So its been 8 months... Anyone out there with REAL investment experience?

Well PIPS is being investigated, its taking a long time, now this kind of thing must go on in the big world of investments. Has anyone had any experience of this kind of thing before?

Has it ever lasted this long or longer still and ended with a positive result for the investors?

I heard a long time ago that something similar happened to a different company, but the investigation went on for 2 years, but after. All the investors were given all their money back :) I cant remember what happened to the company.

Tim

Please post any stories, negative or positive, Offline and Online, that are similar to the PIPS one.

Also, What is the history of BN? How many companies of PIPS size have they investigated before and have any of them come out with a positive result after such a long investigation.

I am experiencing a real investment. I bought an option in gold, sold it and bought another when the price dipped. My broker specializes in options, so I can't loose more than you spend. The rumor is that gold may go past $800, this year.

He's teaching me as I go along. It's much easier for me to learn with interaction than by trying to learn by reading.

He isn't off shore, he's in the US and works with a real commodity business.

If you want to PM me, I'll give you his phone number. He isn't off shore, it's a real commodity firm in the US. I don't get money for referrals.

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Originally Posted by rudutdo

Also, What is the history of BN? How many companies of PIPS size have they investigated before and have any of them come out with a positive result after such a long investigation.

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I can't find my file on it, but, about a month after the seize, I took the time to do extensive searches on BNM's investigations until I got thoroughly sick of it. The short answer from my findings is...no...there haven't been any companies at all similar to the make-up of the Pip's conglomeration that have ever been investigated by BNM so as to make a comparison; but, and this is main moral to the story that I took from my research, they have investigated many individuals or small partner groups, and I found more than I wanted to see that took 5 years or close to that to complete. All of them had to do with alledged violations of "muslim" financial law and most were Nationals. The long-winded close to 5 year stretch I found too often was the ticket to a gut full of nausea, and I quit the effort there and have never looked back. I recommend forgetting about it to you too, or go through with your own research and confirm or disconfirm as your choice may be. It looks to me that, if there is even one individual BNM Bureaucrat that has decided to turn the muslim freak-dom financial law agenda on Bryan then they'll turn this investigation into a monkey-circus and it will be a long time before any end to it. Bryan, despite any faults, did do a very significant amount of humanitarian work in Malaysia, for Malaysians, and I thought those actions would have helped him against the BNM Bureaucratic machine better than it has, but evidently it has meant nothing at all. I'd like to see their Sultan and his sons get of their putridly rich a$$es and recognize a friend to their Country in Bryan and expedite a solution through the circus psuedo-investigation of BNM. My 2 cents.

thelema

Ive been a private commodities trader for 15 years, i wouldnt reccomend taking advice from brokers.

II traded a few years back and lost. I would have been rich today if I had done the opposite of what my brokers at the time recommended.

These guys seem more on the ball. I don't understand how to trade by myself. I'm more of a right brain kind of person, all that technical stuff is hard for me to grasp.

I met an 18 year old kid, once who spent $1000 on a futures contract of corn. He kept reinvesting his profit. He made $100,00 in three months. It was during a drought year. I made money $1000 off an orange juice option, once, in only 10 minutes, when they thought a hurricane was going to hit Florida. Hillary Clinton made money off cattle when that mad cow disease news hit.

I think it may be ok to use brokers if we wait patiently for events that will obviously effect the market. There's a lot going on in the world, now, that's effecting the economy.

People are waking up to the fact the president and his gang may be severely mentally ill and are making choices that are making the US and the whole world unstable. Fear drives the market. The loss of confidence shows up as the US dollar falling. Gold and silver go up as the dollar goes down, historically.

I sure wish the president and his men would be healed. I wish they would feel the good feelings towards life and want to preserve it. I wish their hearts would remember how good love feels. They would never want to harm any one, steal resources, and dump toxic such as depleted plutonium, mercury, if they remembered how to care. I wish they could go to sleep one night and have an enlightening dream and wake up with a whole new outlook.

That's a pretty far fetched wish, but because they're blowing it so badly, they must be feeling all that psychic hate being projected on them by the masses around the world. Maybe they need more people to project hope for healing, maybe it could have an effect.

I wish I could understand well enough to trade by myself. My broker says that I will be able to in a year from now. He is teaching me lots and so far, I haven't lost money and am beginning to make some.

Thankyou for your comments, so it seems that we are in a situation in which it looks that there never has been a positive outcome. What about offline investments, there must have been similar situations that have arisen that concluded positively for investors?

Do we as investors have any cover over situations like this? Its not as if Bryan Marsden has our money, It is the Bank of Negra. If their outcome of the investigation is negetive then we are the innocent party, surely. We must get back a percent of what they can give back right?

Put that way, rudutdo, one would suppose that it would be difficult at best. Considering jurisdictions, etc., it wouldn't seem likely. However, it hasn't been established yet what IS going on, exactly, and what is REALLY happening here, so there really is no good answer to give. If you were in the Bahamas, and a business there took your money and didn't deliver, how long would it take for you to get that back? You can sue there, or you can do it through the consulate, World Bank in some instances, etc. But the point is, what motivation does the 'foriegn' interest have in letting you have what you claim to be yours without being forced to? IF BNM truly has the money, or knows where it is, what hurry do they need to be in?

But is that really the case here? Don't know.

Well thats my point you see. At the moment it is Bank Negra who now owes me over $5,000. A lot of people have much more being held by BN, Are they above international law? Is it possible that they can indefinately hold my money? To keep it unspendable. Whats the $2,000,000,000 doing now? Just sitting there? Nobody using it for good or evil?

Don't miss MY point, though. I am not saying that BNM has your money, or is holding your money. I was speaking hypothetically. I am not convinced that "our" money is gone or with BNM. True, we can't touch it today, but we haven't determined the reason. I have reason to believe that what is "yours" is still yours. I just can't tell you when it will be usable.

Arcturus