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    Was Saddam really that bad? Or, is the USA even worse? Let's not forget, that now. We have an Iranian influence, partially running the country of Iraq! Saddam was a brutal dictator no questions about it! However he did run that country better. Than the current Government is now running things! Also he did stand up against the Iranians! And was fully backed by the west and S.A.! The USA also acted in criminal malice for invading Iraq without cause! Like I said Saddam was a brutal dictator. However I think that the USA Government is just as bad! If not worse! Since the war now, how many Americans & Iraqis have been killed? Hundreds of thousands, a lot of lives would have been saved. If in fact Saddam was still in power! I think Saddams down fall came after the Iranian war! After that Iraq was in heavy debt. Then, he tried to save his country by invaded Kuwait. By having the argument that Kuwait once belonged to Iraq! And actually still should be Iraqi property. I am glad he was ousted though, or else we would not be sitting on our pot of gold! Most governments throughout the world treat the people forced to live under their rule horribly. Look at all of the poor people in the USA, living in poverty! Plus they are all under strict police state rule of presence! With very unfair laws and very long and unfair prison sentences! The USA is truly one big prison, whether a person is behind bars or not! Eighteen to thirty percent of population in the USA are being held against there will in prison camps! Plus a certain percent of those people are being held in worst conditions than those of Natzi Germany! Plus now any time someone is arrested. In the USA they are now charged and prosecuted with something they call felonies! Then once that person has the felony conviction on their record. They are then forever unemployable! So ask yourselfs this question. Then how are these people suppose to feed their families. They cannot get Government assistance! Cause the USA Government programs such as Welfar do not apply to exfelons. So the next time, one of these people break into your house to borrow food. You all can thank the USA Government!

    USA = PRISON COUNTRY.....................................

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    Was Saddam really that bad? Or, is the USA even worse? Let's not forget, that now. We have an Iranian influence, partially running the country of Iraq! Saddam was a brutal dictator no questions about it! However he did run that country better. Than the current Government is now running things! Also he did stand up against the Iranians! And was fully backed by the west and S.A.! The USA also acted in criminal malice for invading Iraq without cause! Like I said Saddam was a brutal dictator. However I think that the USA Government is just as bad! If not worse! Since the war now, how many Americans & Iraqis have been killed? Hundreds of thousands, a lot of lives would have been saved. If in fact Saddam was still in power! I think Saddams down fall came after the Iranian war! After that Iraq was in heavy debt. Then, he tried to save his country by invaded Kuwait. By having the argument that Kuwait once belonged to Iraq! And actually still should be Iraqi property. I am glad he was ousted though, or else we would not be sitting on our pot of gold! Most governments throughout the world treat the people forced to live under their rule horribly. Look at all of the poor people in the USA, living in poverty! Plus they are all under strict police state rule of presence! With very unfair laws and very long and unfair prison sentences! The USA is truly one big prison, whether a person is behind bars or not! Eighteen to thirty percent of population in the USA are being held against there will in prison camps! Plus a certain percent of those people are being held in worst conditions than those of Natzi Germany! Plus now any time someone is arrested. In the USA they are now charged and prosecuted with something they call felonies! Then once that person has the felony conviction on their record. They are then forever unemployable! So ask yourselfs this question. Then how are these people suppose to feed their families. They cannot get Government assistance! Cause the USA Government programs such as Welfar do not apply to exfelons. So the next time, one of these people break into your house to borrow food. You all can thank the USA Government!

