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Massive anti-war demonstrations on September 24-26 in many US cities, march on Washington to the White House!
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/
http://impeachbush.org/
http://www.bushstole04.com/september_24.htm
Spread the word!!
I get it. You want the terrorists to win.
You DON'T get it,Flash.You don't get it at all.
Somebody disagreed with you. They don't share your viewpoint. That does NOT automatically mean that they "don't get it".
Rahly, if you don't want the terrorists to win, how would you change your view if you did want them to win?
Just when you think leftists protesting the war in Iraq can't sink any lower, they do. Today we find out that the Walter Reed Hospital in Washington has been targeted by Democrats protesting the war. Among some of their slogans: "Enlist here and die for Halliburton." How nice. So what are they doing...holding up signs, protesting across the street from the hospital? Not at all. It's much worse.
These people have been camping out right in front of the main entrance. And not just with signs...they even have fake caskets lined up, right on the sidewalk. So why haven't you heard anything in the media about this over-the-top, shameless bashing of our wounded soldiers? Because the media is ignoring it.
To cover this would cast the anti-war movement in a negative light. We're supposed to believe that those against the war are being led by warm and fuzzy Peace Mom Cindy Sheehan. The press selectively ignores the people on the sidewalk outside of Walter Reed.
Inside that hospital are soldiers that were injured in the War On Terror...and some of them are fighting for their lives. And how are they honored? By these protesters who tell them they died for Halliburton. The left is turning on the soldiers who are fighting in this war, and we're starting to see it.
Is this what they mean when they say they support the troops, but not the war? That's a strange way of showing it.
Well, how sad and terrible that is but THAT'S true! People who go to war don't fight for their home country as they think but solely for the interest and purpose of governments, companies and organisations. Their belief in their own government and country is totally abused for the inferior interests of power hungry madmen. As long as people don't realize that they are only used as cannon fodder (besides eradication in regard population control and welcomed patients when returning home sick for the pharma cartels) for the powers to be wars won't stop.
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Originally Posted by papabear
The terrorists sit directly in YOUR government and behind them!
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Originally Posted by Flash
OK, I’ve had enough,
It is not my practice to engage in flame wars, I’m a man of peace but I am sick and tired of Mickey constantly attacking the country that I love. Mickey there are a lot of us who not only support the effort of George Bush in his war against terrorism, but also believe that America has done a great service by spreading democracy and freedom to enslaved people all of the world.
If it hadn’t been for America Nazism would have conquered all of Europe. The death camps would have become a permanent part of the landscape. Jews, homosexuals, labor leaders, Christians and a whole host of other people would have been eradicated from the face of the earth. But the United States of America joined with other freedom loving nations all around the world to oppose Hitler and his bloody ambitions. Thank God for America – Europe is free because of it.
If it hadn’t been for America the Iron Curtain would never have fallen. East Germany, the Baltic States, and Russia would still be ruled by the dictatorial grip of Communism. Joseph Stalin murdered more than 20 million of his own people. The secret police reported directly to the KGB. Because of the policies of Ronald Reagan the Soviet Union was forced into an arms race that eventually bankrupted the entire nation. Russia is a free nation and a free people because of what America did.
If it hadn’t been for America, Bosnia would still be a dictatorship. If it hadn’t been for America Afghanistan would still be controlled by the Taliban. If it hadn’t been for America Saddam Hussein would still be free to practice genocide against his own people and to invade Kuwait. If it hadn’t been for America Osama Bin Laden would still be resting comfortably in his training camps of Afghanistan.
You should get down on your knees and thank God for the U.S.A. because the U.S.A. has stood up for freedom when no once else was able to. Freedom loving people all over the world have been willing to sacrifice the blood and treasure of their young men and women in order to liberate those who are held captive. Nations like Great Britain, Australia, Italy, Spain, Japan, Canada, Taiwan, South Korea, and others have been willing to join us so that the world may live in peace. They mourn the loss of their sons and daughters who were sent out in the cause of democracy and I don’t appreciate the fact that you are so willing to dismiss that ultimate sacrifice.
George Bush has done nothing but declare war on the terrorist who were willing to kill women and children in order to make a political statement. They attacked us, we did not attack them. We have sent billions of dollars to Muslim nations all over the world in order to strengthen their economies. We have helped build hospitals and to dig wells. What other nation would be willing to send out the amount of humanitarian aid that we have.
This forum has been nothing but a constant drumbeat of hatred against a great and noble people.
So here are some questions for you Mickey.
1. Have you ever been to America? Do you even know what you’re talking about when you talk about Americans?
2. What is your plan to protect the world from the spread of militant Islam?
3. If your plan is so good then I will set up an appointment for you with President Bush and the two of you can plan out together how you are going to protect America and the rest of the world.
4. Have you ever served in the military? Have you ever risked your life in order to rescue someone who is enslaved by a tyrannical ruler?
5. Have you ever spoken to an American soldier? Have you asked that soldier how they feel about risking their lives to rescue ungrateful people like you?
