Been here since the very beginning but may not be around for the very end of soon to be the resurrected and restructured PIPS several years from now.
Ray
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Been here since the very beginning but may not be around for the very end of soon to be the resurrected and restructured PIPS several years from now.
Ray
Do tell......"OWES" you....... now THAT's interesting
Arcturus
[Withdrawn as he will not be able to "tell" me anything now]
yw way2go.... we all see the world thru different 'glasses' :redface:Quote:
Originally Posted by way2go
not acknowledging that would, in itself, be bad manners.
Put me in the pips to return list.
Seahawk
So if a person chooses to face reality, as in wait for the resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by everwiser
of the investigation, instead of choosing one side or the other,
that person has no "guts"?
Wow! This whole fiasco becomes more entertaining as a result
of no solid facts! (Positive or negative)
I would agree, somewhat, Hesitatenot, with the assessment. But, the message is sound.
If I may be so bold, perhaps, EW, it would have been more clear to have said that those who vaccillate between pro and con, rather than those sitting on the sidelines waiting for the outcome, should also have their own category.
This being the case, we would then have:
Pro
Con
Neutral
Invertebrates
4D? Any comments?
Arcturus
P.S. HNot: No solid facts? Really? I beg to differ a bit..........
of course, that being said, my rose colored's are the only way2go... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by second mouse
lol... I am too funny!!! :noserious
:tongue:
If it isn't too late please put DRAGONMOM on the YES, YES, YES, PIPS WILL RETURN (but not as it was) list!!! Bright blessings to ALL!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcturusI
I suppose testicularly challenged would not be politically correct. :blush:
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Thats alright then...WELCOME back!:thumbsup: and be good yeah...:beer:Quote:
Originally Posted by weathernut
YB.
Amazing how some folks can stand up and really make an issue of a minor topic... Really, a person needs to look at themselves at this juncture, and have some thoughts! What is everyones?
1. YES Bryan, I still see your vision. Times are tough, but still believe in what your vision has been..
2. On the other hand, we have the trolls that say, NO Bryan, never think you were capable..
3. Moving beyond that, you have some that say, at one time yes, but NOW, NO, I don't believe anymore..
We could really push the envelope and say we could possibly have two more items on the list...
4. Like, those (GN & WW maybe?) who HOPE Bryan doesn't bring Pips back.
5. Finally, you have the ones that wish to sit on a fence and watch both sides... Doesn't come back, they can say, I knew it all along. Does come back, they can say, I knew it all along..
Goes back to the thread in the original Pips forum... Either you believe in Bryan Marsden, or you DON'T... Something had to trigger YOUR belief to loan this company money! Last I seen, nobody walked up and down the streets saying, you WILL give them money.. It was of your free will...
So don't come back to me or anybody else in this forum and poke at them for their beliefs... Somebody will eat crow in the end, and if it happens to be me, then I will be the first one to stand in line and grab my share....!
MY OPINION IS MINE, and NOBODY HERE WILL CHANGE THAT!! :nono:
AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, ME, MYSELF, AND I believe PIPS will return!! :biggrin:
4D :cheers:
PIPS will return...add me too...livngud....NC, USA
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Pips WILL RETURN!!
Add me please!
H@sch , France
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If these negative folks 'say' they don't have hope that PIPS will return....why do they keep 'checking in'....What makes it so fun for them to try to bring us all down...(those of us who voice our hopes)?? Positive thinking...Positive posts...that's what we want to see here...(and facts, if we can get them)
Livngud...NC USA
But you are wrong. I am sitting on the fence because I do not know if it will be back or not. I don't have any proofs or facts to push me to one side of the fence or onother. If it comes back, I will be happy for getting my money. If it doesn't, I will be sad because I will be without money. To throw in others face that I was right is out of my mind as it won't give me any satisfaction. Nothing fits with your assumptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4dataxman
The fact that I trusted that Bryan is honest and I gave him my money doesn't give me the certainity that he invested the money properly and got the required return. Not because he tried to still our money, but maybe some investments went wrong. Or it doesn't give me the certainity that he followed the legislation flawesly. Not because he tried to trick the law, but maybe because he overlooked sometging. If this happened, NB it may not give him the OK to go on.
