Thread: Bryan lied from the start

so am i to understand that you,nej.having started smoking again is the same thing as Bryan lying to thousands of pipsters and stealing millions of dollars????....hmmmmm...the only one u hurt by smoking again is yourself and perhaps your daughter....Bryan's lies have hurt a lot more people then that.....not even close to being the same...and as i always said since way back...there are just some people in here on this forum that will ALWAYS believe what they want to...staying POSITIVE is great.....but continuing to see something that IS not is BLIND FAITH....the man is a LIAR....once a LIAR always a LIAR.....Pat

Originally Posted by rolbuddy

You could be wrong couldn't you?


Consider this:

What if he meant what he said at the time that he said it?

What if conditions changed? Is it not just as possible that he changed his mind?

If this is the case (which I doubt it), then he should have let us know.

He is still pimping 10by5 on another forum and still pretending to be Barry James. Reading more of his BS I decided to post this.

(Beerhunter @ Aug 16 2006, 06:43 AM)

Please people, I urge you to do some DD and you will find that Barry James is in fact Bryan Marsden by his own admission. If you don't know who Bryan Marsden is then I suggest you find out before you invest anything.

Then a few didn't know who BM is so I replied

[quote name='Beerhunter' date='Aug 16 2006, 01:00 PM' post='2642330']
I never said that 10x5 is a scam. It is just run by a scammer. Bryan Marsden (or Barry James as he likes to call himself now) is the biggest scammers since Charles Ponzi himself. He owes a lot of money to a lot of people and has used his charity ploy many times including now. Look into PIP's, Golden Womb, HA Lotto to name a few. Just like his other scams, the early ones get paid and the rest get screwed. He is currently being investigated by Bank of Negara in Maylasia and my understanding is that he is being detained in Maylasia. So, if you still want to invest, go ahead but be forwarned that many of you will get screwed like so many others previously.

This is BM's response

[quote name='bjft' date='Aug 16 2006, 06:32 PM' post='2643763']
Beerhunter,

You want to tell the people of Indonesia or the children of Ecuador that the $12,000 in aid they are receiving is a scam.

You want to tell the members of 10 by 5 that are being paid they are being scammed.

Neither you or anyone else is being asked to invest any money this is not an HYIP, it is a humanitarian aid program where you are being asked to donate $10 for aid, the bonus being that you can also earn from it and many members are doing that.

One last point, if BM is detained how can he get access to the internet and run a program.

Notice how acts as if BM is someone else.

I pity those who still hopes for PIPS to come clean.

What I knew from the investigation were these facts:
1. Bryan still have millions in his offshore accounts-BNM couldnt touch those.
2. He will probably being charged under "operating without license"
3. All the funds seized will not be given back to investors.

and the most frustated part is when I look into the eyes of the investigation officer and asked this :"why PIPS failed to pay investors few months before BNM came into picture?" he said that :"Bryan said they have no money because he depends on new injection of funds from investors (ponzi style)". I remember asking this question 3 times as I wanted to be very sure.

From that moment...I never look back, already trash my hopes & never believe anything started by Mr. Marsden.

Take care.

Originally Posted by Pippyman

Hey way2go

I would say that Bryan M. lies go way back before this forum. I remember on one of his tours he explicitly stated that when ever he opens a new company or venture he always does the proper paper work and registration. And that he is legal in all countries of the world. And that the SEC and Federal Reserve had OKed the 3% program that was to open up. As we now know this was not the case. Picpay was not registered as it should have been under the Currency Act of Malaysia. And obviously all the others had to have been lies also because Pips or its companies would not be in this mess right now and US Attorney General in 7-8 US states would not be releasing Cease and Desist Orders...... Just my take.... if you look back even farther the lies started way back.