6. Has your country been attacked by terrorists, and did 3,000 of your countrymen die in one day.
7. If your plan isn’t to hunt down the terrorists and blast their sorry butts off of the face of the earth, then what is your plan? (Maybe you should volunteer to carry the peace flag to the terrorists, and hope that they won’t cut your head off for the effort. In fact, I nominate Mickey to carry the flag of peace right now, who agrees with me.)
8. If you don’t want to fight the terrorists in Iraq where do you want to fight them. We are killing terrorists in Iraq everyday. So if Iraq is where the terrorists are then that’s where the American military ought to be as well. Maybe we could send the terrorists to your country and the war could be fought street to street in your hometown. (Because that’s what you’re asking me to do. You’re saying that I should pull the troops out of Iraq and wait for them to show up in my hometown so that I can fight them here.)
9. Here’s the last question. Are you living in a nation that would not be free if it hadn’t been for America? Millions of people are, and a whole lot of them are grateful that America was willing to stand up and fight with them. (Maybe you should ask the people of Iraq whether they want Saddam back again. That would probably settle this argument once and for all.)
Don’t make me have to come back here again.
- TwiceWise
Amen Twicewise
Holy crap!! Is this for real??
Sorry to tell you that you really have no clue at all what is happening behind the curtains of politics. What write here reads like a transcript from CNN or FOX News, this really says enough... You are so fascinated and manipulated by your government that you are even not willing to consider anything else. A typical - stuck your head in the sand - authority syndrome, never question or criticize any authorities; starting from the parents, school teachers, college profs, preachers, doctors up to governments and large corporations who only want your very best. (energy co's, pharma cartels etc.) You gave up critical thinking and with it you gave all your responsibilities away to a few others. Did you know that democracy means that the folk controls the powers to be? But how is it really? Approx. 600 people control 280 millions! Do you realize that? Likely not. This situation is not only in the US but worldwide. BUT USA is the one which wants to control the world and dictates ALL countries worldwide what to do in ALL matters. If it were Russia or an other country then of course they were to blame. You mix something up here, buddy, deliberately or not, but I never ever said something against American People but against the US Government. These are two different pair of shoes, so don't twist my words or try to tell I hate US people which definitely is not true. Your country is wonderful, many beautiful places with wonderful people, what is not wonderful is YOUR government (and the people behind them) which counts up on one or two handful of people.
About historical events I won't go into a rebuttal here as everything what you described is totally biased or falsified. I'll pick up only two of your examples here, Bosnia was NEVER ever a dictatorship! I really don't know where you got this from, even in the mass media I never heard such claims, this is surely a US fabricated fairytale. (like many others) I can tell this as I'm coming from Croatia which like Bosnia was a part of former Yugoslavia and NONE of those both countries was ever a dictatorship! This is FACT! The next one is WWII. It is a proven fact that besides many german industrialists Prescott Bush (Father of Bush Sen.) and Rockefeller have financed Hitler with a good chunk of money to expedite the development of german military machinery. Only BS?? Surely not! Go to any large public or academic library in your country and look for those infos! You'll be surprised what you'll find under your Freedom of Information Act. Of course this won't be debated in mass media and it's always only a small portion of people who know the truth which is oppressed. Btw, where you mention Hitler... let me take up the example of 9/11. People can accept that a politician could be taking bribes for services rendered because is lying on a human scale, if you like. But when the lie involves elements in their own government and military conspiring with outside forces to orchestrate the horrific attacks of September 11th it’s all too much to absorb. "They would never do that"... Well, ‘they’ would do that and are doing it almost daily. The Big Lie is one of their core techniques for mass manipulation of the global population. This is what Adolf Hitler wrote in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf:
And let's go further. This is precisely what we have seen since 9/11 and with other engineered ‘terrorist’ attacks like the London bombings. Alongside the Big Lie itself there needs to be the suppression of information that exposes the lie with the evidence of its deceit. Thus, Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi Propaganda Minister, wrote:Quote:
In the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire toget her in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes.
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If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
These mind and emotional manipulation techniques have been used throughout history to subjugate the people and bring them into line behind the mental and emotional retards who seek power and control as a mask for their own monumental fears and insecurity. Show me an ego and I'll show you a man or woman who is deeply insecure. One is just a mask for the other and the bigger the insecurity the bigger the mask necessary for camouflage. It can reach such a scale that it produces the Hitler’s, Himmlers, Stalins and Bushes, desperately frightened and insecure people hiding their little-boy vulnerabilities behind power over others.
The way the system is structured it brings the liars to the top. It has to because they are selling a cover-story to the people to hide the real agenda and their only option, therefore, is to lie. They can’t tell the truth – like ‘the forces controlling me were behind 9/11 because they wanted to frighten the people into giving their freedoms away.’ Or, ‘we are going to invade Iraq because it is part of a master plan to control the entire Middle East for the benefit of those who control me – we also want Iran, Syria and a list of others, too.’
