And in the beginning, Bryan created PIPS...

[paulvw]

And in the beginning, Bryan created PIPS. And there was much joining and rejoicing by the multitudes...

Yeah, Right! Let’s recap, people. Cold, hard facts.

1. PIPS is a computer program developed by computer software programmers, of whom there are probably millions in the world today. No shortage of skill there.
2. Likewise, the PIPS web site was created by web designers, and
3. There are hundreds of reputable payment gateway companies out there. I have dealt with a few of them myself in the past without problems.
4. According to the splurb on PIPS home page, all monies were invested in stocks, bonds, forex, property and venture capital. This was done by professional investment managers operating in 3 time zones, an effective 24/7 operation. This is where our returns came from. (I have a program that enables me to trade on our local stock exchange via the ‘net. It IS possible to make 50% a day or more, if you know what you are doing!).
5. Malicious forces (?) started rumours about PIPS and money laundering that caused banks, our erstwhile payment gateways, previously happy to take on PIPS’ business, to withdraw their support.
6. Bottlenecks, backups and stories about each transaction being done by hand and taking 20 minutes to complete resulted in withdrawal requests not only being late, but stopping altogether.
7. BoN steps in, and it’s all over bar the faint flicker of hope struggling to survive in the face of a howling gale of reality.

How am I doing so far? Are you still with me? Keep reading, I’m going somewhere with this…

Surely, taking the first 4 points above, out of an estimated 200,000 members, there must be a dozen or so people with the necessary skills to start up a similar project, utilizing these available skills, that belongs to the shareholders – the members – and not to one person?

Surely it can be done legitimately and above board, with transparency for all to see, with physical premises, auditors and our own tax consultants to see that we pay enough tax and not too much?
I, for one, would be happy to pay tax on money I wouldn’t have had otherwise, if I even only made more than I’m making now, never mind if I’m suddenly rolling in it!!

Let the (now disillusioned) ex-PIPS members rather pay an extra $500 or whatever into something we grew to understand and like, rather than a pie-in-the-sky lotto that only a few lucky ones are ever going to get anything out of – if ever, considering who the architect is!
For me, I’d rather have steak-on-the-plate than pie-in-the-sky.

If anyone else likes my idea, and you have the necessary skills or you are able (willing?) to spend a little more money to make back what you lost, please feel free to get in touch with me.

[thebat$]

How much?

[paulvw]

I don't know. It's an idea.
The amount would have to be determined by how much the market (the people) can a) afford or b) are willing to part with.
Would it be a once-off amount, a monthly amount or a pay-in-as-often-as-you-like amount?
The parties setting up the system would have to make those options available and do a little consumer research to see what the public likes best.
Maybe make more than one option available, with a minimum amount required, because not everyone likes the same thing. Just limit the options to 2 or 3 so as not to get too complicated or confusing.

Anyhow, this post has been up for a few days now, and there has so far been only one, 2-word reply. "How much?"
Pleeeze!
In fact, The Bat$, if you read the 2nd-last paragraph again CAREFULLY, you'll see I suggested $500 as an opening gambit.

So I guess all you 200,000 PIPSters out there are really not interested in doing something yourselves to take control of getting your money back.
You'd rather sit in this forum and wallow in self-pity, clutch at straws and rail against the trolls.

Well, I tried.....

[boink]

If it was that simple it would have already happened.

[travis]

What I dont understand is that a forced matrix failed before, why is he doing it again? Also, does he not feel he will be under scrutiny for his lotto program?

[4dataxman]

What I dont understand is that a forced matrix failed before, why is he doing it again? Also, does he not feel he will be under scrutiny for his lotto program?

Maybe more is out there? When looking at the Mona Lisa, don't come to a conclusion based on the smile alone. Evaluate the whole picture, and analyze your methodology, and how you got to the end result.

The truth is out there, you just have to know what you are looking at.

4D

[leftyken]

Maybe more is out there? When looking at the Mona Lisa, don't come to a conclusion based on the smile alone. Evaluate the whole picture, and analyze your methodology, and how you got to the end result.

The truth is out there, you just have to know what you are looking at.

4D

Well said Confusious.

[Hesitatenot]

Maybe more is out there? When looking at the Mona Lisa, don't come to a conclusion based on the smile alone. Evaluate the whole picture, and analyze your methodology, and how you got to the end result.

The truth is out there, you just have to know what you are looking at.

4D

Yes it is. Unfortunately, until an official announcement is made, no one
knows what it is!
So basically, at this point in time, the dogmatic "yays" and the dogmatic
"nays" are nothing more than entertainment!

[kozmar]

Well from all the 'yays' and 'nays' entertainment is falling short. Bryan said he was opening the Lotto and he did just that. The timetable became a little shaky but moving on is what it did. I hope that in the near future that our PIP comes back. Again, the timetable may have been off, but with much 'hope' I want it to be so.

Best wishes to all in the Lotto.

Kozmar

[kozmar]

And in the beginning, Bryan created PIPS. And there was much joining and rejoicing by the multitudes...

Yeah, Right! Let’s recap, people. Cold, hard facts.

1. PIPS is a computer program developed by computer software programmers, of whom there are probably millions in the world today. No shortage of skill there.
2. Likewise, the PIPS web site was created by web designers, and
3. There are hundreds of reputable payment gateway companies out there. I have dealt with a few of them myself in the past without problems.
4. According to the splurb on PIPS home page, all monies were invested in stocks, bonds, forex, property and venture capital. This was done by professional investment managers operating in 3 time zones, an effective 24/7 operation. This is where our returns came from. (I have a program that enables me to trade on our local stock exchange via the ‘net. It IS possible to make 50% a day or more, if you know what you are doing!).
5. Malicious forces (?) started rumours about PIPS and money laundering that caused banks, our erstwhile payment gateways, previously happy to take on PIPS’ business, to withdraw their support.
6. Bottlenecks, backups and stories about each transaction being done by hand and taking 20 minutes to complete resulted in withdrawal requests not only being late, but stopping altogether.
7. BoN steps in, and it’s all over bar the faint flicker of hope struggling to survive in the face of a howling gale of reality.

How am I doing so far? Are you still with me? Keep reading, I’m going somewhere with this…

Surely, taking the first 4 points above, out of an estimated 200,000 members, there must be a dozen or so people with the necessary skills to start up a similar project, utilizing these available skills, that belongs to the shareholders – the members – and not to one person?

Surely it can be done legitimately and above board, with transparency for all to see, with physical premises, auditors and our own tax consultants to see that we pay enough tax and not too much?
I, for one, would be happy to pay tax on money I wouldn’t have had otherwise, if I even only made more than I’m making now, never mind if I’m suddenly rolling in it!!

Let the (now disillusioned) ex-PIPS members rather pay an extra $500 or whatever into something we grew to understand and like, rather than a pie-in-the-sky lotto that only a few lucky ones are ever going to get anything out of – if ever, considering who the architect is!
For me, I’d rather have steak-on-the-plate than pie-in-the-sky.

If anyone else likes my idea, and you have the necessary skills or you are able (willing?) to spend a little more money to make back what you lost, please feel free to get in touch with me.

Yes it is quite sad that PIP is on hold for now. But let's remember it is just that for now, nothing concrete that it is disolved. We wait and see, yes.

You idea sounds great if you get backers and you might want to put in the 'advertising' section for a better result of more input in the replies.

I would love to start a great outstanding program for everyone to profit from. I don't have nickles and dimes than alone $500 at the present time.

When PIP comes back online, and I hope that it will be sooner than later, I will gladly add to your enterprise.

Best wishes to you and your start up program if it gets off the ground. Keep us posted.

Kozmar