Do not twist the issue from BoN to BM, please. - Marek

I believe pips is not dead as one said in the other thread. And i also do belive that BM is doing all he can to fix it. Try to bee in his shoes. The world for sure would not look to easy for you then.

He is surrounded by:

1) People that he trusted, bailed out.
2) People that worked for pips, started posting their personal information all over the web,like Pictures of Passports and important documents.

3) Lots of very jealous people, and powers trying to bring pips down.

This is the reason i have never gone against pips. I have, and always will stay Pro twards pips. Some people here have totally missunderstood what my intensions with asking BoN for an update was.

Now i see, that it kind of backfired a little also. When i talk about BoN, many wish, and try to take their anger on the personal level with BM, when the topic of discussion is totally different.

I have NOT, and i repeat. NOT IN ANYWAY, Changed my views on BM, and Pips. I am as all waiting for BoN to do their work, and let them or BM tell us whats the story.

Why some peopel think i am fedup. Well, i do not understand the fact that.

BoN updated us on their site the 28th sept 05.
Why could they not do this again? Thats the reason i called.
I did not wish to hurt rolclub memebrs, pro pipsters, Bryan and others.

Its like ...

When someone is angry and confused, they take the matter on personal level insted of taking it the way it was posted. Why, i dont know....

When these confused soules post their anger on Rolclub, its seems like they are happy i got them an update. I did get them an update, but not so they go against BM.... Then you see lots of the pro pipsters beating down on the naysayers here on RC. This has for past two days seemed as if
this is not a conflict it was intended to be, against BoN, but rather

Me against BM.

WELL GUYS. ITS NOT HOW IT IS!

I RESPECT BRYAN. I might not agree on one point with him. And thats the question i posted under his email reply. Thats all. Thats should not make one automatically a Troll. I agree in alot, the most i would say, but i do have a mind of my own.

Lets not make this an issue about BM. It was never ment from me, rolclub to become like that. Please try to controll you negativity. I am sure we aren't that far from some news now.

Best Regards

Admin

Bump!

I applaud you contacting bon,finally someone got some much needed and wanted info. I t was not what I wanted or expected to hear,believing that we were so close to getting back tobusiness as usual, according BM in the very few posts that he has deemed to grant us. I also understand that he maybe under some form of gag order and can't say much. I have a hope that BM can bring PIPS back in some form someday, I don't expect it and I don't think we will see the moniesthat have been frozen by BON, there are to many hands in our cookie jar as it were. I just wanted to let you know that what you did and I read your posts, was great and much needed, no matter who or what says different. I respect you for what you did and what you are trying to do FOR ALL OF US BRYAN INCLUDED !!!!!!!!
Benzboy

Personally, I think you did the right thing. It's was fair. Any sane person would have done it. Your conduct is not is question, nor is your belief. I stand by you and co. I stand by PIPS and all the fellow Rolclub members.

We will make it through, somehow. It may not be what we expected or it may be more. I didn't join PIPS to get rich. I wanted to improve my life.

So, stop saying PIPS is dead! Don't give up! Don't be a quitter! Working together to solve the problem so that at least we can get something back. We're not backing down without a fight are we?

theBat$ is hopeful still but no delusional.

Hi Marek,

I didn't think you gave up. Just wanted to make that clear.

Cheers! :smile:

Thanks Marek.
I’m very pleased you have clearly reaffirmed your position. I think it was necessary.

That was my post, and we have clarified that it was written as a positive,
but was open to interpetation. I do know what it feels like to be left homeless,
or betrayed by those you trusted, and called friend. I do know what it feels
like to be pennyless, and still have people screeming at you for money. Ok,
on a lessa scale. I also know the hope i felt when i came along pips, from
a long time suicidal state. I also know how this has strenghtend by reading
the positivity, and inteligence of many of the posters here, on this forum. I
hardly believed this existed. But it does. And i know that when pips is back,
under a restructured format, and probably Name (previous point, in last post)
that the amount of good, focused people there are will make a differance,
and the rest may come around yet. If only to recognise their own thoughts.