Instead they LIE. They say that 19 Muslim terrorists did the impossible on 9/11 and so the war on terror was born – born of the BIG LIE. They invent ‘weapons of mass destruction’ for the excuse to invade Iraq knowing all along that they would not find them. Leaked British government documents have proved that the cover story for the Iraq invasion was a lie from the start and the same people who lied to us about that were the same people who have told us the official story of 9/11.
They lie all the time because they have to lie – the truth would out them in jail. Sorry to put emphasis on 9/11 but it's the best example to show you how you have been deceived and still are!
This is not you or anyone else to blame but the pre-shaped educational system in each country and the controlled mass media which holds off the truth, the truth you mustn't know else they wouldn't have power and influence anymore.
Arthur Schopenhauer, a german philosopher, once said about the truth:
To consider the other side of a story - truth always hurts and requires to change the world view which IS uncomfortable! - requires an open mind (think outside the box!) and the will to put down old belief patterns.Quote:
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Originally Posted by Twicewise
Politics:noun;the art of deception
Anybody want to impeach Brush and have Cheney take over the helm? Not me!
There is only one thing for you guys to do. Start winning elections. Start winning Senatorial and Congressional elections and then the Presidency. Then you can make policy and appoint judges. Until then, you are the loyal opposition, empowered to make noise and criticize, not to govern.
Where have you found that? Oxford Advanced English Dictionary? :lol: :-D
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Originally Posted by rahly
Holy crap!! Is this for real??
Sorry to tell you that you really have no clue at all what is happening behind the curtains of politics.
Why Mickey, I’m so glad that you know what’s really going on in Bosnia, 8,000 miles away from Washington, and that I have no clue even though I live in the United States. Exactly what is the source of your insider information? Since you know what is really going on then you must have multiple, high level informants inside the U.S. government. Oh wait, you don’t do you. You’re getting all of your information from radical, left wing websights like MoveOn.org, Democracy Now, and Air America. Well, with sources like that you must REALLY know what’s going on.
What write here reads like a transcript from CNN or FOX News, this really says enough...
Micky, if you actually knew what was going on then you would know that CNN and FOX have very different journalistic policies. CNN is mostly biased to the left, and focus primarily on liberal causes, whereas FOX is mostly biased to the right and focuses on conservative causes. (But let’s remember here that Micky knows what’s really going on.)
You are so fascinated and manipulated by your government that you are even not willing to consider anything else. A typical - stuck your head in the sand - authority syndrome, never question or criticize any authorities; starting from the parents, school teachers, college profs, preachers, doctors up to governments and large corporations who only want your very best.
Well Micky, I’ve got enough courage to challenge you. If you really knew as much as you pretend to know then you would realize that the American political system is an adversarial system. In other words it is built around the idea of aggressive and pointed challenges against those in power. I happen to agree with much of what this president says. I did not agree with very much that the former president, President Clinton had to say. I vigorously opposed his policies and believed that they were bad for America. So which is it? Was I a courageous freedom fighter back then, but I’m a “stuck in the sand†puppet now? If I choose to support a president I agree with then it’s none of your business. And by the way, there are areas where I disagree with this president. I disagree with his immigration policy. I disagree with his stand on CAFTA. I disagree with his ban on importing pharmaceuticals from other countries. You do know what CAFTA is don’t you Mickey? After all you’re the one who know what he is talking about.
You gave up critical thinking and with it you gave all your responsibilities away to a few others. Did you know that democracy means that the folk controls the powers to be? But how is it really? Approx. 600 people control 280 millions! Do you realize that? Likely not.
I see, you can tell that I gave up critical thinking because I made a post that disagrees with you. Personally I think I’m doing pretty good thinking critically right now. And by the way Micky, America isn’t a democracy it’s a Constitutional Republic. And in a Constitutional Republic the 280 million people elect someone to represent them in Congress. Those 600 congressmen are doing their best to represent the 600 that are sitting back home. If you had ever listened to the debate on the floor of the Senate then you would know that there is no consensus of opinion among American lawmakers. There are vigorous debates about what American policy should be. Usually the debates are between conservative lawmakers and liberal ones, but not always. Sometimes the debate is between those who want greater privacy rights in America against those who want more government rights. Or sometimes the debate is between those who want to restrict the amount of money in political campaigns against those who want to increase the amount of money in political campaigns. – The point is that it is through vigorous debate that American policy is hammered out.
Oh, but the 600 people you were talking about aren’t congressman are they Mickey. No, you’re talking about a secret shadow government who runs everything behind the scenes. Let’s see, who is it that’s playing the role of shadow government this week. Is it the Council on Foreign Relations, could it be the John Birch Society, maybe it’s the Skull and Bones club. I can’t keep track, there are so many shadow governments these days. (Now since you really know what’s going on I can only assume that you have informants on the insides of these shadow governments as well.)
BUT USA is the one which wants to control the world and dictates ALL countries worldwide what to do in ALL matters. If it were Russia or an other country then of course they were to blame.