And that's the jist of it. This is why I, and many others got involved with PIPS when we normally would not have been involved with anything like this---he stood up there on repeated occasions and promised that he had ALL the bases covered. He assured everyone, repeatedly, that he had it all figured out. Obviously, he didn't have all the bases covered... and I also think back to all the occasions where things weren't quite adding up, but out of optimism and a desire for things to be okay, I'd ignore those tell tale signs.

As for the people who STILL blindly stand behind Bryan... I don't know what to tell you guys. It seems Bryan has an excuse for everything, and people will always believe him. But, starting up new programs under fake names, when your old, mis-managed program is under investigation and in the dumps (owing us millions) just does not look good. Period.

I don't know where to begin with my anger over what Bryan said. He has NEVER been upfront in his posts in here. He has NEVER been supportive of any of the PIPS members who post in here asking for information. He has ALWAYS been antagonistic towards members who simply want to know what is happening. He has lied to everyone, misled everyone, treated everyone like dirt.

And if someone DARES to ask Bryan a QUESTION, Bryan jumps on him, calling him unsupportive. BRYAN is the one who has never given ANY support to ANY of the members in here. He has NEVER shown any compassion to us, any kind of understanding. If he would have ONE TIME said something like "I'm sorry", or "hang in there", or "I'm on your side", but no...instead he said "leave me alone", and "it's all your fault, not mine", and "I will not talk to anyone".

Bryan has NEVER ONCE taken responsibility for what happened with PIPS, it is always someone else's fault. And now he does the same thing, blaming Marek for Bryan's own deceit. Bryan lies, Marek asks about the lies, and Bryan says it's Marek's fault PIPS is gone. Nice humanitarian, huh?

So Bryan's gonna stay away? Gee what else is new? I hope his 12x12 gets condemned, and him too.

this has been my point all along since i joined this forum in january. the trick is how to "see" through the hype, the too good to be true financial offer, of course, but even more importantly the people behind the promotion (and those who defend it): a certain demeanor, a relaxed smile but with a lot of pressure behind it ("get in now before the train leaves the station"), a moving quickly beyond the basic facts to the everlasting paradise to be and thereafter forgetting/glossing over the facts, an arrogance and condescending attitude denying anything to the contrary, an underlying contempt for someone who points to the truth...

i can say this since i was never duped into joining pips or any other hyip. i was presented with the "wonders of pips" last july05 and saw through it immediately. not just the program itself, but the person presenting it, this one an unfortunate "true believer" like many here - eyes glazed over. i saw through it but my partner didn't, which led me to do research and to talkgold and later to rolclub. i have stayed to watch because i was astounded/fascinated at the level of naivite but - much worse - the outright contempt/aggressive mind control tactics, ugly human behavoir and naked censorship -- all to protect what? the truth? dignity? honour? no, just hardened egos of frightened people, and nothing more. especially pathetic are those who "met the man up close" and therefore "knew" something others didn't, when in truth they were simply exposed to the hype with no filters and were duped to the core, a hard thing to admit.

if you ask the right questions, you get to the true colors much faster... that is why my posts (and of many others speaking the plain truth here) usually manage to push the buttons of those well known "guardians of the truth" around here into lightning fast ugly personal attacks (we know who they are).... it is so easy to get under their skin if you know how to expose bullSXXT... and i must say, not just a little entertaining.

asking the right questions gets you to the truth faster; but you must be able to "see" in order to ask the questions.... which is the sad truth of what has happened here; apparently seeing is believing, but for most just hearing about it is not. my hope is that many here will learn valuable lessons here so as not to be similarly duped in the future -- not from me, heavens no! but from their own experience.

one more thing, though: many here are into the idea of creating their own world through positive thought, etc. let me just point out that you do this whether you are conscious of it or not, to wit, you have already done it; in all cases, your soul is trying to create the best world possible for you, SO: for heaven's sake LISTEN TO THE VOICES YOU HAVE CREATED AROUND YOU, even and especially when they run contrary to your ego-mind. your soul creates those alternate voices precisely to cut through your ego. listen.

while i have tried to be such a voice, i quickly realised that folks here were NOT ready for such advice; so i have stuck around simply to watch the slow demise like a good novel, the turning over of opinions, dropping of heads and never ending radicalisation as in the french revolution, the human laboratory, and witness the bigger falling harder.... eventually, truth always trumps tyranny.

it's not over yet! i was gone a mere seven weeks and now, to quote hendrix, "i come back to find the stars misplaced, and the smell of a world that's burning"

happy trails

What all these posts choose to forget is that a large number of people invested in Golden Womb - which was not the brain-child of BM - and he bailed us out when GW went belly up. Without him there would have been great losses for the GW investors.