So thanks Marek, i wasn't sure if you where still a punter. I can see that you are.
Thanks for your efforts also.

Hi Marek,

Once again I Thank You, you didn't have to put yourself on the line like that but sometimes we all have to take a stand. I believe that is exactly what you did. In return at least it stirred the hornet nest and everyone got a update from Bryan. It really is a shame it had to happen like that, the only person to blame is himself no one else.

Communications is the corner stone of any business without it you open the door to all types of speculation and doubts.

Well, just think about when Bryan posts and updates and all the times he has been dragged through the mud. It's pretty hard to say something when you have been persecuted so many times. As long as getting the update didn't mess things up. We just have to let it pass and wait for word from BON.... How can we get rid of the troublemakers?

Merak at least you gave it a try and your intensions were good. I guess we won't be satisfied until the investigation is complete....

That's great Marek...

But I hope that in 2, 3 or 4 weeks time when Bryan has not posted again, we will not go back to the same mentality and clamour for info that does not exist...

Give it all a break and give your total and undivided support to Bryan...
He deserves it, since he has not quit yet...

On my side I have total faith in him and will always give him 100% of my support!

spongebob

Admin just did what I've been wanting to do thus far but I'm a nobody to do that. I stand by you Admin. :) Any news is good news. No news = bad news.

A BUMP SO 4profit sees this thread.!

marek

So I did.
Don't know why you called me into this, though.

I take issue with what you wrote about Malaysia and BNM.

And btw, this is the second post where you felt it necessary to call on me.
Very strane the posts I made that caused this have been deleted.

There is so much negativity that is allowed in this forum.

All I did was to state that I was not happy with your actions and I pointed out that you didn't do any good by making BNM out as thieves.

What part of the see-saw are you on right now Marek? Honestly, you need to stick to your guns and not be so wishy washy. First you contact Bn, then you say you are with Bryan.

My question to you is, when does it become "toolate" and that somebody should be accountable for our interest free loans that some of us have given out over a year in advance?

Look, I know this is a cheerleader forum, and I'll be blamed, but how long do you blame everyone else but the ceo of a company? I guess we will wait and see what the bank finds out.

Why cant anyone be accountable in this business? Marek, you where starting to look objective by calling the bank, and getting the story, but now, you are afraid you might lose some members by not telling them what they want to hear. Comon, Marek; as a host to the community you should be the most objective person here.

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Originally Posted by travis

What part of the see-saw are you on right now Marek? Honestly, you need to stick to your guns and not be so wishy washy. First you contact Bn, then you say you are with Bryan.

My question to you is, when does it become "toolate" and that somebody should be accountable for our interest free loans that some of us have given out over a year in advance?

Look, I know this is a cheerleader forum, and I'll be blamed, but how long do you blame everyone else but the ceo of a company? I guess we will wait and see what the bank finds out.

Why cant anyone be accountable in this business? Marek, you where starting to look objective by calling the bank, and getting the story, but now, you are afraid you might lose some members by not telling them what they want to hear. Comon, Marek; as a host to the community you should be the most objective person here.

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If CRIMINALS is responsible for a companies demise....
I'll blame the CRIMINALS...NOT the CEO...:rolleyes:

And BEWARE you Greedy Ones...there are outside foces coming after YOU...:cool:

:cool: :smiley: Largo:smiley: :cool:

And BEWARE you Greedy Ones...there are outside foces coming after YOU...


Largo: What do you mean by this?

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Originally Posted by sopranos

And BEWARE you Greedy Ones...there are outside foces coming after YOU...


Largo: What do you mean by this?

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correction...it should be "forces"...

