Off Topic Posts from "Humble Request" Thread...

[everwiser]

I have read everything............whats your point?
You guys are so eager to blame anybody and everybody as long as it isnt Bryan.
I tend to see it another way. Bryan was in charge of PIPS...........we loaned him the money. If a tornado destroyed the bank[s] where the money was at and all of the money blew away.............BRYAN is still responsible. Thats just how it is. That is the MAIN fact out of ALL facts. Bryan IS RESPONSIBLE to pay us what he owes us. NOBODY else, just Bryan!

No one has claimed that Bryan is not responsible for some of what has happened, however to ignore the rest of the timeline is to put blinders on and say there was nothing going on in the periphery...It is not cut and dried, black and white, true or false, etc. There's a lot to this story and we're not at the end yet...

[SoulSurfer]

Everwiser, there is no way under the sun or stars that someone such as you could "damage my sense of self."

This is another attempted put down and shows your intent -- that you imagined yourself doing that speaks volumes about who you are.

[SoulSurfer]

No one has claimed that Bryan is not responsible for some of what has happened, however to ignore the rest of the timeline is to put blinders on and say there was nothing going on in the periphery...It is not cut and dried, black and white, true or false, etc. There's a lot to this story and we're not at the end yet...

Why is it that when somebody DOES claim Bryan was responsible, they get attacked a hundred sideways from hell on this forum, and then face vicious personal attacks?

I humbly disagree. It IS cut and dried, black and white, true or false. Whatever happened already happened and there is only one true answer for what happened.

If you want to go over the entire timeline and rehash every detail, fine, but do it objectively and not with blinders on and taboo subjects. People want truth, not just twelve dozen reasons why it might not be Bryan's show.

By all means, let the story continue....

[everwiser]

Listen SS, if you want to continue this with me, please do so offline either through PM or MSN. I will listen and respond in kind...This isn't about either one of us.

I apologize to everyone else that is looking and helping to get the facts straight. I didn't intend to turn this thread into a shouting match. Please continue with the timeline.

[Style]

No one has claimed that Bryan is not responsible for some of what has happened, however to ignore the rest of the timeline is to put blinders on and say there was nothing going on in the periphery...It is not cut and dried, black and white, true or false, etc. There's a lot to this story and we're not at the end yet...

LOL..................NO, Bryan is responsible for EVERYTHING! We loaned HIM our money.

If the bank loans you money and as you are leaving the bank someone runs up and steals the money from you.............is the bank going to just ignore it because you say it was someone elses fault? Absolutely NOT. YOU would still have to pay that money back. I no longer care about what else "allegedly" happened. You guys are doing and saying whatever you can to try to convince the rest of us that Bryan is innocent..............guess what, I dont buy it, he is FAR from innocent, and as far as I am concerned, it is a wasted effort. I loaned Bryan my money based on a certain interest to be paid back. I expect that money...............that is a FACT!

[guest1]

LOL..................NO, Bryan is responsible for EVERYTHING! We loaned HIM our money.

If the bank loans you money and as you are leaving the bank someone runs up and steals the money from you.............is the bank going to just ignore it because you say it was someone elses fault? Absolutely NOT. YOU would still have to pay that money back. I no longer care about what else "allegedly" happened. You guys are doing and saying whatever you can to try to convince the rest of us that Bryan is innocent..............guess what, I dont buy it, he is FAR from innocent, and as far as I am concerned, it is a wasted effort. I loaned Bryan my money based on a certain interest to be paid back. I expect that money...............that is a FACT!

And can you prove for a fact that Bryan disagrees with you?

