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    Exclamation There is justice every now and then...

    The greed, truck payment, and the fact that you can’t get two truckers to agree on anything will keep them at the bottom of the food chain. The truckers do have the ability to pull this all around, they just think it’s the others truckers job to make his life better.

    Swift was in the news a few years ago as they started buying up Mexican trucking companies. At that time the Mexican loved the .10-.12 cents paid per mile while the U.S. drivers for Swift was hoping that the company was not going to drop their .25/mile rate lower.

    Until the U.S. Congress changes the current pay scale from mileage to driving time, loading/unloading time, and drop & hook you will NEVER see a living wage again in the Trucking Industry. The power of the companies needs to be removed and swing back to the drivers. The old, “I can always get another driver” statement MUST be removed from the equation. Case in point:

    A few years back my brother was out of time, pass his sleep period and had a load that required a 9:00AM delivery. The office gave him a delayed shipment without giving him the required delivery time required. Picking up his gray keyboard he informed dispatch that he was out of time, very tired, and needed sleep with the question as to how they wanted him to proceed.

    The Station Manager informed him that he didn’t give a damn about his logbooks or his fatigue, but he wanted that load delivered by 9:00AM the next morning! As my brother and the Chicken Coop Inspector read the incoming message together, he asked my brother if he had enough energy left to move his rig over and park it between them two white lines to the right, cause he was out of service.

    My brother only got the needed 8 hours sleep with no fines or tickets. However, within just a few short hours the State Troopers in the State where his home office was located walked in and cited the Station Manager to the tune of $26,000 with the threat of jail time if he gave my brother ANY problems over it. Funny thing was, whenever he asked the company again about a decision NO ONE would answer his questions…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky142 View Post
    I love Celilo. I have a faint memory of when I was a small child on the Columbia-before the falls disappeared. Of course I remember the way it is today because I grew up in Eastern Oregon and traveled to the coast many times down the gorge during my younger years. I missed it during my military years but caught up on its beauty while driving truck so many years.
    I windsurf at Celilo most weekends. It's always sunny. I never had the opportunity to see it before the dams flooding the valley, but it must have been even more beautiful

    With regard to trucking. I'm not suggesting that not allowing Mexican trucks will resolve the industries problems. I simply object to the policy for other reasons. I'll have to take your word for the state of the industry and laborers in the US because I'm not very knowledgeable in that area.

    With regard to Bush... I voted for him twice, but only because he was better than the alternatives. There are some things that I like about GW, I'm not a Bush hater, but his policies as well as those in Congress have little resemblance to republican or conservative principals. Had the Republicans held to the Gingrich philosophy of the early to mid 90's, they'd have a larger majority than ever. It's my belief that the war would not have even impacted the most recent congressional election much if domestic issues were handled conservatively as promised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celilo View Post
    It's my belief that the war would not have even impacted the most recent congressional election much if domestic issues were handled conservatively as promised.


    ...aaah, a Conservative at heart but has progressive reservations as well...

    I know most of you would speak out just the same way if Al Gore was in Georgie's seat!!! Perhaps more heard from the northern Party, the Dems to be precise.

    Truckers go on strike to improve issues???... Will NOT happen and SHOULD NOT be allowed either...next, we will have the city drivers, the Cabbys.. the nurses and the cabbage councillors and a whole lot of Jim bang out there that took a job for what it iis...and when the going is good, they forget the rest that helped them where they now stood and when its a downhill ride...they suddenly remembered, HELP is needed from all quarters of society to get them back where they once stood...SAME ole SCENARIO...one need not have to look to American truckers on this... its EVERYWHERE if your eyes are open wide enough....

    The problem is is NOT with GW Bush... the core culprit usually lies within the Organization...there's always a team or a bunch of crooked leaders (Stewards) thats "wheelin & dealin" and somewhere down the line, the word gets all messed or screwed up and the blame is deflected towards the wrong direction... I'll save the infinite details here... been there and the truth always points towards the center, seated within!

    As for Congress...well, The Constitution is behind it... that also protects YOU ALL...its like back to square ONE, isn't it???



    The many Americans who dare say...after looking at themselves in the mirror, decided to pack it in and leave for another to start it all over... fresh start, be reborn and lean back no more but be GONE and serve somewhere else... free from that hypocrisy that ruined their lives and they had the nerve & courage to make that flight for a new horizon...."America, this is your last chance"...I hear them whisper to themselves before their last farewell....

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    I agree that the Republican's strayed of course and they have admitted that. It is one reason I have stated the only difference between a Republican and a Democrat today is the spelling. Of course that is not entirely true, but when we have an economy that is bankrupt with 40% drawing some kind of government check and services, something is wrong with the Capitalist mechanism of which is the only means of producing wealth.

    Even the Corporate Welfare is alive and well as we have seen recently here in Spokane with a Corporation bargaining away the wealth of property owners for the money required to build a new section of our Downtown area. We can't own property when government can continue to drain the wealth out of it for every little whim. We now pay rent to government to live in the homes we work hard to pay for.