    USA = PRISON COUNTRY.....................................
    some of this may be so, poverty, crime etc.....but we don't gas children with mustard gas, and tie grenades to kids and watch them blow up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldraker View Post
    Was Saddam really that bad? Or, is the USA even worse? Let's not forget, that now. We have an Iranian influence, partially running the country of Iraq! Saddam was a brutal dictator no questions about it! However he did run that country better. Than the current Government is now running things! Also he did stand up against the Iranians! And was fully backed by the west and S.A.! The USA also acted in criminal malice for invading Iraq without cause! Like I said Saddam was a brutal dictator. However I think that the USA Government is just as bad! If not worse! Since the war now, how many Americans & Iraqis have been killed? Hundreds of thousands, a lot of lives would have been saved. If in fact Saddam was still in power! I think Saddams down fall came after the Iranian war! After that Iraq was in heavy debt. Then, he tried to save his country by invaded Kuwait. By having the argument that Kuwait once belonged to Iraq! And actually still should be Iraqi property. I am glad he was ousted though, or else we would not be sitting on our pot of gold! Most governments throughout the world treat the people forced to live under their rule horribly. Look at all of the poor people in the USA, living in poverty! Plus they are all under strict police state rule of presence! With very unfair laws and very long and unfair prison sentences! The USA is truly one big prison, whether a person is behind bars or not! Eighteen to thirty percent of population in the USA are being held against there will in prison camps! Plus a certain percent of those people are being held in worst conditions than those of Natzi Germany! Plus now any time someone is arrested. In the USA they are now charged and prosecuted with something they call felonies! Then once that person has the felony conviction on their record. They are then forever unemployable! So ask yourselfs this question. Then how are these people suppose to feed their families. They cannot get Government assistance! Cause the USA Government programs such as Welfar do not apply to exfelons. So the next time, one of these people break into your house to borrow food. You all can thank the USA Government!

    USA = PRISON COUNTRY.....................................
    Please bring this to its own thread

    sorry you feel that way about the system. I can dispute many points with this and can side with some as well so I think I will leave it alone to save the thread. Thank you but this post should have its own thread, there I would post more of my thoughts.
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    Goldrakers post is exactly why I don't discuss Religion or Politics.

    Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldraker View Post
    Was Saddam really that bad? Or, is the USA even worse? Let's not forget, that now. We have an Iranian influence, partially running the country of Iraq! Saddam was a brutal dictator no questions about it! However he did run that country better. Than the current Government is now running things! Also he did stand up against the Iranians! And was fully backed by the west and S.A.! The USA also acted in criminal malice for invading Iraq without cause! Like I said Saddam was a brutal dictator. However I think that the USA Government is just as bad! If not worse! Since the war now, how many Americans & Iraqis have been killed? Hundreds of thousands, a lot of lives would have been saved. If in fact Saddam was still in power! I think Saddams down fall came after the Iranian war! After that Iraq was in heavy debt. Then, he tried to save his country by invaded Kuwait. By having the argument that Kuwait once belonged to Iraq! And actually still should be Iraqi property. I am glad he was ousted though, or else we would not be sitting on our pot of gold! Most governments throughout the world treat the people forced to live under their rule horribly. Look at all of the poor people in the USA, living in poverty! Plus they are all under strict police state rule of presence! With very unfair laws and very long and unfair prison sentences! The USA is truly one big prison, whether a person is behind bars or not! Eighteen to thirty percent of population in the USA are being held against there will in prison camps! Plus a certain percent of those people are being held in worst conditions than those of Natzi Germany! Plus now any time someone is arrested. In the USA they are now charged and prosecuted with something they call felonies! Then once that person has the felony conviction on their record. They are then forever unemployable! So ask yourselfs this question. Then how are these people suppose to feed their families. They cannot get Government assistance! Cause the USA Government programs such as Welfar do not apply to exfelons. So the next time, one of these people break into your house to borrow food. You all can thank the USA Government!

    USA = PRISON COUNTRY.....................................
    You gotta be kidding me
    Yes he was that bad, and worse. I'm sorry, you can't make a comparison between Saddam and our government and our way of life. Get real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldraker View Post
    Is it a good idea to start the `new` Iraqi economy with a note of 25,000 Iraqi dinars?

    KurdishMedia.com - By Rizgar Khoshnaw

    Yesterday, I read the text of Mr. Paul Bremer’s address to the Iraqi people regarding the budget and the new bank notes that will be in circulation on October 15, 2003. In detail, he outlined all of the funds to be allocated for all sectors of the economy as well as the new denominations of the incoming Iraqi dinar.