Everything was progressing well until HSBC was accused of money-laundering under the infamous Patriot Act of G W Bush. After that no payment platform was prepared to take on PIPS with all the withdrawals that members were making on a daily basis. The members were to blame there.

I would suggest that you read the thread The Humble Summary to learn about the history of PIPS.

Bryan had no alternative than to use an alias for 10 x 5.

Marek had to confront Bryan because someone involved the FBI.

[Remember that no government other than that of the country in which the alleged fraudulent activity takes place can take action against the perpetrator of the alleged fraud. The USA thinks that it can ride roughshod of the other nations of the world especially if the other governments allow it to by ratifying one sided treaties.]

Originally Posted by way2go

When he introduced Halotto, he said that is in fact former PipsAid - the only PIPS program allowed to function because it was not investigated. He stressed that he won't start new programs. He affirmed that NB knows about Halotto. All were lies. He never informed NB about Halotto. He started new programs under alias names.

He recently had the chance to come clean and to fix all the damage he did. But his reaction confirms that he does not have any conscience and he never takes responsibility for his actions.

How can a person be Humanitarian while continuously displaying disrespect, arrogance and disregard toward the people who are at the foundations of his humanitarian acts?

I agree plus I loved how the Admin told Brian Marsyden off and How he created alais to start other programs a ture Humanitarian would of used the money to help members re-establish their loses, in stead of stealing our money and running. He's were he's at in a 12 by 12 because he was uncorporative. yet, I don't believe it how can someone who made millions be in a 12 by 12 and still have money to creat other probelms and try to CON US and manipulate us to hand over our money to him Like IDOITS what we work hard to make him rich give me a break. ( I am happy the Admin told Him Off) I don't feel sorry for him one bit ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS SEND ONE POST A MONTH AND HE COULDN'T EVEN DO THAT.

Originally Posted by chantryhil5

What all these posts choose to forget is that a large number of people invested in Golden Womb - which was not the brain-child of BM - and he bailed us out when GW went belly up. Without him there would have been great losses for the GW investors.

BM was the owner of the clones. GW only brought the ideea and took care of the membership. BM colected the money and implemented the program. You can't say he bailed us out, as all of us paid our way in clones and he rolled this money in PIPS. For one $850 paid clone position, one got a $450 position in PIPS. I paid 2 positions ($1700) in clones, which brought me about $40 income, and I received two PIPS positions of $450 each. So it seems like I bailed BM instead him bailing me.

Originally Posted by chantryhil5

Everything was progressing well until HSBC was accused of money-laundering under the infamous Patriot Act of G W Bush. After that no payment platform was prepared to take on PIPS with all the withdrawals that members were making on a daily basis. The members were to blame there.

VAT was working hard to implement the platform requested by Bryan (after he ceased to use the existing platform which was working quite well). The new platform was implemented, and up to this day BM didn't have the decency to inform us why didn't he signed the contract.

Regarding members daily withdrawals, Bryan was begged by the members to put a limitation on withdrawals, and he consistently ignore all those requests, affirming in a few occasions that the withdrawal frequency is not a problem.

Originally Posted by chantryhil5

Bryan had no alternative than to use an alias for 10 x 5.

Bryan had the alternative to obey the law, ask NB for permission to launch 10x5 and inform from the start the host that he is temporary under investigation. This way he would prevent the program to be shut down.