Thanks for your input Kidswriter..very interesting too :)
I,m sure there are other facts we are not aware of, all points for Bryan, unfortunately, more bones for the dogs to p*** on.
Take care
paddy
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Thanks for your input Kidswriter..very interesting too :)
I,m sure there are other facts we are not aware of, all points for Bryan, unfortunately, more bones for the dogs to p*** on.
Take care
paddy
Are we in the early part of 2005?
In Jan 05 it became rather obvious that we had encountered something more than just a mere snag. In Dec I had put in two withdrawal applications, one for the first week of the month and the other the third week. I had been doing this for months. I always used the bank wire option and funds were consistently in my bank within 7 to 10 days. I never experienced a problem, it ran like clockwork. But my last withdrawal still hadn’t materialized by the middle of Jan05. From reading the forum it was clear that payments had come to a shuddering halt. By then it was obvious that it wasn’t the Christmas rush that was still causing delays, it seemed nothing was moving.
We later discovered from Bryan that HSBC had frozen PIPS bank account. I think HSBC pulled that stunt around the latter part of Dec04??
I recall reading on the forum what Bryan apparently said about that and I found it interesting. Could be worth looking at, but I guess that would be for later in the timeline.
Incidentally, I eventually received my Dec withdrawal a few months later and I think there is something interesting to be said about that as it also backs up what Bryan had been saying.
But again, I guess that’s for a bit later on.
Thanks for that Chester...
Another example that people were being paid prior to the problems with HSBC...Maybe Mia, Arcturus, Paddy, or another can keep us going...
I support that. That is why this thread is for many to learn a lot before they open they mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by guest1
SS and Style it seems very strongly to me that you both are out to just stir the pot with it seems your hatred. `Trollish'~~. Please allow this thread to continue and allow some facts to emerge that many people haven't been aware of from the past.
Again the discussion seems to be getting around the blame of Mr Bryan Marsden, we need to understand `WHAT' caused the problem, and it swould appear this thread is on the right track to uncover many unanswered questions.
EW, Arc, and others `Please Do Not Respond' to these red herring baited attacks. Please every one ignore the personal beat up rebukes coming from them. Remember it takes more than a man to walk away from a fight than it does to get into one especially when there is no logic attached; Constructive logical discussion of what we know is important not slanging matches personal rebukes are `not of love' but of the opposition. Come on raise up above this and get on with the story.
I am also a Pioneer from GWPI days I have also witnessed many happenings of our beloved PIPS and its demise so far. There has to be soo much more in the background that we aren't privvy to `Yet' and with this thread we now have an opportunity to unravel a more `Truthful' understanding of what happened.
It has always crossed my mind `WHY' GN and IB were in so much contact with each other about PIPS business `WHY' He IB was just another member like myself , and `WHY' did IB need to travel to Panama to keep intouch with the happenings of the registration of PIPS in that country. DID IB and GN meet in Panama at that time if so for what reason, surely it wouldn't just to have a beer together. By whose authority did IB have to be involved with that happening and if IB did have that authority `WHY' He IB was just another member like myself.
Oh yes .... about that book that was written , these are the questions that are coming out for us all to understand and come to grips with. Now folks let us all settle down and can we please carry on without any further bickering, because `trying' to challenge other people interlects against our own, challenges our own interlect in an egotistical way if you know what I mean.
Boots.
Thank you, Boots...Very well stated and, dare I say, point taken...
We're at the end of 2004 and beginning of 2005...What's going on? What are the major happenings or landmarks associated with this time period?
I thought IB met Bryan in Panama??
Al
Please on with the story.
Al
Since many of us have an interest in other web based opportunities, there was a need, for those that wished it, for some form of e-currency exchange..a member to member transaction.....since Picpay provided none.
"La Banque" then became the forum based exchange, where one could swop Picpay for e-gold, Stormpay and the like or visa versa.
Bryan post up a disclaimed that PIPs no way endorsed such transactions, but nonetheless they were allowed to continue for quite some time.
