has drifted far from the ideals of its founders and will likely suffer great economic demise before coming to grips with the so******tic society that has evolved. Many of the US founders feared that power would concentrate at the federal level, rather than state, and that it could lead to the demise of individual rights and freedom. They have been proven correct.

I look for countries such as the emancipated Soviet block countries to become the most free and flourishing. Half of the US population is numb to the rest of the world, insulated by borrowed prosperity. Western Europe is also numb, and has long ceded the responsibility for its own defense to the US, which will not be able to maintain these policies in the future.

The European union did not unite 3rd world countries such as Mexico to gain strength, and creating unfair trade will not help the US to grow stronger. When a company in the US is required to spend millions of dollars on pollution controls and a Mexican company can import the same manufactured items into the US without incurring those same costs, US companies and jobs will and have left. Trucking is no different. If a lower cost of entry applies to Mexican trucks, there will be more of them. In fact US companies will relocate to just South of the border and run uninspected trucks to better compete.

I'm rambling with a smattering of everything ... but trying to work in the midst of this reply.

I thank you for the question, but it should be obvious from my rantings, but let me try to explain it a little different:

I am on the side of ethics, morality, liberty, freedom, independence. Within this realm is our Capitalist world of business which includes Free Market, Free Enterprise and the right to seek out dreams.

You see I have been preaching for years about Capitalisms three cancers and three dangers, and not all within the dangers is critical if they are controlled and kept within reason:
Cancers: Greed, Graft Corruption
Dangers: C o m m u n i s m, S o c i a l i s m and Dependency to include being totally dependent upon the employer or Job for personal and family financial security.

In other words, we must all seek other avenues to provide for ourselves as most employers will not and can not provide. Social services are needed within all societies, but when the economy is so bad the cost of these services are overbearing and basically worthless, then there are no benefits.

I am for a world without petty dictators that control their people, their lives, to the point they have no freedom. I am for freedom of religion of those who believe and the freedom for those who don't believe to believe as they do.

I believe there are good people in all political parties and yet, I know there are people in all parties that are not worthy of the trust of the people.

As someone once said (something that went sort of like this), "politics and government are necessary but to place all your trust in them is foolish."

So, as for the side of the fence I sit on, call it what is most uncommon today: Common Sense!'

Thanks for the question.

Originally Posted by celilo

Sure GB is not responsible for all of the problems, but when he supports the policies responsible for the problem, he certainly owns it.

Lack of leadership is something for which GB is responsible. Even if you end up compromising, in order to get the best achievable solution to an issue, you must lead with the ideal and be a zealot for your beliefs. If you start negotiating from a compromised position, you will almost always end up with an even greater compromise. Furthermore, the society that you represent sees you only for your compromise and not your ideals. This is a weakness that has passed generationally from Bush1 to Bush2. Even so, I attribute most of GB's domestic policy to a strong belief in big brother government. While he speaks of conservative ideals, his policies state otherwise. "XXX hasn't seen a spending program that he doesn't like." Heck XXX could be Bush or Clinton!

I won't give Al gore a break because he is a hypocrite, but I have a lot of respect for Tony Blair, de****e our philosophical differences.

I don't think that the US is at the end of its life, but it has drifted far from the ideals of its founders and will likely suffer great economic demise before coming to grips with the so******tic society that has evolved. Many of the US founders feared that power would concentrate at the federal level, rather than state, and that it could lead to the demise of individual rights and freedom. They have been proven correct.

I look for countries such as the emancipated Soviet block countries to become the most free and flourishing. Half of the US population is numb to the rest of the world, insulated by borrowed prosperity. Western Europe is also numb, and has long ceded the responsibility for its own defense to the US, which will not be able to maintain these policies in the future.

The European union did not unite 3rd world countries such as Mexico to gain strength, and creating unfair trade will not help the US to grow stronger. When a company in the US is required to spend millions of dollars on pollution controls and a Mexican company can import the same manufactured items into the US without incurring those same costs, US companies and jobs will and have left. Trucking is no different. If a lower cost of entry applies to Mexican trucks, there will be more of them. In fact US companies will relocate to just South of the border and run uninspected trucks to better compete.