It's simply a message to the Greedy Ones...they'll understand what I mean...believe me...:cool:

:cool: :smiley: Largo:smiley: :cool:

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Largo

If CRIMINALS is responsible for a companies demise....
I'll blame the CRIMINALS...NOT the CEO...:rolleyes:

And BEWARE you Greedy Ones...there are outside foces coming after YOU...:cool:

:cool: :smiley: Largo:smiley: :cool:

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What if the CEO is the criminal, think about it.

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Originally Posted by OICU812

What if the CEO is the criminal, think about it.

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I've CLEARLY stated in my postings WHO's WHO in this drama...:wink:
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PART ONE

WHO is WHO?

WHO had a vision to HELP the needy and the little guy?
WHO started a company to accomplish this?
WHO made the company into a Huge WORLDWIDE membership?
WHO started a LOT of humanitarian aid projects?
WHO helped a lot of people to see a brighter future?
WHO made this into a huge success?

One don't have to guess who's who here...or..

WHO was HIRED to help CONTINUE the success?
WHO was responsible for getting more banks on the line?
WHO was responsible for getting debitcard platforms operational?
WHO was responsible for MANAGING the daily operations?

Did this WHO succeed in his work?

WHO of the above wanted to HELP others?

WHO of the above wanted first and foremost to earn a big profit as fast as possible?

Could there be conflicting interests here?

HOW can one divert the intention of one who first and foremost just want to help as many people in need as possible OVER to the intention of earning a big profit as fast as possible?

THE ANSWER.....YOU CAN'T!!!!!

THEN...what to do?

IS there maybe a way to TAKE OVER the operation????

Maybe if one IN A SECRET way started to sabotage the MONEYFLOW and then blame this on ...you know WHO...don't you!

Just MY OWN thoughts.

All The Best

Largo

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PART TWO

HOW can "the greedy ONE" get more help to sabotage?
( the greedy plotting)
HOW about hiring MY PEOPLE as employees?
HOW can I convince "the generous ONE" to agree on this action?
Well, we ARE expanding, we NEED more people AND we need NEW SERVERS...let's hire some of MY people.
Lets also recommend some of MY people to the CAPITAL COMPANY!!!
Let's see now....
HOW do we proceed?

1.Find some GREEDY people in the BANKS to work with...
2. Have a server crash so we can manipulate the MONEYFLOWS....and then blame it all on "the generous ONE"... he's the one who approves and
signs all transfers anyhow...does'nt he?
3.FIND some supporters to help with the BLAMING.
3.Start a forum for PAYING members only...by MY PEOPLE Outside.
4. Give EXCLUSIVE briefings to this people ONLY.
5.Create havoc in the payment system by implementing FRAUD in volume.
6.With the help of OUR greedy bankpeople, start freezing funds, and compile A SIGNIFICANT 8 FIGURE SUM.
7. Initiate an Investigation of "the generous ONE"....and have him removed from post.
8. In the mean time...start a NEW INVESTMENT SCHEME with the "LOYAL GREEDY PEOPLE" of ours with the help of ...A SIGNIFICANT 8 FIGURE SUM..HE HE HE.

THE OUTCOME

WHAT.....THEY DID'nt ARREST HIM?????

WHAT....ARE THE BANK INVESTIGATING US?????

BBUT...BBUT...BUT....

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Have YOU considered that the bank maybe is investigating some other guys than BM...?:wink:

:cool: :smiley: Largo:smiley: :cool:

you might be right Largo but if the bank is investigating other people why would they put BM in a bad situation like he is in know no money, car and a house why?

Have YOU considered that the bank maybe is investigating some other guys than BM...?

Largo

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And remember......Bryan knew the Bank was coming to visit!

colinone

Bite your tongue, Largo. We wouldn't want to start any unfounded rumors, now would we?

Paint the picture, people. You have been given a large box of crayons.

Arcturus

P.S. I KNOW that is a mixed metaphor!

Largo,

Excellent !!!!

That is exactly how was and did happened. A lot members would never understand this, but Pioneers that been through a lot of happenings can easily read and understand your post.