    It is a bad idea to start our new economy with such large notes of the new dinar that has a low value in the international arena.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------The new currency will replace the old "Swiss" dinar-used in Kurdistan, as well as "printed" dinars that is used for the rest of Iraq. Mr. Bremer told the participants of the economic forum that the new Iraqi dinar will be printed a range of denominations: in 50s; 250s; 1,000s; 5,000s; 10,000s and 25,000s respectably.

    Mr. Bremer’s decision on the new currency came after "consulting" with the Iraqi politicians. He said, "Everywhere I traveled in recent weeks, Iraqis have told me about these problems. So I have consulted with Iraqi political, economic and business leaders to find a solution." Furthermore, he said, " The solution is to print new bank notes."

    I am extremely happy to hear that Mr. Bremer is helping my people, but in the back of my mind I am questioning his intentions and truthfulness. What do I mean by truthfulness? What I mean is that there is no way in the world that Mr. Bremer can convince me, and I hope other Kurds as well, that he created the new Iraqi notes, their value and he chose the denominations of the currency.
    Americans at the treasury department are the ones that decide what currency will be used for Iraq, not Mr. Bremer.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------I have a very difficult time believing that the American government has given Mr. Bremer this unprecedented power to choose the new currency. When it comes to understanding finance, the Americans at the treasury department of the United States are untouchable, as they are extremely intelligent people. They are the ones that decide what currency will be used for Iraq, not Mr. Bremer.

    Many Iraqis might not understand the complexity of the power, or lack of power, of a country’s currency could mean to the economy and the future trade with foreign countries, but they should study it prior to giving it their seal of approval. The value of currency is very well connected with the country’s economic strength and therefore, a strong economy needs to have a strong and stable currency. If Iraq is going to prosper; it needs both a strong currency as well as a strong economy.

    In my honest opinion, it is not Mr. Bremer that decided on the new Iraqi notes, but the US government looking after its own future in Iraq. It is no secrete that the US will be the largest trading partner with Iraq in the coming years and therefore, they are looking a head to see how they can have a much stronger leverage when it comes to trading products and services with them. Of course, the US will make sure that the Iraqi currency will never be stronger than the dollar as it was twenty years ago when one dinar was equal to three dollars. They want to make sure that the Iraqis will never ever have an advantage against the Americans in every aspect.

    Few years ago, when Europe adopted the new currency, the Euro, they took the dollar into consideration prior to determining its value. In the end, the Euro was trading at parity with the dollar- and now it is hovering at the same level since it’s inception. Such trading value indicates a strong and stable Europe.

    One the other hand, the Turkish currency has depreciated over ten percent a year since 1997. Such decline in value has paralyzed the Turkish economy. On my first trip to Turkey six years ago, one hundred dollars was worth eighteen million Turkish Liras. On my trip last month, one hundred dollars bought me one hundred and fifty million Turkish Liras. As we can see here, the currency does affect the country’s economic strength and vise-versa.

    I am fully aware of the fact that Mr. Bremer is in charge of Iraq, but to approve a nine trillion dinars budget for Iraq, to be financed mostly by Iraqi oil revenue, is ridiculous. In his speech he said, "I have just approved the Iraqi budget for the remainder of this year." I hope that our politicians in Iraq do not "just approve" whatever he tells us! He should not be the ONE man to decide what is spent and how much it in Iraq. This should be the job and responsibility of the Iraqis and not one single man. There should be a team of experts inside Iraq to set a budget that is feasible to the Iraqis and implement it. Since the Kurdish politicians have such experience, I think this responsibility should be given to them to set the budget.

    Coming up with a budget for a country of 25 million inhabitants does not happen in a meeting or two or by one or two individuals. It is an extremely complex process and needs a great deal of time to have an accurate budget, or even close to an accurate one. We are talking about a country, not a small "Mom and pops" grocery store! In America, it takes hundreds of highly educated and experienced individuals many months to have a budget proposal established. In Iraq, it appears that it takes one man, a couple of meetings and few hours to determine the country’s budget! I cannot help but feel pessimistic about the future of Iraq if this is how we are going to start.