I'm rambling with a smattering of everything ... but trying to work in the midst of this reply.

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Sorry about so much, but when I get started I don't know when to stop sometimes. (Most of the time!)

I have to wonder what GB's political years would have looked like had it not been for 911. I also wonder if 911 would have happened if our leaders had been on their toes? I wonder what kind of President GB would have been, had he the complete backing of a Nation without a war.

A great book to read which sheds a lot of light on what the US has been up against; to include our own Representatives that should have gone to prison for divulging secrets, is "Casey," the CIA Chief under Ronald Reagan.

As far as US Companies heading south of the boarder, Freightliner will be build in Mexico in the near future. The Portland, Oregon plant is closing. Other companies have moved south, but the quality of manufacturing was found to be very poor. If Mexico wants to keep these jobs, then their quality of manufacturing will have to be improved. In the mean time, what about the American workers who no longer have a good paying job.

I offered to go to Portland to speak with employees there, but never got any response. Why? Because I wanted to talk about the MLM world. Why are so many so blind?

Now, as far as Trucks moving north, across the board, they will be inspected and they will be shut down in record numbers if they are not up to standard. You can bet the US DOT will be very busy when the borders open.

I imagine the only break they will get is the cheap fuel they will put in their trucks on the Mexican side.

You are absolutely right about Europe not bringing in Third World Countries and I have so stated this as the problem with Mexico joining the US and Canada.

I look at Spain and I look at Mexico and I wonder why the drastic difference in the poverty level, but then we know why. The Mexican Government and the power of the wealthy over the impoverished. They had the time and the chances to build a beautiful and upbeat country that could cater to all of the world much better in tourism and world trade. They chose to be closed minded. Likewise, the US Oil Companies, (in the 1930') trashed the east coast of Mexico and that did not make the Mexican's very happy with doing business with us Gringo's north of their border.

The Policies of trying to bring the world up to standards ran out of steam after putting Germany and Japan as well as other parts of Europe back on their feet after WWII. We flat ran out of money to help the whole world and American's have given up so much in the way of tax dollars to help the world and now that we can't help them so much, we are not looked upon kindly by many.

A comment from a US Representative 200 years ago,"and after providing bread, on the very first scarcity, they will turn and bit the hand that fed them!" Of course this is talking about welfare of which is a gift and not a right, but when people discover they can legally rob the coffers of government, then everyone wants their share and they demand it as a right.

Be Careful what you give away and who you give it to.

Sure, politics plays a huge roll in world affairs and politics should be a four letter word, but it is a game people play that does effect every citizen world wide; good, bad, or indifferent.

I too, look for the Soviet world to grow and be productive. They are in their infancy as far as Capitalism and you see a lot of crime as well as greed, but they will overcome this; at least for a while.

We are stuck with the Mexican problem, but I am afraid this will not be the major problem we are going to face as the legal immigration numbers are way out of hand and need to be dropped back to 1965 levels.

Originally Posted by YogiBrood

Hmmm... U R in the US of A while I'm just a hop across the Atlantic in Europe.


YB.... where the beers are the BEST...including Guinness Stout!

...naah, we've been past that and onto bigger, organized Management with the trucking routes and had rid off those individual trucking roughnecks since those days, but you have a BIG problem still by YOUR side... cheers mate!

After returning from Europe the last time, I walked into a bar where I use to frequent occasionally because a friend of mine managed the place. I sat down at the bar and I said, "Hey Mike, give me glass of water!"

Of course it was yellow in color, and it did not have the taste of good European beer, but it started the conversation of returning after being gone so long.

I miss the Festivals. We have nothing like it here. Too many laws and no common sense. There I go again, talking about something "not so common!"

Do you drink yours Warm? Never been that far North. Always want to. Perhaps when the Dinar RV's.