You know Mickey, 15 years ago it was the Soviet Union in your part of the world. You might want to ask some of the people in your own country whether you would have had the right to speak out against the Soviet Government the way you are the American government. And by they way, America doesn’t want to control you dirt poor little country. Of course I can’t prove we don’t want to control your country, but my informants in the shadow government are telling me that we don’t. And I’m gullible enough to believe every word they say.
You mix something up here, buddy, deliberately or not, but I never ever said something against American People but against the US Government. These are two different pair of shoes, so don't twist my words or try to tell I hate US people which definitely is not true.
With all due respect Mickey, when you criticize the American government you are criticizing the American people. 56 million Americans voted for this president and your words are demening to every one of them. We did elect this government, and we do stand behind it.
About historical events I won't go into a rebuttal here as everything what you described is totally biased or falsified. I'll pick up only two of your examples here, Bosnia was NEVER ever a dictatorship!
Uhmm, could be that you were right. I had the idea that it was a pretty authoritarian regime. Isn’t that the whole reason why Slobodon Mislovitch was overthrown? But it’s your country and you probably know more about it than I do. You might notice here Mickey that I am not claiming to know more about your country than you do. Seems like you could pay me the same courtesy and admit that I might know more about my country than you know. (Of course, with all your secret sources of information inside the government maybe you really do know something I don’t know.)
The next one is WWII. It is a proven fact that besides many german industrialists Prescott Bush (Father of Bush Sen.) and Rockefeller have financed Hitler with a good chunk of money to expedite the development of german military machinery.
So what!!! What does that have to do with whether America liberated France, Britain and other European nations from Naziism? Big deal, Prescott Bush gave some money to Hitler. From what I’ve heard Prescott Bush was a pretty screwed up guy. But you say this like it actually proves something. Does Prescott Bush’s actions mean that America did not liberate Europe from the rise of Naziism? I said it before, and I’ll, say it again. If it hadn’t been for America then all of Europe would be speaking German right now, and that includes you Mickey.
But when the lie involves elements in their own government and military conspiring with outside forces to orchestrate the horrific attacks of September 11th it’s all too much to absorb.
Alright, that is absolutely enough of that. I don’t really give a rat’s rear end who you are or where you live. The American Government did not conspire with terrorists to create 911. That is the most slanderous, vile, contemptible thing that you have said yet. But of course you don’t have any real proof that anything like that happened. All you have is the rambling of America hating liars who have fabricated all manner of falsehood about people they hate. If you have one single scrap of evidence that something like that occurred then bring it forth now. If not, then crawl back under the rock you came from. How dare you make this kind of accusation with no proof whatsover.
And let's go further. This is precisely what we have seen since 9/11 and with other engineered ‘terrorist’ attacks like the London bombings.
Oh, I see that you won’t be welcome in London anymore either. So I guess that Tony Blair and George Bush got together to kill innocent people in London. Exactly what is your evidence that this happened? But in your little make believe world you don’t really need any evidence do you. (But remember Mickey knows what is really going on.)
And I see that you didn’t answer any of the questions I asked you, so let me post them again just in case you forgot what they were.
1. Have you ever been to America? Do you even know what you’re talking about when you talk about Americans?
2. What is your plan to protect the world from the spread of militant Islam?
3. If your plan is so good then I will set up an appointment for you with President Bush and the two of you can plan out together how you are going to protect America and the rest of the world.
4. Have you ever served in the military? Have you ever risked your life in order to rescue someone who is enslaved by a tyrannical ruler?
5. Have you ever spoken to an American soldier? Have you asked that soldier how they feel about risking their lives to rescue ungrateful people like you?
6. Has your country been attacked by terrorists, and did 3,000 of your countrymen die in one day.
7. If your plan isn’t to hunt down the terrorists and blast their sorry butts off of the face of the earth, then what is your plan? (Maybe you should volunteer to carry the peace flag to the terrorists, and hope that they won’t cut your head off for the effort. In fact, I nominate Mickey to carry the flag of peace right now, who agrees with me.)
8. If you don’t want to fight the terrorists in Iraq where do you want to fight them. We are killing terrorists in Iraq everyday. So if Iraq is where the terrorists are then that’s where the American military ought to be as well. Maybe we could send the terrorists to your country and the war could be fought street to street in your hometown. (Because that’s what you’re asking me to do. You’re saying that I should pull the troops out of Iraq and wait for them to show up in my hometown so that I can fight them here.)
9. Here’s the last question. Are you living in a nation that would not be free if it hadn’t been for America? Millions of people are, and a whole lot of them are grateful that America was willing to stand up and fight with them. (Maybe you should ask the people of Iraq whether they want Saddam back again. That would probably settle this argument once and for all.)
And, you know Mickey, I apologize in advance for being so forceful in this reply. You probably really aren't too bad of a guy, you've just believed the lies that other people are telling you. But you know, when you accuse my country of being the master minds behind the worst terrorist attack in American history, then it raises my ire just a little. (You really shouldn't post fighting words unless you want to get into a fight.)
