whats all the backslapping about ?

I don't understand all the backslapping and praise for the recent BON inquiry attempt.

While I appreciate this particular persons role as a forum administrator and am greatful for not only the forum but also his connection to BM... my respect for him and your respect for him does not give him any credibility in the eyes of BON representatives. To them he was "...just another pesky P*IPS member to take up my time"
I had an intelligent suggestion for a SERIOUS attempt at obtaining SERIOUS updates but my thread was locked minutes after I opened it.

http://www.rolclub.com/showthread.php?t=5683

In fact when I first heard M****s suggestion of an inquiry thats what I thought he meant. A professional inquiry from a law firm... from people who know the right questions to ask. You preceed the phone call with a letter sent a week earlier stateing who the law firm is and who they represent. Then when the call is made both sides are prepared to have a sensible, productive discussion. There is no way this idea would cost more than $1,000 from start to finish and we would have real information.

For all the members here who think this latest inquiry provided anything useful. This is essentially the same response that was given from BON about 2 or 3 months ago " the investigation is about finished and we'll be turning our findings over to the prosecutor for them to determine if there is a case"

the way I see it the only thing that was acomplished is the disheartening of a tired BM who has been doing everything possible for the benefit of membership.

I hate to say it but RolClub may have lost a large part of its credibilty with Bryan.

Admins I accidentally posted this thread twice. Would you please delete one of them please. I'd appreciate it if you would leave one though.

thank you
kevo

Kevo: Go back and read the response from BON again.It was not the same response as we had before.As for Rolclub losing a large part of cedibility with B***n, what about the credibility that he was losing very fast with alot of members here? WE are investors in this company and deserve a little more respect than what we've been getting.Remember, P**ps doesn't exist if it wasn't for the investors not the other way around.I have never seen a corporation treat its investors like we have been treated.

amen to that sopranos...his lack of respect for the members is a big concern for me....listening to him talk,one would swear he is the only one suffering....hmmmm...let me see....was'nt he the one in charge of i think...i read this somewhere....a billion dollar business????....but...its not his fault....please....give us a break here.....and try to show a little more respect for the members.....good post sopranos.....everyone have a nice day...Pat

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Originally Posted by bigopie

amen to that sopranos...his lack of respect for the members is a big concern for me....listening to him talk,one would swear he is the only one suffering....hmmmm...let me see....was'nt he the one in charge of i think...i read this somewhere....a billion dollar business????....but...its not his fault....please....give us a break here.....and try to show a little more respect for the members.....good post sopranos.....everyone have a nice day...Pat

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Thank you Bigopie. I just have a hard time believing that this is now all our fault. That makes no sense at all. Any how you have a nice day also.:beer:

Have any of you ever had your assets frozen? Have you ever had a government and/or banking institution freeze all of your accounts? If not, you should hold back your sarcasm concerning anyone's reaction to these kinds of events. I've had a relative whose every asset and those of his wife (separate accounts and his name wasn't on them at all) were frozen and siezed because of mistakes he had made in filing and paying payroll taxes for some employees he had once had. They had been having their paychecks deposited automatically each week; until they could get it changed with their employers, they didn't even have the benefit of a paycheck. They couldn't access the money or savings that they had and came very near to losing everything. So hold your sarcasm...

You are not kidding Everwiser! It is the most horrible and difficult thing. I had an experience with this once and it was a nightmare. Sarcasm has no place here!
Peace.

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Originally Posted by everwiser

Have any of you ever had your assets frozen? Have you ever had a government and/or banking institution freeze all of your accounts? If not, you should hold back your sarcasm concerning anyone's reaction to these kinds of events. I've had a relative whose every asset and those of his wife (separate accounts and his name wasn't on them at all) were frozen and siezed because of mistakes he had made in filing and paying payroll taxes for some employees he had once had. They had been having their paychecks deposited automatically each week; until they could get it changed with their employers, they didn't even have the benefit of a paycheck. They couldn't access the money or savings that they had and came very near to losing everything. So hold your sarcasm...

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Originally Posted by everwiser

Have any of you ever had your assets frozen? Have you ever had a government and/or banking institution freeze all of your accounts? If not, you should hold back your sarcasm concerning anyone's reaction to these kinds of events. I've had a relative whose every asset and those of his wife (separate accounts and his name wasn't on them at all) were frozen and siezed because of mistakes he had made in filing and paying payroll taxes for some employees he had once had. They had been having their paychecks deposited automatically each week; until they could get it changed with their employers, they didn't even have the benefit of a paycheck. They couldn't access the money or savings that they had and came very near to losing everything. So hold your sarcasm...