    It does nothing for the tax payers and property owners but they evidently can't see the damage they are doing. What we have done is create another Government entity that will build wealth into the cities tax coffers at the expense of present wealth rather than produce new wealth to build and enhance the value of our community.

    The trucking industry is in a real sad state of affairs, yet you will find many out there who are company drivers that will say all is just great. Most of them could not find a job that paid anything and now they can afford a new pair of boots. That does not make the problems go away, but they won't realize this for some years down the road as they just have not a clue as the state of affairs this country is in.

    The fact the trucking industry does not share the wealth as it should makes it extremely difficult to repair or pay for new equipment. Owner Operators are in debt from the day they purchase until the day they are forced out or leave this world for the hear after. This is why I say, "they are only Asset Providers" who provide assets for others to get rich, and they never have a chance to get ahead in life.

    When so many work in one of our most important National Industries, it means the support chain is huge; i.e. factory workers, to sales people, to many other forms of support and that means, when things are bad we see lay offs, factory closures, reposesions, and bankruptcies.

    There should never have been a total deregulation. Bottom end freight rates and other protective clauses should have remained to protect the industry from greed, graft and corruption as well as the abuse of drivers and small businesses.

    Mexican truckers will cause some problems, but the majority of the problems are already festering in this industry as far too many remain complacent, apathetic and dependent on Government to do the right thing other than to look at alternative to force change.

    Owner Operators may shut down during scheduled strikes, but company drivers will not. Many Owner Operators will not shut down for a couple days because they have bills to pay and families to feed. They don't realize that taking a couple days off could potentially get the attention of Government and force them to make some necessary changes.

    It is really sad, but our problems are not just the trucking industry as most people in this country remain of the same state of mind when it comes to earning money and paying bills.

    Those drawing Government paychecks don't care because they are living. Those who are struggling and doing the complaining won't do their due diligence in learning about the opportunities they have to produce the wealth they need to survive.

    Until people realize we are going down the wrong path, there will be no change. A Great indicator of what people want is the high rating Hillary Clinton carries at present in the running for the Next Presidential election.

    People want big government, they will get bigger and more powerful government and that is when they lose their freedom and independence. They give up what this country has stood for just to have promises of security. Those who willingly give up freedom for security, deserve neither.

    The simple fact is, "we can not tax ourselves into prosperity" as there just is not enough money. You must first increase national and personal wealth before you can afford the social needs of life within a country or community.

    As far as Mexico and Canada, in this trade union, it is the consensus of Government, that by placing our three countries under one umbrella, we will enhance the power of a United North America, just as the Union of the European countries and give North America a stronger position in the world economy. I personally can not see Mexico adding to the wealth when all they have promoted south of our border is poverty and that is the reason so many Mexicans are now in the United States Illegally.

    This was started (designed) before President Bush, and we should all be standing up and shouting about the Legal and Illegal Immigrants in this country as it is bring this country to its knees. Educated *****s have been running our country; not people with vision and understanding.

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    America's last farewell? It took Rome 400 years to dissipate while wallowing in its own misery. America will remain as long as there are people who believe in Liberty, Freedom and Independence, but it won't be the dream place for people in the coming decades.

    At present so many want in because they have no hope in their own countries. This is the last Bastian of hope and most Americans have not a clue, but some are waking up because of people spreading the word. It is not enough and time is not on our side.

    What does that say for the rest of the world?

    Capitalism is the only course, but it must be free of its three cancers: Greed, Graft and Corruption. Then we have the human race.

    Smile! Enjoy life as it is a one way ride.

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    Thank YOU...for the interesting "insight" and perspectives from your side... it is a sad development you all are faced and subjected to...

    We are however, lucky to be shared by your picture of prosperity distancing gradually from many survivors simply trying to make ends meet...


    All the best to you too as our summer is about to blossom with long hot nights into August for sure....


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    It is sad they way the trucking industry is mishandled and allowed to wallow in its own problems as no one wants to fix any of the problems, like this short list of problems:
    1. Forcing drivers to work on a dock and not get paid.
    2. Forcing drivers to accept House Hold Mileage guide rules that make a driver work approximately 30 days out of each year for free.
    3. Forcing drivers to work for less than a living income.
    4. Forcing drivers to handle HAZ MAT and not paying for the additional responsibility.
    5. Forcing drivers to accept doubles and triples and not paying a reasonable income for the added responsibilities.

    But who's forcing who? They can all quit and take a $9 per hour job in a world that dictates $35 per hour if you want a future for yourself and/or family, or go to work for the government, but when everyone is working for government who will pay the taxes. (there will be no taxes because Government earns the money to support the children who could not take care of themselves)

    Likewise, when everyone is working for the Government they will have no opportunities for real advancement or wealth building in life. In other words you become a slave of the system and get what they pay and nothing else.