Thanks to clear some issues for some that are not fully informed of Pips past.

Largo,
Of all the stories regarding the BN investigation into PIPS, I have thought for some time that yours makes the most logical sense. From the very beginning, the players have made their there moves in plain site. Perhaps that is why it is so easy for most to overlook the obvious. Oh well, I've a feeling that it won't be to much longer before many will have complete knowledge of the facts, and with knowledge comes understanding.

Regards,
treasurhunter1

..........and the reason that most Pioneers are unconcerned about the motivations of one Bryan Marsden...............

As for the other Who's down in Whoville? I think I'll start by using the Orange crayon...................

Arcturus

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Originally Posted by ArcturusI

Bite your tongue, Largo. We wouldn't want to start any unfounded rumors, now would we?

You have been given a large box of crayons.

Arcturus

P.S. I KNOW that is a mixed metaphor!

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some crayons in the box are brighter than others.... so you have to color slooowly :smiley:

Very interesting. I have NO idea what this is about, (I wish I did) but still very interesting!

Guda for you, Mouse

WHATEVER: My intention exactly. Gray matter needs to be taken out for a jog once in a while, down a road less travelled. (Not that I would insult the intelligence of anyone, here, or presume to know more than the next.....)

Yes, that's really quite interesting reading.

Thanks for sharing your take on things, Largo.

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_33_9.gif me and my guda ..... now I geta back to work.... battle on!

That, too, is obvious. I truly believe that Mr. Marsden is an honest man. I do not believe for one second that HE is hiding in plain sight. What I do believe is that Bryan did the single most intelligent thing he could do, given the position he found himself in, and that was to call in BN. The others that scurried away, most likely with a PIPS account at close to a zero balance should truly be concerned. Also, please fellow Pipsters, consider the fact that Bryan is living hand to mouth as yet another indication that he actually took VERY LITTLE for himself from the company/investors. Sometimes the most simple truth is the hardest to believe.

Like Mr. Largo says,
These are just my thoughts,

treasurhunter1

The ball is in the court of.... hmmm, where's the Jester??? Some summary there Largo... I wonder myself which of these Orange colored Pioneers among us or Pipsters to be fair to all or the supposedly loyal tunes we get acting behind the scenes.... Largo. let it spill some more... its like watching Dad's Army here...hahaaa!

Largo. Great Post. My hat is off to you..Those are my thoughts also I

don't have sense enough to put them in the right prospective.

Largo!

How dare you actually THINK this thing through! LOL!

Thank you! Nicely done!
I can see much clearer today! As I reach for my BIG box of Crayolas and add the much needed colors!!

I am MORE behind Bryan now than ever!!

Portugal....I wanna go!

Nothin' but BIG love for you Bryan & Sharon!

jimmy

Looks like the enron lawyer has joined us in our thread. welcome :)

You know what Largo, this is an excellent post. It makes one "really" do some serious thinking and brings a whole new light to the subject.
Thanks for this.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Largo

I've CLEARLY stated in my postings WHO's WHO in this drama...:wink:
------------------------------------------------------------------
PART ONE

WHO is WHO?

WHO had a vision to HELP the needy and the little guy?
WHO started a company to accomplish this?
WHO made the company into a Huge WORLDWIDE membership?
WHO started a LOT of humanitarian aid projects?
WHO helped a lot of people to see a brighter future?
WHO made this into a huge success?

One don't have to guess who's who here...or..

WHO was HIRED to help CONTINUE the success?
WHO was responsible for getting more banks on the line?
WHO was responsible for getting debitcard platforms operational?
WHO was responsible for MANAGING the daily operations?

Did this WHO succeed in his work?

WHO of the above wanted to HELP others?

WHO of the above wanted first and foremost to earn a big profit as fast as possible?

Could there be conflicting interests here?

HOW can one divert the intention of one who first and foremost just want to help as many people in need as possible OVER to the intention of earning a big profit as fast as possible?