    Finally, I hope the politicians and the business leaders in Iraq will study the new currency very closely prior to signing off on the new notes. I personally think it is a bad idea to start our new economy with such large notes of the new dinar that has a low value in the international arena. Our politicians need to put some serious thoughts into this before the notes are printed.

    how is this a goody?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldraker View Post
    Was Saddam really that bad? Or, is the USA even worse? Let's not forget, that now. We have an Iranian influence, partially running the country of Iraq! Saddam was a brutal dictator no questions about it! However he did run that country better. Than the current Government is now running things! Also he did stand up against the Iranians! And was fully backed by the west and S.A.! The USA also acted in criminal malice for invading Iraq without cause! Like I said Saddam was a brutal dictator. However I think that the USA Government is just as bad! If not worse! Since the war now, how many Americans & Iraqis have been killed? Hundreds of thousands, a lot of lives would have been saved. If in fact Saddam was still in power! I think Saddams down fall came after the Iranian war! After that Iraq was in heavy debt. Then, he tried to save his country by invaded Kuwait. By having the argument that Kuwait once belonged to Iraq! And actually still should be Iraqi property. I am glad he was ousted though, or else we would not be sitting on our pot of gold! Most governments throughout the world treat the people forced to live under their rule horribly. Look at all of the poor people in the USA, living in poverty! Plus they are all under strict police state rule of presence! With very unfair laws and very long and unfair prison sentences! The USA is truly one big prison, whether a person is behind bars or not! Eighteen to thirty percent of population in the USA are being held against there will in prison camps! Plus a certain percent of those people are being held in worst conditions than those of Natzi Germany! Plus now any time someone is arrested. In the USA they are now charged and prosecuted with something they call felonies! Then once that person has the felony conviction on their record. They are then forever unemployable! So ask yourselfs this question. Then how are these people suppose to feed their families. They cannot get Government assistance! Cause the USA Government programs such as Welfar do not apply to exfelons. So the next time, one of these people break into your house to borrow food. You all can thank the USA Government!

    USA = PRISON COUNTRY.....................................
    What are you smoking? Are you really as ignorant as you sound? Maybe with the dinar you make you can buy yourself an education.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldraker View Post
    Was Saddam really that bad? Or, is the USA even worse? Let's not forget, that now. We have an Iranian influence, partially running the country of Iraq! Saddam was a brutal dictator no questions about it! However he did run that country better. Than the current Government is now running things! Also he did stand up against the Iranians! And was fully backed by the west and S.A.! The USA also acted in criminal malice for invading Iraq without cause! Like I said Saddam was a brutal dictator. However I think that the USA Government is just as bad! If not worse! Since the war now, how many Americans & Iraqis have been killed? Hundreds of thousands, a lot of lives would have been saved. If in fact Saddam was still in power! I think Saddams down fall came after the Iranian war! After that Iraq was in heavy debt. Then, he tried to save his country by invaded Kuwait. By having the argument that Kuwait once belonged to Iraq! And actually still should be Iraqi property. I am glad he was ousted though, or else we would not be sitting on our pot of gold! Most governments throughout the world treat the people forced to live under their rule horribly. Look at all of the poor people in the USA, living in poverty! Plus they are all under strict police state rule of presence! With very unfair laws and very long and unfair prison sentences! The USA is truly one big prison, whether a person is behind bars or not! Eighteen to thirty percent of population in the USA are being held against there will in prison camps! Plus a certain percent of those people are being held in worst conditions than those of Natzi Germany! Plus now any time someone is arrested. In the USA they are now charged and prosecuted with something they call felonies! Then once that person has the felony conviction on their record. They are then forever unemployable! So ask yourselfs this question. Then how are these people suppose to feed their families. They cannot get Government assistance! Cause the USA Government programs such as Welfar do not apply to exfelons. So the next time, one of these people break into your house to borrow food. You all can thank the USA Government!

    USA = PRISON COUNTRY.....................................