This is a notice, you will not be allowed to **** your vile filth here without being opposed. Your conspiracy lunacy simply is not welcome anymore. In fact, I'm hoping that the Mods will close down this forum. What do these kinds of fanciful conspiracy theories have to do with financial investment anyway?
- TwiceWise
I see, every further discussion with you is only a waste of time and energy, will lead us both to nowhere. It would be the same as Galilei repeatedly speaking in front of the flat-earth society.
TO MICKEY:
GOOD REPORTING> and good judgement not to keep engaging with those who ARE THE "BUSHES ans CHENEYS" who SUPPORT "them"
I realized its not the hand full of powerful ones who are able to pull all this off..
Its the little people who are just like them in mind
and who dont mind watching innnocent people getting bombed up everyday,
so THEY TOO can share in the seeming WEALTH and POWER, that the big guys have.
Bottom line, there are plenty of 'BUSH supporters" in ideaology...
IM afraid it looks more and more like a fight for the very peace of the planet.
I still say,
all you "Bush Supporters leave earth, stop killing it,
and go to a planet where you can fight and kill and maim, and poison each other, all you want, with WILLING participants.
Lots of people LOVE to be INJURED, you see this all the time on American TV. [boxing, and the like}. And love VIOLENCE. So be it .. GO!!!
OK so go for it ELSEWHERE and leave the rest of us alone.
Thats what i wish
PS. I myself am still doing these dreadful things as well, in my personal life, such as, using gasoline, killing things I dont like, etc...]
Great post, Mickey. Unfortunately it is going to take more time for the masses to wake up and understand WHO owns the TV stations, WHO owns the newspapers and WHO owns the radio stations (indeed, even Public Radio now). Hopefully, the integrity level of the mass consciousness will continue to rise and the awakening will happen sooner rather than later.
But it WILL happen becuase the pendulum swings in both ways. And when the masses do awaken - they will be mad as hell.
Oh yes, good analogy with the pendulum! It happens every ~13,000 years and now the pendulum starts to swing back ;-)
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Originally Posted by piccologal
Unless I'm mistaken,"politicus",or something like that,was the ancient greek term for "art of deception".
heh............
Twicewise......when you are part of one of the mightiest nations ever ,you don`t have to justify your nation to people who have `SOUR-grapes'. People like that remind me of little mutts(puppy dogs) yapping @ the heels of a great dane.Your President Bush has the`balls' to govern and to set GODLY principles which goes against the grain of most of this world, including islam.Quote:
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I thank GOD ALMIGHTY(JESUS CHRIST) for your country the U.S.A. :leader:
Regards
favour(South Africa)
Thank-you!!!!!!! This a country that people are trying to get in any way that they can!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Twicewise
And there are those who would die for freedom to express discontent. Tell me this please, In those countries that birth terrorism, what would happen to any one of them if they were to even post the slightest critism of thier country?
The way I see it is all of you are right. There are people controling populations by selling out for gains. there are people dying for someones freedoms everyday. There are evil people who want to take away our freedoms in the name of security, and bash the heads of anybody who diagrees as seen in Utah, New York and Alabama when people march or gather. There is people saving lives all over the world to stop the suffering. Americans care and pray and believe that thier leaders would do the right thing. For those that believe that the right or the left has anything to do with world agenda think again. Floods, famine, wars, talk of peace but no peace. Have you noticed the so called terrorist are gaining momentum. Who are the terrorists. It seems that Cheney has been lobbing for the ability to torture as if they havent already. We are starting to see the chain reaction that all of this national security has set upon our nation as we quible over who was responsible for the deaths of so many people in Alabama. and it seems that the chain reaction will evetually lead to president Bush on all accounts as we see indictments going forward on many levels in his administration. And as the earth rumbles with quakes, tidal waves and hurricanes and the wars are so common that they give everything the name war, reminds us of what Jesus warned us two thousand years ago Be aware of the signs of the time for when these things come to pass the time will be near! Soon we will have the ability to help many people as Bryan prepares us for the future. More than ever people around the world need help. When Bryan fixes our problems will we be strong enough to do what is right or should we do what we want. This national card thing should be a red flagg to all americans and peoples of the whole world. Lets just say no! It is an agenda to follow the patriot act to get us closer to a one world gov. and the mark of the beast. Will we be able to continue with this new program if we are under the corporate one world gov.!? I think not. PIPS would be doomed. Now I am rambling but food for thought. Lets look towards him who gives us the truth and quit believing the lies that destoy all that is good. Aloha Brant
As far as the national ID card I questioned all of my senators & congress people to reconsider this legislation & put my concerns to them about what would they do when someone found a way to alter & steal anothers ID? implant a chip ? I stated I would not submit to anything like that !! If more people would get involved it might do something , but most are too busy trying to survive & enjoy the little free time they have.Quote:
Originally Posted by pagehill
Nazism is alive and well in America,I'm afraid.It's just taken a different name;I think it's called Neo-conservatism now.