La Banque was taken from an idea on a private forum (an original by member dollarsrus) where outside membership was not a problem, completely the opposite to how the PIPs forum operated with just about all allowed access.
The whole thing was open to abuse and abused it was, with ridiculous offers of Picpay for a lesser sum in another currency.
Members were in fact selling Picpay.
Bryan did allow one e-currency trader onto the forum, I think to combat this trend but something happened and we lost that outlet.
Looking at the trade from the e-currancy angle, the whole thing was wide open to the usual fraudsters, say bad e-gold traded for Picpay, filtered thro various accounts and back out into e-gold.
Another nightmare for Picpay staff to trace, confiscate funds from innocent members caught up in a web of decite and try to hold the lid on a rising tide of fraud.
Eventually La Banque was banned from the forum, but it just went underground and carried on business as usual.
People desperate to get into PIPs with CC holdups blocking their entry resorted to trading real cash for Picpay..there was quite an underground market in these dealings also.
paddy
As I said I was a Pioneer with GWPI July 03. The earlier post of GW's demise is partially right that downfall came about because of some members not continuing to contribute to the program of the clone system. Many members of that system supported other members who found themselves in difficulty of not being able to keep their payments due.
This was done for 2 main reasons.
1. Suzanna had visions of helping the world enviroment system and also helping third world country people; that `Spirit' Did come alive and was clearly evident with the compassion members had toward helping others less fortunate as I said helping other members who found difficulty with their own finances,, there are many evident facts that can be varified from members of those days including Kim, Nigel,many others and BM himself. That caring empathic unmistakable Spirit is STILL ALIVE today among those earlier members, and I have no doubt it will survive for many years to come. If nothing else we have learned to care about others and have taken the selfish selfcentred egotistical visions off ourselves.
2. With the demise of GWPI around November 03, Mr Bryan Marsden with suggestions from other pioneer members set about creating `PIPS' which as know was launched February 04. Mr Marsden made sure that all those, now ex members of GWPI, had all their funds re-entered into their brand new PIPS accounts, remember He didn't have to do this at all. He could have just said well `That's all Folks' and continued on with His other programs including the 2% which was in progress at that time. He BM made sure `EVERY' member had All their funds transfered over to the new Program. This money came from HIS pocket, as I said He didn't have to do this but He wanted the Spirit of His Vision to continue and so it did. Moreover I also believe it will continue for many years to come.
I had made withdrawal requests during the latter part of 2004 OCT and Nov these withdrawals were wired into my bank account without any delays at all I only made the request for withdrawal to merely test the waters and all was fine.
On reflection of past events it seems no doubt there was skuldudgery in progress before and while we we where in Hawaii. I met GN at the help desk at the Hilton Hawaian Village and thought he a most charming Man. Again on Reflection I am now saddened that he has chosen to take the journey he has and furhermore saddened that he is one of my countrymen.
I have seen remarks that Bryan Marsden is solely resposible for `all' the demise that has transpired so far. During 2004 the PIPS company perception was booming and without any doubt BM and SM needed to make their worldwind tour to accomodate the massive interest. I also refer to the post that Bill Gates can't be hanging around the cheque book all the time. We in a management level need to delegate responsiblity and those persons take on responsible positions need to be and are very much accountable for their achievments and also their `Failures'.
It seems to me that the emerging enlightnments about PIPS demise will very much make those responsible for it answer in full for misdemeanours performed while BM was on Tour.
Bryan has mentioned before that a re-structured program was in progress at the time of the raid, so then He must have had a good inclination of what then had happened, He was doing what he could to save it then and He said it`will' be back and I have `no' reason to misbelieve Him. He also said in one of His earlier post's "Good will always win out against evil" `Watch Out You People Who Have Done This' you trolls and those behind the scenes because your day of judgement is at hand.
I wonder if that gentleman from Oregon US who I had breafast with at the Hawaiian Prince is around, I remember he remarking "This Man Bryan Is Out Of The Box" and so we will see the re-emergence of our beloved PIPS.
Good Health Bryan and Sharon,
Boots.