I don't know why do I even have to put so much energy to make an obvious point. I trust that what you say is right, you should trust others too.
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Originally Posted by everwiser
Hi, my dear Moderator Everwiser, to put it nicely, I am a bit troubled by the words you have used, as in my opinion; it’s more like no facts than no guts.
I have learned my lesson before, so I am not going to be on either side regarding Pips situation, that what I would call a progress in my personality, as I have learned from the past, and become truly Wiser, and more responsible for my own actions.
To ask me to be loyal to BM at this stage is in my very own opinion too much to ask, (have you seen the way he managed Halotto so far) but on the other hand, to bash him when the investigation is still ongoing and don’t know who the true culprit/s is it is going too far, after all, there were many staff there in Pipsinc, moreover, may be he really have unknown good reasons to not update us regarding Halotto, I will once again give him the benefit of the doubt this time.
I can only say this:
If Pips is successfully restructured like BM promised and our funds back, I will hand make him a gift (a Dragon) as a Thank you, by that time he will have earned my total respect and loyalty…but not now!
If it is not going to come back, I will walk away silently, not a bad word to BM from me.
If you have the fence sitters list, then yes, I am in it for sure, however, I don’t consider myself have no guts to choose sides, in fact, I consider myself having the heart to say no to things that I don’t believe in, I won’t bent over under peer pressure.
Note: if you have seen the way I have supported BM thru out this waiting period in Rolclub, not to mention in the old forum, you wouldn't have described those that refuse to take sides as no guts, but in fact, I deleted all 60 of those super supporting posts of mines few months ago as a way to show that I am myself again.
These negative few have dominated this forum with their strong arm tactics. Pro pipsters! We are the voice of the majority! This forum was a pro pips forum. The silent majority should not be silent any longer.
Bryan's vision is for us to be doormats no more.
We are supposed to be more than conquerers.
We need to let Rolclub leadership know where we stand and how we want to be treated.
I mean in regards to solid facts that support a person's decision of,Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcturusI
"I think PIPs will be back" or, "I do not think PIPs will be back".
I have observed alot of facts on PIPs history, but not facts that
would sway me to make a decision one way or the other. JMHO!
Or they can say, Now we finally know the verified real truth!Quote:
Originally Posted by 4dataxman
Me tooQuote:
Originally Posted by haschatan
patellarol
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PIPS will return...no doubt!!
Count me in as a 'believer' baby!!
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I stand corrected HNot.
For the others........It all boils down to Pro, Con, Neutral/Waiting, Invertebrate (defined as those who lean toward the "winning" side..... they have changed position many times over, and we don't need to name names).
This is not meant as an insult. Taxman has defined 5 positions for you. I find it interesting that the "....Hope Pips doesn't come back...." position most likely has a few members as well.
Call yourself what you will, but don't call anyone a thing they are not. It is safe, I do believe, to keep poor Style in his category, given his latest round of kind and gentle prodding. Bye, bye Style. You certainly earned it.
And, just as a point of reference here, there are a couple of programs out there that are being advertised on this site pretty heavily that haven't yet lived up to their end of the bargain......... and I don't hear the "S" word on them. Fanatacism, both pro and con, is unhealthy. Put yourselves in the camp you wish to be in, and then be prepared to defend the position. That means to be prepared for any and all outcomes...... any good Scout will tell you that.
Arcturus
P.S. You're funny, HNot........ verified truth? Not sure that exists this side of death
Please put me on the I believe "PIPS WILL RETURN" list.
Supermom
Sorry, I wouldn't describe them in this way, may be for some, I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4dataxman
but they can easily pretend to be super supporters to make themself looks good here, or they can simply don't take responsibility of what they say by saying BM is a scammer while the investigation is still ongoing.
they are on the fence, because they feel it's right to not take any side in this stage in order to not mislead people to think it's all rosy or all doom, as we have no final words from BNM, period!