You know the old saying:if it looks,walks and talks like a duck,it's a duck.Don't anyone forget that the Bush patriarch was an ardent supporter of Adolph Hitler who was a "devout Catholic",but he was also obsessed with the occult;most world leaders were/are.
You might say that you can't blame Bush1 and Shrub for their patriarch's actions,but when they adopt his philosophy,you have to admit,it don't look good.
9-11 was Shrub's,whose Skull & Bones nickname,by the way,is Temporary,was his "reichstagg".He's only paving the way for the next U.S. dictator whose atrocities and cruelty will dwarf Shrub's administration's acts by a light-year.
You better wake up,Amerika,nothing is meant to be "temporary",except for goob's presidency;it's meant to escalate and become a never-ending tyranny.
Several "wars" have been declared by U.S. administrations over the last few decades,bringing only escalations of what they war against.They declared war on illiteracy,but there's more illiteracy;war on drugs,but there's more drugs;war on terrorism,but there will be more terrorism.No matter what they declare war on,there's always more of it to war against.That's because they feed what they war against.
The so-called war on terrorism is meant to go on for decades,as the administration has openly admitted on several ocasions,possibly generations.
But the rest of the world will soon have enough and they most certainly WILL declare war on Amerika because of it,and Amerika will most certainly be annihilated.And even though Canada and Mexico are NOT Amerika,the rest of the world will see them as such,seeing as they are Amerika's "allies".They also will be annihilated,along with Australia,New Zealand,South Africa,Britain,most Western European countries,possibly even France,that don't get taken over by force by the next superpower.
And don't forget:Shrub is a WAR PRESIDENT;he sets priorities and bases his decisions with WAR on his MIND.He's not in it to make peace.He and his cronies are making unbelievable money with this current war.True he's only a puppet,but that doesn't absolve him of anything."Evil has found a willing servant",to use his own vernacular.His policies and those of his successor will bankrupt the nation,selling the once proud people of the West into slavery,while he basks in untold wealth and security.
He'll not be made to suffer for it though,at least not in THIS lifetime;he's doing exactly what he's told to do,not by the American people,but by his *******.
rahly, you're full of s***. You sound like a terrorist yourself with the wild accusations you are making. We LOVE our President and we voted for him. Down with narrow minded people like you.
Are you for real??Quote:
Originally Posted by sivart
That's funny,sivart,that's really funny.Accusations I'm making?Me,a terrorist?I can't even begin to describe what's wrong with THAT statement.
Most all of what I've said was,is or will be documented fact.You should wake up and smell the sh*t from where it lays,or is it where it lies?
No,I'm no terrorist,I'm just wide awake in the early years of the 21st century.
I'd point you somewhere you might learn something,but it'd probably be a waste of both your time and mine.
Your "President" was NEVER elected,not in the way you would think.You may have voted for him,you may love him,but you can't speak for the rest of Amerika.
As for narrow minded,that's one thing I've never been accused of being;no-one I've known is more open minded than I.But,yes,down with narrow-minded people;I'll give you that.
rahly, what you are trying to tell sivart and the ill informed is to check out Diebold. Why should they? They are happy enough living in the disinformation world of CNN and FOX and the false left versus right propaganda. It will only take them out of their comfort zone to seek the truth. So sivart, twicewise etc., do not check out Diebold, it may be dangerous to your health. The Patriot Acts and Homeland Security will also put you in jail (concentration camp) if you dare find out the truth. Also stick with the official Bin Laden/911 fairy tale.
9/11 EVIDENCE NOW IN UTAH MAINSTREAM
NOVEMBER 11, 2005. On 9/11/01, when I wrote my first article on the WTC/Pentagon attacks, I stated that the explosions were the first things to analyze.
That was because I had already written a short book, in 1995, about the Oklahoma bombing. It was clear to me then that the truck bomb was a diversion. After consulting with several experts, I (and many others) saw that no bomb exploding out of a truck parked at the curb in front of the Murrah Building could have caused the profile of damage the building sustained.
There had to have been bombs previously placed on columns inside the building.
Of course, this completely chewed up the official scenario about what had happened on April 19, 1995.
So when I saw what happened to the WTC and the Pentagon, I automatically said, look at the explosions, look at the way the buildings react to the plane collisions.
I called one of the experts I had consulted on the Oklahoma case, and he said, "No, no. This one is different. There is no hidden situation here. It's exactly what you saw on TV."
He seemed to be too sure. He seemed to be too fast.
As we all know, since 9/11 there have been thousands of articles on the Internet about the way the buildings came down, about the "melting of the steel," about the obvious lies contained in the official scenario.
This information has reached millions and millions of people all over the world, and it has been dismissed as lunacy by arrogant major media outlets.
Here is a piece from the Deseret News dated yesterday. What struck me about it was the nearly matter-of-fact tone. This is a Utah paper that has been around a long time. The reporter, Elaine Jarvik, doesn't spend time trashing the source, a BYU professor. She doesn't scoff at him, doesn't bring in a parade of so-called experts to debunk his conclusions about the explosions on 9/11.