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Well Everwiser, I'm glad you raised this point.........I do this for a living.I reposess things......I freeze peoples assets and bank accounts. I do it for banks, financial institutions, Goverments and the courts. Anytime someone or a corparation or buisness has funds frozen,The banks and governments will open up lines of communications in order to resolve the situation.The only time that they donot follow this policy, is if criminal activity has occurd and then it is left to the courts to decide.Sorry Everwiser, I could go on & on, But I think you get the picture. Anyway you have a great day Everwiser.:smiley:

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Originally Posted by sopranos

Kevo: Go back and read the response from BON again.It was not the same response as we had before.

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Oh, well since you apparently are aware of the previous reply, maybe you could share with me the "relevent" part of this latest reply that was not implied in the previous one.

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Originally Posted by sopranos

As for Rolclub losing a large part of cedibility with B***n, what about the credibility that he was losing very fast with alot of members here? WE are investors in this company and deserve a little more respect than what we've been getting.Remember, P**ps doesn't exist if it wasn't for the investors not the other way around.I have never seen a corporation treat its investors like we have been treated.

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While this may be true it is an entirely different issue and not relevent to the pursuit of a useful update from BON. You and many others don't seem to understand that your perception of Bryans credibility serves no useful purpose in the resolution of this issue. While Bryans perception of the RolClub credibility DRASTICALLY affects whether or not he (BM) will continue to honor us with whatever little bits of information he can regardless of your opinion (or mine) of the quality of that information.

Kevo...........Things aren't all that they should be...............positive towards further investigations of pipsinc findings...............further investigation are only done when we have strong reason to believe not good conduct of buisness.
I have never seen any of this posted in any responses from bon before as you stated. I quote "This is essentially the same response as was given from Bon about 2 or 3 months ago". I think it was a little more indepth than the first response.
As for Bryan, He has made mistakes no doubt about it.But Buisness is Buisness and freindship and buisness donot go hand in hand.I entered into this as a buisness as Bryan did also when he took the investors money. It had nothing to do with any freindships. Why do certain people in this forum always try to turn it back to our credibility (members)? The only thing we did was invest in a buisness proposal. We kept up our end of the deal when we turned our money over.

Know what buddy. YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!!! They do it to get their money and 'criminal activity' has little to do with it. I was in no way criminal and it was proven yet I still had to suffer the frozen accounts...
but how could I expect someone in your line of work to understand such a thing. It is not that I disrespect WHAT you do, it is that I believe a person in your situation has the responsibility to have an understanding of such things. I mean you no disrespect Sopranos, I just need to speak out about this.
Peace.

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Originally Posted by sopranos

Well Everwiser, I'm glad you raised this point.........I do this for a living.I reposess things......I freeze peoples assets and bank accounts. I do it for banks, financial institutions, Goverments and the courts. Anytime someone or a corparation or buisness has funds frozen,The banks and governments will open up lines of communications in order to resolve the situation.The only time that they donot follow this policy, is if criminal activity has occurd and then it is left to the courts to decide.Sorry Everwiser, I could go on & on, But I think you get the picture. Anyway you have a great day Everwiser.:smiley:

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Originally Posted by wilder

Know what buddy. YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!!! They do it to get their money and 'criminal activity' has little to do with it. I was in no way criminal and it was proven yet I still had to suffer the frozen accounts...
but how could I expect someone in your line of work to understand such a thing. It is not that I disrespect WHAT you do, it is that I believe a person in your situation has the responsibility to have an understanding of such things. I mean you no disrespect Sopranos, I just need to speak out about this.
Peace.

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Wilder: You are bang on, they do it to get their money.I never suggested that it was criminal, just that the lines of communications close up if it is criminal. I am real sorry that your accounts were frozen and that you had to suffer. This happens to people all of the time and sometimes through no fault of there own.(ie: divorces,identity theft etc) As for me not understanding, do you think my heart doesn't go out to those who I have to visit when its not their fault they are in the sitiuation that they are in? If you think that I have no understanding, I have many reciepts where I have lent total strangers money to help them out in their time of need. And you know, I have been doing this for 25 years now and have never had anyone reneg on paying me back.And of course no interest was ever charged.
BTW what is meant by criminal activity is any proceed gained by drug dealers , fraud artists, theft etc etc.Any assests can be repossed if it was purchased with proceeds of crime. It is then up to the individuals charged with a crime to then prove in court that the assets were not purchased with the proceeds from a criminal act.This also includes bank accounts, stock & bonds etc.I hope you understand Wilder, and again I'm sorry you had to go through what you did.Have a nice night.:smile:

I stand corrected. Perhaps I misread your comment previously. It does sound like your heart is in the right place and that you are indeed aware of the injustices that occur everyday in these situations.
Peace.