[Hesitatenot]

Quietly following along and enjoying some insight that may be of value
in this continuous saga.
Arcturus,
I appreciate your approach.
I, as well as others, appreciate facts.There have been a few that have presented "supposed facts" in the past and they have proven to be false.
I, for one, was told "do this and don't do that" at times because it was in
accordance with Bryan's intentions. Turned out to mean nothing!
Some of us (that appreciate taking people at their word) have become a
bit upset and now we are more critical, of the present situation, than
we were prior to receiving "inside information" from supposed people in the know!
It does not mean that some of us are not in support of the return of PIPS, but it does mean that we are (as I mentioned) more critical than before.
One thing I do know for sure is a few would be less critical if communication from Bryan would have been better. I do not mean that Bryan needs to be detailed, just maybe.....Hey folks, since "you are the reason I implemented this program", I feel so bad for the turn of events and I am doing
what I can to correct the present situation. This is why we are here and................

Alright then...continue with the facts!

[everwiser]

LOL..................NO, Bryan is responsible for EVERYTHING! We loaned HIM our money.

If the bank loans you money and as you are leaving the bank someone runs up and steals the money from you.............is the bank going to just ignore it because you say it was someone elses fault? Absolutely NOT. YOU would still have to pay that money back. I no longer care about what else "allegedly" happened. You guys are doing and saying whatever you can to try to convince the rest of us that Bryan is innocent..............guess what, I dont buy it, he is FAR from innocent, and as far as I am concerned, it is a wasted effort. I loaned Bryan my money based on a certain interest to be paid back. I expect that money...............that is a FACT!

If you're driving a car through a busy intersection and a semi-truck changes lanes into your car and pushes it/you onto the sidewalk where you end up killing/maiming a large group of pedestrians, and then the truck continues on its way without stopping and no one notices because they're looking at you, is it entirely and utterly your fault? It's your car and your car ran them down but "the driver of the semi caused the accident" you protest, however no one saw it but you...Legally then, by your interpretation of current PIPs events, you are solely responsible for the pain and suffering of the families of the dead/maimed pedestrians?

Now replace you and your car with Bryan and Pips, the pedestrians with the members (dead = lost money; maimed = legal proceedings from C&D's, investigations, etc.) and the truck with the forces at work behind the scenes...Do you still have the same impression?

Now the police show up at the scene (BNM) and they don't care what you say; they've got an investigation to do...Was your car in proper operating condition (were there really investments)? Did you have insurance (were you operating in good faith)? "Gee, I hope my wife (PIPs staff) remembered to send in that payment..." Were you obeying the posted speed limits & other signs (conducting good business practices)? But officers...The truck hit me; it knocked me into them!!! Officers: What truck? No one here saw a truck? What are you talking about?

Do you feel a bit alone now? Are the people on the sidewalk calling you names? Don't you just wish none of this had happened? Don't you wish you had the license number of that truck?

[newlife]

So would you kindly step back and let this story continue without further comments - thank you.

Very well said Guest1. You are right, some people like to interfere and bug the hell out of you.

Please continue. If w ignore them they will walk away.

[Style]

Nice to see you post Hesitatenot.............havent seen you around in awhile.

I agree with you completely. You know what...........As far as I know, Bryan has never even apologized to us ONE TIME for all of this mess!
That says a LOT about the man right there!

Quietly following along and enjoying some insight that may be of value
in this continuous saga.
Arcturus,
I appreciate your approach.
I, as well as others, appreciate facts.There have been a few that have presented "supposed facts" in the past and they have proven to be false.
I, for one, was told "do this and don't do that" at times because it was in
accordance with Bryan's intentions. Turned out to mean nothing!
Some of us (that appreciate taking people at their word) have become a
bit upset and now we are more critical, of the present situation, than
we were prior to receiving "inside information" from supposed people in the know!
It does not mean that some of us are not in support of the return of PIPS, but it does mean that we are (as I mentioned) more critical than before.
One thing I do know for sure is a few would be less critical if communication from Bryan would have been better. I do not mean that Bryan needs to be detailed, just maybe.....Hey folks, since "you are the reason I implemented this program", I feel so bad for the turn of events and I am doing
what I can to correct the present situation. This is why we are here and................

Alright then...continue with the facts!