I know. The Deseret News is not The NY Times. But still. This is interesting. It reveals that counter-theories about 9/11 have already been reaching lots and lots of people, and so the newspaper didn't feel it had to load up and fire major barrages at the BYU professor right from the start.
Thursday, November 10, 2005
...professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled WTC By Elaine Jarvik Deseret Morning News
The physics of 9/11 — including how fast and symmetrically one of the World Trade Center buildings fell — prove that official explanations of the collapses are wrong, says a Brigham Young University physics professor.
In fact, it's likely that there were "pre-positioned explosives" in all three buildings at ground zero, says Steven E. Jones.
In a paper posted online Tuesday and accepted for peer-reviewed publication next year, Jones adds his voice to those of previous skeptics, including the authors of the Web site www.wtc7.net, whose research Jones quotes. Jones' article can be found at www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html.
"It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three (WTC) buildings," BYU physics professor Steven E. Jones says. Jones, who conducts research in fusion and solar energy at BYU, is calling for an independent, international scientific investigation "guided not by politicized notions and constraints but rather by observations and calculations.
"It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three buildings and set off after the two plane crashes — which were actually a diversion tactic," he writes. "Muslims are (probably) not to blame for bringing down the WTC buildings after all," Jones writes.
As for speculation about who might have planted the explosives, Jones said, "I don't usually go there. There's no point in doing that until we do the scientific investigation."
Previous investigations, including those of FEMA, the 9/11 Commission and NIST (the National Institutes of Standards and Technology), ignore the physics and chemistry of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, to the Twin Towers and the 47-story building known as WTC 7, he says.
The official explanation — that fires caused structural damage that caused the buildings to collapse — can't be backed up by either testing or history, he says.
Jones acknowledges that there have been "junk science" conspiracy theories about what happened on 9/11, but "the explosive demolition hypothesis better satisfies tests of repeatability and parsimony and therefore is not 'junk science.' "
In a 9,000-word article that Jones says will be published in the book "The Hidden History of 9/11," by Elsevier, Jones offers these arguments:
• The three buildings collapsed nearly symmetrically, falling down into their footprints, a phenomenon associated with "controlled demolition" — and even then it's very difficult, he says. "Why would terrorists undertake straight-down collapses of WTC-7 and the Towers when 'toppling over' falls would require much less work and would do much more damage in downtown Manhattan?" Jones asks. "And where would they obtain the necessary skills and access to the buildings for a symmetrical implosion anyway? The 'symmetry data' emphasized here, along with other data, provide strong evidence for an 'inside' job."
• No steel-frame building, before or after the WTC buildings, has ever collapsed due to fire. But explosives can effectively sever steel columns, he says.
• WTC 7, which was not hit by hijacked planes, collapsed in 6.6 seconds, just .6 of a second longer than it would take an object dropped from the roof to hit the ground. "Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum, one of the foundational laws of physics?" he asks. "That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors — and intact steel support columns — the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. . . . How do the upper floors fall so quickly, then, and still conserve momentum in the collapsing buildings?" The paradox, he says, "is easily resolved by the explosive demolition hypothesis, whereby explosives quickly removed lower-floor material, including steel support columns, and allow near free-fall-speed collapses." These observations were not analyzed by FEMA, NIST nor the 9/11 Commission, he says.
• With non-explosive-caused collapse there would typically be a piling up of shattering concrete. But most of the material in the towers was converted to flour-like powder while the buildings were falling, he says. "How can we understand this strange behavior, without explosives? Remarkable, amazing — and demanding scrutiny since the U.S. government-funded reports failed to analyze this phenomenon."
• Horizontal puffs of smoke, known as squibs, were observed proceeding up the side the building, a phenomenon common when pre-positioned explosives are used to demolish buildings, he says.
• Steel supports were "partly evaporated," but it would require temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit to evaporate steel — and neither office materials nor diesel fuel can generate temperatures that hot. Fires caused by jet fuel from the hijacked planes lasted at most a few minutes, and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in any given location, he says.
• Molten metal found in the debris of the World Trade Center may have been the result of a high-temperature reaction of a commonly used explosive such as thermite, he says. Buildings not felled by explosives "have insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal," Jones says.
• Multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence were reported by numerous observers in and near the towers, and these explosions occurred far below the region where the planes struck, he says. Jones says he became interested in the physics of the WTC collapse after attending a talk last spring given by a woman who had had a near-death experience. The woman mentioned in passing that "if you think the World Trade Center buildings came down just due to fire, you have a lot of surprises ahead of you," Jones remembers, at which point "everyone around me started applauding."
Following several months of study, he presented his findings at a talk at BYU in September.