    I could keep going
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldraker View Post
    Was Saddam really that bad? Or, is the USA even worse? Let's not forget, that now. We have an Iranian influence, partially running the country of Iraq! Saddam was a brutal dictator no questions about it! However he did run that country better. Than the current Government is now running things! Also he did stand up against the Iranians! And was fully backed by the west and S.A.! The USA also acted in criminal malice for invading Iraq without cause! Like I said Saddam was a brutal dictator. However I think that the USA Government is just as bad! If not worse! Since the war now, how many Americans & Iraqis have been killed? Hundreds of thousands, a lot of lives would have been saved. If in fact Saddam was still in power! I think Saddams down fall came after the Iranian war! After that Iraq was in heavy debt. Then, he tried to save his country by invaded Kuwait. By having the argument that Kuwait once belonged to Iraq! And actually still should be Iraqi property. I am glad he was ousted though, or else we would not be sitting on our pot of gold! Most governments throughout the world treat the people forced to live under their rule horribly. Look at all of the poor people in the USA, living in poverty! Plus they are all under strict police state rule of presence! With very unfair laws and very long and unfair prison sentences! The USA is truly one big prison, whether a person is behind bars or not! Eighteen to thirty percent of population in the USA are being held against there will in prison camps! Plus a certain percent of those people are being held in worst conditions than those of Natzi Germany! Plus now any time someone is arrested. In the USA they are now charged and prosecuted with something they call felonies! Then once that person has the felony conviction on their record. They are then forever unemployable! So ask yourselfs this question. Then how are these people suppose to feed their families. They cannot get Government assistance! Cause the USA Government programs such as Welfar do not apply to exfelons. So the next time, one of these people break into your house to borrow food. You all can thank the USA Government!

    USA = PRISON COUNTRY.....................................
    Goldraker, You are a very intelligent person in your field. However you don't know dip about the U.S., its penal system or its welfare system. My X-wife was convicted of three counts of manslaughter and is working full time in the transportation industry. My former sister in laws husband was a convicted crack dealer and because he was so hooked on his product he collected welfare for most of his useless life. I also noticed that you don't seem to be proud enough of where you live to post your flag. Hmmmmmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldraker View Post
    Was Saddam really that bad? Or, is the USA even worse? Let's not forget, that now. We have an Iranian influence, partially running the country of Iraq! Saddam was a brutal dictator no questions about it! However he did run that country better. Than the current Government is now running things! Also he did stand up against the Iranians! And was fully backed by the west and S.A.! The USA also acted in criminal malice for invading Iraq without cause! Like I said Saddam was a brutal dictator. However I think that the USA Government is just as bad! If not worse! Since the war now, how many Americans & Iraqis have been killed? Hundreds of thousands, a lot of lives would have been saved. If in fact Saddam was still in power! I think Saddams down fall came after the Iranian war! After that Iraq was in heavy debt. Then, he tried to save his country by invaded Kuwait. By having the argument that Kuwait once belonged to Iraq! And actually still should be Iraqi property. I am glad he was ousted though, or else we would not be sitting on our pot of gold! Most governments throughout the world treat the people forced to live under their rule horribly. Look at all of the poor people in the USA, living in poverty! Plus they are all under strict police state rule of presence! With very unfair laws and very long and unfair prison sentences! The USA is truly one big prison, whether a person is behind bars or not! Eighteen to thirty percent of population in the USA are being held against there will in prison camps! Plus a certain percent of those people are being held in worst conditions than those of Natzi Germany! Plus now any time someone is arrested. In the USA they are now charged and prosecuted with something they call felonies! Then once that person has the felony conviction on their record. They are then forever unemployable! So ask yourselfs this question. Then how are these people suppose to feed their families. They cannot get Government assistance! Cause the USA Government programs such as Welfar do not apply to exfelons. So the next time, one of these people break into your house to borrow food. You all can thank the USA Government!

    USA = PRISON COUNTRY.....................................
    Goldraker have you been dippin into Susie's stash again... Man, if you believe this country is as bad as Saddam then I don't know what to say but wow. If you are alluding to truly being free that is one thing, but Saddam lined innocent people up and shot them in the back of the head, gased women and children just to scare everyone into submission.

    If you want complete freedom you can always dissapear into the wilderness, no one will bother you. Just drive your car into the boonies and throw away your compass. Throw up your hands and shout FREEDOM at last, FREEDOM at last....

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