Thread: PIPS/10x5/BM - Objective Point of View

Hey Newlife...where do u get off calling people ignorant???you come in this forum and bash everybody who is not a "BRYAN" follower....u like LIARS,THIEVES,and people who use FRAUD to MANIPULATE people to DONATE money to them?.....Marek did what he had to do...and was supposed to do...TRUTH....do you and your fellow "BRYAN" coholics understand what that is???i DOUBT it very seriously...finally people have gotten to see the real "BRYAN MARSDEN" or is it "BARRY JAMES"...his "TRUE" colors rose to the top....and that is "FACTS"....Pat

Originally Posted by nej

The entire forum population seems to now be split into pro-BM and anti-BM camps. With many more in the anti camp than in the pro camp. I don't believe this is neccessarily correct. To paraphrase what Hasse said in response to one of my posts in another thread: Most are seeing in black and white, yet there are shades of grey here as well.

Before I start this probably lengthy post, let me state my position. I firmly believe Marek did the right thing (those who accuse him of now causing the death of 10x5/Pips are, frankly, stupid). I firmly believe BM was wrong to deceive. I firmly believe that BM has not acted in a proper fashion with regard to his postings to Marek. BUT, and this is important, I DO NOT believe this is conclusive proof of him being a conman.

FACT - PIPS was raided by BNM and is under investigation.
FACT - BM has since then lived a difficult existance. I realise many members have also.
FACT - We were all told not to "Loan" more than we could afford. Those who did so have to take some responsibility for their own hardship. Sorry, but it's true.
FACT - Until BNM finish their investigation WE DO NOT KNOW if there is any money or if we were lied to. Therefore WE CANNOT JUDGE THIS YET.

UNKNOWN - The reason why HALotto disappeared. We do not know for sure if it was pulled by BNM, if BM closed it because he received threats, or if he took the money and ran. Closing a program a few days after opening does not seem like a good way of stealing money. He would surely have got more by waiting a few weeks.
OUTCOME - We cannot accuse BM of stealing this money because WE DO NOT KNOW YET.

FACT - BM starts 10x5 (plus MechCash and maybe others) under pseodonyms. The reasons for doing this are obvious. If he started something under his name, it would attract a lot of bad attention and would fail. It seems 10x5 was doing fairly well. This probably would not have happened had it been under BM's name. Plus, he would have had to field difficult questions about HALotto, which may be out of his control legally. WE DO NOT KNOW.

FACT - BM was WRONG to lie and deceive. This is perhaps illegal (obtaining money through deception?), but I understand his reasons. However I do not condone them. One possibility (and it is only that) is that he was acting out of a kind of desperation rather than a deliberate attempt to deceive. His mistake was launching 10x5 at all. This should not have launched.

FACT - BM was RIGHT to lie to Marek initially. Well, maybe not "right", but my take on this is that had he told Marek he was Barry James from the start, Marek would have been in an untenable position. It was better for Marek and the rest of the Rolclub team that they were not aware.

FACT - BMs response to Marek was not very "mature". But again, I understand why. He was angry and embarrassed. I might have acted the same way myself. Hopefully, should BNM give good news, the air can be cleared between these two men and their friendship resumed.

FACT - BM should have updated members on Pips. Even if he had no more news, a quick "Hi, sorry, no news as yet" would have been enough. However we know from past experience that Bryan does not have the best communication skills.

So.... what do we have? A con-man trying to steal our money through lies and deception? Or the actions of a desperate man, trying to improve his meagre existance and perhaps help others at the same time?

The ONLY thing that will tell us the TRUTH, is the results of the investigation by Bank Negara Malaysia. Until then, WE SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW.

Should BNM give the thumbs down, then BM will have his come-uppance and will probably face jail. He will pay the price for what he did. Should they give the thumbs up, how many of you currently pouring vitriol will quietly slink back to Pips to get to your accounts?

People should reserve their judgements until then.

Let the flaming begin....

-Neil.

Please don't help the thieves in this world.All CEO's who are not honest alway run eventually.

wondering if ROL Club will continue to hold a position in the cycler, while not encouraging new membership under them in the program.

I personally believe that Neil's post that started this thread is the most balanced and well thought out assessment of this situation. All of the mudslinging and blaming, etc. is unneccessary. His post should be made a sticky as far as I am concerned and the rest of these threads should be laid to rest. Excellent post.

Originally Posted by sparkee

I personally believe that Neil's post that started this thread is the most balanced and well thought out assessment of this situation. All of the mudslinging and blaming, etc. is unneccessary. His post should be made a sticky as far as I am concerned and the rest of these threads should be laid to rest. Excellent post.

Yes, objectively reviewing the assessment as he typifies the consequences profoundly laid out, I would agree that this is an impartial opportunity for recap and re-evaluation to clearly scritinise where it has all led to and what can and would the outcome be with clear headed decisions resulting from the quagmire that is now an irrefutable fact not to be oblivion about.

A further potent string of elements taken place and subject for good discussion without any disrespect shown for another person's right of opinion.

I will have this become a Sticky and rather than allow the flaming of each other, let the understanding and tolerance for oversightedness and failure of judgement be tolerated and room made to pave for those now realising their mistake for having their trust and kindness be treated and taken for granted as weakness.



YB. - cheers to the RC CARE Group...

Originally Posted by danny51

The perfect investigation result will be for Marsden to be found guilty and jailed for a very long time AND for the BNM to announce that there is just enough money left after investigation expenses to make those who are not in profit whole...then it is OVER.

Surely the perfect investigation result is that all the money is there, everything was above board, BM was telling the truth to us the whole time, and that BNM will assist Pips in getting a good banking relationship going, so that pending and future WD's can be paid out?

Hmm, it's a shame that some of the posts were removed (i.e. newlife's). I don't check the forum at home, only at work (I prefer to spend my home time with my wife, daughter and baby son. Thats the "Bigger Picture" people - you should try it sometime!)

Because of this I'm unsure whether he was referring to my post or not. If he was, I fail to see how I was "blunt and immature".

sparkee - thank you for your kind words.

its posters like NEWLIFE and LEFTYKEN who come on here and blast anybody that has a difference of opinion then theres that are the real problem...they are so blinded by Byran that they refuse to see anything clear...i don't mind if u have a difference of opinion...this is a forum...no need to call anyone names like moron,immature,crappers,ignorant and so forth....IMHO...Pat

Neil, nicely done!!

YB....adster=BM? LOL!! LOL!!!


Sometimes you all make me laugh!!

Originally Posted by OICU812

At this point the only thing im interested in is at least getting back my original investment, i dont really care if pips comes back or not.

I feel the same way.

PIPS will return?

Just return my original investment and the money I sent for the 3% Program, so I can walk away from this trainwreck.