THE ANSWER.....YOU CAN'T!!!!!

THEN...what to do?

IS there maybe a way to TAKE OVER the operation????

Maybe if one IN A SECRET way started to sabotage the MONEYFLOW and then blame this on ...you know WHO...don't you!

Just MY OWN thoughts.

All The Best

Largo

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PART TWO

HOW can "the greedy ONE" get more help to sabotage?
( the greedy plotting)
HOW about hiring MY PEOPLE as employees?
HOW can I convince "the generous ONE" to agree on this action?
Well, we ARE expanding, we NEED more people AND we need NEW SERVERS...let's hire some of MY people.
Lets also recommend some of MY people to the CAPITAL COMPANY!!!
Let's see now....
HOW do we proceed?

1.Find some GREEDY people in the BANKS to work with...
2. Have a server crash so we can manipulate the MONEYFLOWS....and then blame it all on "the generous ONE"... he's the one who approves and
signs all transfers anyhow...does'nt he?
3.FIND some supporters to help with the BLAMING.
3.Start a forum for PAYING members only...by MY PEOPLE Outside.
4. Give EXCLUSIVE briefings to this people ONLY.
5.Create havoc in the payment system by implementing FRAUD in volume.
6.With the help of OUR greedy bankpeople, start freezing funds, and compile A SIGNIFICANT 8 FIGURE SUM.
7. Initiate an Investigation of "the generous ONE"....and have him removed from post.
8. In the mean time...start a NEW INVESTMENT SCHEME with the "LOYAL GREEDY PEOPLE" of ours with the help of ...A SIGNIFICANT 8 FIGURE SUM..HE HE HE.

THE OUTCOME

WHAT.....THEY DID'nt ARREST HIM?????

WHAT....ARE THE BANK INVESTIGATING US?????

BBUT...BBUT...BUT....

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Have YOU considered that the bank maybe is investigating some other guys than BM...?:wink:

:cool: :smiley: Largo:smiley: :cool:

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Hi Largo,

So, are you in the mood to invest in some Chinese antiques yet? HeHe

Just thought I'd throw that in. Seems I remember a couple of WHOs that got into that business.

Just keepin it lite and fun til BN is dun

Lloyd(mmfast)

:smiley: Largo - a huge thank you for putting your WHOville story back up again! I had read the first one you posted a while back & this is a very great time to re-post it. Yep, it definitely makes a person stop & carefully think over the clues that have been right under our noses all along, doesn't it? Good for you to remind us again! :ro_emote: . :cheers:

I very strongly believe that the new reconstructed (& renamed) 'PIPS' will be back up fairly soon & will be even stronger than ever - after meeting Bryan in person, shaking his hand & listening to his great ideas for all of us - I have every confidence that our 'Reconstruced Venture' will make our year 2006 the best one that we've ever had, bar none!!!

Even thinking about it, gives me thrills & I'm really looking forward to finally receiving the e-mail that gives me the link to my new Website, so I can get in & get it updated & personalized! Oh YEAH!!! :woohoo: . :woohoo: . :woohoo: . :ro_emote:

mistymorning

I too have read Largo's post before....some of it makes perfect sense.....while there are some parts of it that I personally dont agree with....while I do believe a certain WHO did help mastermind the downfall of PIPS.....I also believe that some of the reason that all of this was easily accomplished was because Bryan dropped the ball by allowing his/our company to become to vunerable by jetting all over the world and leaving the fox to play in the hen house unattended, so to speak for way to long.....

However, I am very certain that Bryan and Sharon are very good people who have a deep desire to help people. I also continue to have hope that somehow Bryan will rise above all of this and resurrect PIPS in some form.

I am a Pioneer.....proud of it......started with Bryan before the GW days.....came out of GW without recieving profit from that venture.....but through PIPS was able to experience things that never seemed possible....

So now I continue to wait.....along with most other PIPS members.....our day will come.....