Jones says he would like the government to release 6,899 photographs and 6,977 segments of video footage for "independent scrutiny." He would also like to analyze a small sample of the molten metal found at Ground Zero.
end Deseret article
JON RAPPOPORT www.nomorefakenews.com
More stupid conspiracy theorists (oops, they don't like being called that). LOL
You guys would fit well in the middle east, where they believe everything they read or hear and then go tell their buddies. Then they sit around and chat about it until their in enough of an uproar to throw rocks, shoot someone or blow themselves up.
I bet a lot of energy goes into all this paranoia.
You are the kind of guys who never figured out the boogeyman really isn't under your bed or in your closet. I'm right aren't I rahly, mickey, etc.
You guys are funny.
avcguy,
You're getting sleeepy,sleeeeepy...you can't keep your eyes open...sleeeeepy.
I guess you've never heard the following phrases:"conspiracy to commit fraud","conspiracy to commit murder",while I'm at it,why not "conspiracy to commit a conspiracy theory".
Those are actual crimes,for which people can stand trial,except for the last one,obviously.And under the law,conspiracy is as grave a charge as committing the actual crime.But I doubt that "conspiracy to reveal a conspiracy" is a crime.
Did you know that at least HALF of all Americans believe that goob and co. had foreknowledge of the Twin Tower attacks and chose not to act?
To you,that should mean that at least half of all Americans are "stupid conspiracy theorists".And that half is getting bigger all the time.It won't be long til you find yourself in the shrinking minority,too little too late,of course.
Have yourself a grrreat day.
Hi to all you Yanky supporters; :banana:
Just for the 2 cents worth - everything I need to know about the USA is taught to us by hollywood and the television. I know the USA invented and dropped the Atomic Bomb and its designer [Albert Einstein] was a Jew. I know the USA has developed AIDs as Bioweapon ( reference Nature magazine June 1968 Monash University Biomedical Library); I know America Wrote the global 2000 report released in 1975 claiming to reduce the worlds population to managable levels and aids was found to be prevelant a few years latter in the early 1980's.
I know the USA won't sign the KYOTO agreement even though thge polar caps are melting and greenhouse emissions are petrolium based. I know the USA wants Oil from Iraq and it went there to find weapons of mass destruction. I know the USA have found the weapons of mass destruction and told us all on the news. I know Bush is a Born Again Christian who does not lie otherwise if he lies in line with the Christian Bible at John 8:44 his father would be the devil. I know the USA has developed a polio Bioterrorist weapon which was on the internet, telling us on the news they had to develop it before someone else gets it. I know the USA backs Israel and I know 'The Protocols of Zion' are supported by them in secret.
I know the USA invented Computers and the microprocesser and the internet ( The micro processor was given to a Born-Again Christian by the holy spirit as discussed in the preface of my electronics book on the subject ); I know A UFO fell in the new mexico desert in 1947 and was latter taken to area 51 and the USA housed alien bodies for research - because USA people told me in their TV shows like X-Files and books an TV series such as the JEWish Speilberg film 'Taken' and the 4400. I know the USA can't spell english ( the mother language) and use fonetik [ha ha] wording - known as 'American' - my computer spells in "American".
I know America can't make a decent car thats economical but makes yank tank FORD cars which means "Fix Or Repair Daily" admidst other throw away junk because its cheaper. I know America invented Plastic from petrol. I also know Plastic takes decades to breakdown in the soil screwing up the enviroment. But thats not America's fault thats mine for throwing it away in the first place.
I know America invented the mobilefones and it gives out microwave radiation like my oven. I know microwaves cause cancer because the America banned book written in 1977 called 'The Zapping of America' which I found 3 copies of in the main Monash Uni Library. I know America is the world's police and have black uniforms and black Helicopters, just like our copycate Aussy blokes and parade around like the gestapo as in the puppet film 'Team America'. They told me so; I know this because america is out to rid the world of Evil terrorists because they are frightened of them. I also Know america has MIB - Men In Black.
I also know Bin Laden is a business partner to Bush and both have links to Halliburton, as told to me in the Micheal Moore USA film Farenheit 9/11 - that I got from my local USA owned Video shop next to MUCK Donalds. I also know Moore's 9/11 movie was nominated an oscar in our local News paper, so it has to be true. I know Holly wood means HOLY WOOD which is indicative of a spell on the mind, or mind control. And I know America is leading the world in mind control - because they told me so.
I know Australia is the 53rd state of the USA because John Howard told us all that on the TV. I went to america a few years ago and saw disney land and I got the WOW factor. One big money making fantasy world where all America is like Wacko Jacko's 'Neverland'. I also found Wacko Jacko was accused of Child Molesting - so it has to be a fact because it comes from American NEWS. What would we do if America was unable to protect us from those big bad terrorists. I'd probably get scared and have to buy a gun to protect myself and Join the Charlton Heston's NRA mindset.
So, to the averarge goyim like me "America must be God" because they want me to believe that. They must be right - for they are the biggest and best in everything they do and only have my welfare at heart. I'm just a humble Aussy follower. :toofunny:
HA HA HA - Im no Fool here. :beer:
Kimlyn