Fair enough, Toefl. Fair enough. It can be taken that way. It can also be taken as "trust your gut". In the case of women, trust your instincts or intuition but for most men it's your gut or guts. Most people have a "feeling" in their gut(s) of "my money's gone forever" or "Pips will be back". People either trust their gut(s)/instincts or they second guess themselves and therefore choose to stand in the middle of the road (sit on the fence)...Then you have the others who would play it either way so that they won't be said in the end to have picked the "losing" side. Either way you choose to look at it, makes no difference.
Everwiser
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Originally Posted by Toefl
Pips will return put me in
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I have been reading these messages for months now. I believe that PIPS will be back. I know the waiting can be painful but everyone needs to be paitent and it will be back quicker if people stop causing problems. Let it be and it will be back sooner than you think.
Hopeful1
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ok, i have to sleep now but will add all of you that have signed tomorrow morning.
i would like to know whats wrong with being on the fence?...for one thing i joined very late...way after the withdrawl delays had started.....i never recieved a cent....i also never met Bryan personally.....i watched and tried to get something out of arc's thread....but really guys...this thread drug out for over 2 months......as for the sequence put together by paddy....that was wonderfully done......but again,no further along then i was b4...i say I...because I am talking about myself personally.....if someone got more out of it then i did...great....maybe he was here longer...maybe he met Bryan....maybe he is a true believer.....or whatever reason.....i never did doubt bryan's sencerity for helping people.....i have doubts about his leadership capabilities and his communication skills.....its hard for me to place trust in someone who i have never met.....never got a return on...and have watched his lack of communication skills...over and over again....why is it so hard for someone to understand this is really beyond me.....and if putting my name on the list that does'nt think pips will return will keep me off of bryan's "good" list if it does return only shows his true colors in the first place....does'nt it.....now...i did'nt curse....or put anybody down who has a difference of opinion...because as of right now...thats all we have....opinions.....and differences of opinions....IMHO.....Pat
pips WILL return
Please put me in
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IMHO....Very well stated Pat!Quote:
Originally Posted by bigopie
Pips will return.
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everwiser, first of all, thanks for your explaination.
to futher explain myself, I have to say that because of my Pro Pipster attitude before, I believe I have really disappointed people around me, and I can even venture to say that I have disappointed some members that I didn't know personally, but they happened to read my posts on the forums, here or on the old pips forum, in my opinion, everyone got carried away there, BM included.
so, I have come to realize I have to take responsibility of my own actions, if I go on letting myself to keep other people's hopes up when I don't have enough facts to base it on, then possibly disappoint them again, and then trying to say sorry later, that would be too late...
on the other hand, it is not over, as the way Pips is being investigated is not normal, so I can only sit on the fence.
I just don't want to repeat my mistake.
of course, it's just my point of my view, my own experience, I am in on way want to be a party pooper, i hate being one, I am in no way want to discourage people to take any side either, it's your belief.
moreover, I may not have enough facts to make a pro or con decision, but others may really have, who know, so this post is only to explain my position.
pips will return
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Hey what happened to my post? I said it will be back and a I pledge my positive attitude. We shall hang in there till the man speaks.
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A completely respectable explanation for your position Toefl. Thank you for your clarity and courtesy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toefl
Everwiser
Pips will return
add showme and toby1--we got bumped off the other list.
Pamela
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Excellent post 4D. You got my support. What you said is 100% truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4dataxman
I also feel that person can't be in middle. Either you are for or you are not.
Only person that is in favor in middle is person that joined Pips in late stage. By Pips being in business this long you need to know if Bryan is good or bad by now. If you don't than you must just joined Pips between March - June 2005.
Everything else is irrelevant.
well thank u for seeing my point of view newlife...finally..i joined february 20,2005....so u see where i stand...so thats why, say like u...I am in the middle...not hard to understand...when one takes the time to try and understand...IMHO...Pat
Please add me in the " pips will return" list.
Thanks.
pips4u88
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