    I personally prefer Freedom to working for Government. The only millionaires I see created today are those engaged in free enterprise, free market. In other words MLM. I do see Millionaires using Corporate Welfare (Taxation) to support their goals. Should this not be illegal? You can only bleed the bank so much until the coffers are dry. Have we learned nothing from history and the fall of Nations? No! Evidently not.

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    I know where you are coming from pal, but here is the way I see it.
    1. Mexicans will have to eat from the menu prices in the US and that will require much more than ten cents per mile. We can't survive on 25 cents per mile.

    2. Any trucks coming into California, Arizona, New Mexico will be weighed as they will have to cross a scale.

    3. Any truck carrying HAZ MAT that is not placarded and ends up in an accident, no matter how minor will cause that company to go out of business.

    4. Swift, with all their power of being one of the largest carriers in the world, will have to maintain their fleet here in the US, so their drivers won't be affected and Mexican Drivers will probably be on par with US Drivers after a short while.

    If you look to the Trucking in Europe, you find drivers from many countries crossing borders every day and it does not have a negative affect on the different countries.

    We will be doing the same as Europe over time with trucks traveling from one end of Mexico to Alaska and all points in Canada. Much of the freight will not stop in the US, although the market will be open for freight to be delivered within all points in the US.

    This is coming and it is only a matter of time. However, like I said, the planning should have started many decades ago and not when we are having major problems, economically and with illegal immigrants.

    Mexico did not have to remain a poor country. They could have done many things to enhance their position in the global market, but the corrupt leadership and they type of government has keep Mexico from expanding and growing.

    The United States, being their only neighbor to the north, should have done something a long time ago to help bring Mexico up to a decent standard of living.

    Why did we not do this? Many reasons and none of them worth the time of day.

    Times chance and people must change with times. The problem is people do not like change as change is not considered NORMAL!

    Those who do not change with times, get changed by times and that also makes people angry.

    This is the reason people don't want to talk when approached about something not considered normal. So what is normal?

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    Thank you YB.

    While it is true that NO President has ever had total approval, comparing Al Gore to George Bush is not consistent with reality. They are two very different individuals and the difference is like night and day.

    Compare the two:

    Al Gore is for Conservation and yet his home is one of the most non-conservative and wasteful as far as energy as anyone in the world.

    George Bush, on the other hand is not a so called Conservationist, yet he has the most earth friendly home in the United States; with geo thermal, solar, etc.

    Al Gore puts on the big talk and the big front.

    George Bush talks from under the Cowboy hat and says what he really feels is true.

    Now lets take a look at the upcoming hopefuls:
    Republicans:
    1. Rudy Guliani NY - The Official Website of the Rudy Giuliani Presidential Committee.
    JoinRudy2008 - Home

    2, Fred Thompson - TN - Supporter site from the Draft Fred Thompson 2008 Committee.
    Draft Fred Thompson for President '08

    3. Mitt Romney - Official campaign site provides his biography, news and information on how to support his candidacy.
    Mitt Romney for President 2008

    All three very strong Candidates with reputations for saying what they think and meaning what they think.

    Democrates:
    1. Hillary Clinton - Displaced ARKANSAS - NY- Everyone who has ever worked around her hates her guts. She was a strong backer of the Bush agenda on the Middle east to include Iraq. However, when it came time for politics and a new Presidential Race, she turned staunch against the Bush Policies. Two Faced/Hypocritical/False Front - but loved by women; especially minorities and welfare class. Powerful position to win based on the needs of the needy and not the values of building a wealthy nation.

    Barack Obama - IL - Official Website of Barack Obama 2008 Presidential Campaign.
    BarackObama.com | Welcome to Obama for America Looks good to many people. Lots of concerns about his loyalty.. Not well known as people do not do their homework when it comes to potential candidates for any office.
    Young, Handsome, Family Man, Attends Church-but who is he?

    I don't see the Democrats with any strong standing other that Hillary Clinton as defender of big Government and Social Welfare. I see her as someone who changes face to meet the circumstances of the day.

    Many people like Fred Thompson. Many like Mitt Romney. Guiliani is well liked and the leading contender, but many do not believe he will stay in the lead.

    Who will win?

    It depends on how serious the American Voters are next time and if they want more government or if they want a country that wants to get back to the basics of building wealth in a Nation.

    Building Social welfare is the direction of Hillary Clinton. That means more and bigger government.

    Will the dollar fall on the world market?
    What is really backing the Euro?
    What is really backing the British Pound?

    Which country has done more for the world than any other?
    What happens if that country should slide out of the ability to help all others?

    Our world is in a quagmire of Social Services that can not cope with the masses of needy people. The US Immigration has allowed such a high number of Legals into this country it threatens our very security and freedoms and that is not even taking into consideration the Illegal aliens.

    Yet, there are many under the US Flag who will never give up Freedoms cause until it is taken away from everyone.

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    Thank YOU...for the interesting "insight" and perspectives from your side...
    I'm a bit confused, what side is "your side" referring to?

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