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Originally Posted by sopranos

Wilder: You are bang on, they do it to get their money.I never suggested that it was criminal, just that the lines of communications close up if it is criminal. I am real sorry that your accounts were frozen and that you had to suffer. This happens to people all of the time and sometimes through no fault of there own.(ie: divorces,identity theft etc) As for me not understanding, do you think my heart doesn't go out to those who I have to visit when its not their fault they are in the sitiuation that they are in? If you think that I have no understanding, I have many reciepts where I have lent total strangers money to help them out in their time of need. And you know, I have been doing this for 25 years now and have never had anyone reneg on paying me back.And of course no interest was ever charged.
BTW what is meant by criminal activity is any proceed gained by drug dealers , fraud artists, theft etc etc.Any assests can be repossed if it was purchased with proceeds of crime. It is then up to the individuals charged with a crime to then prove in court that the assets were not purchased with the proceeds from a criminal act.This also includes bank accounts, stock & bonds etc.I hope you understand Wilder, and again I'm sorry you had to go through what you did.Have a nice night.:smile:

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If you think that I have no understanding, I have many reciepts where I have lent total strangers money to help them out in their time of need. And you know, I have been doing this for 25 years now and have never had anyone reneg on paying me back.And of course no interest was ever charged.

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You made sure to get receipts and made sure you had assurances of being paid back.....Hmmmm.....Ahem, sounds more like opportunistic business and less like heartfelt sympathy/charity to me...That's just me though...

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Originally Posted by everwiser

You made sure to get receipts and made sure you had assurances of being paid back.....Hmmmm.....Ahem, sounds more like opportunistic business and less like heartfelt sympathy/charity to me...That's just me though...

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How can it be opportunic buisness if no interest is charged back? I don't understand you comment and I don't appreciate it either........That's just me though...

Now everwiser, you are jumping to conclusions about a figure of speech.

One thing concerns me though Sopranos. It is this statement of yours

"It is then up to the individuals charged with a crime to then prove in court that the assets were not purchased with the proceeds from a criminal act."

I do believe, in this country, the proof needs to come from the prosecution that a criminal activity has taken place, not from the defendant to prove himself innocent, no?

Let's not lose sight of this. It is fundamentally important to us.
Peace.

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Originally Posted by wilder

Now everwiser, you are jumping to conclusions about a figure of speech.

One thing concerns me though Sopranos. It is this statement of yours

"It is then up to the individuals charged with a crime to then prove in court that the assets were not purchased with the proceeds from a criminal act."

I do believe, in this country, the proof needs to come from the prosecution that a criminal activity has taken place, not from the defendant to prove himself innocent, no?

Let's not lose sight of this. It is fundamentally important to us.
Peace.

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Once criminal charges are laid and the defendant is found guilty he then has to prove that the repossesed assets were not purchased from the proceeds of a crime.In alot of cases the assets are investigated by the authorities and anything they deem purchased by proceeds of crime are then repossesed and held by the courts at the same time as the charges are laid.If they are proved to be innocent they get the possessions back.If they are guilty they must prove that they were not purchased by proceeds of crime.

Thank you for clarifying that for me Sopranos. I was really worried for a moment.

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Originally Posted by sopranos

How can it be opportunic buisness if no interest is charged back? I don't understand you comment and I don't appreciate it either........That's just me though...

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I didn't quite look at it that way; I apologize for reading you incorrectly.

My first impression was that you had handled things as if they were a business deal, i.e. receipts, repayment, etc. In my mind, charity is that which is given regardless of any promise or expectation of repayment. It was from this thinking I drew my initial conclusion. Once again, I apologize.

everwiser

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Originally Posted by sopranos

Kevo...........Things aren't all that they should be...............positive towards further investigations of pipsinc findings...............further investigation are only done when we have strong reason to believe not good conduct of buisness. I have never seen any of this posted in any responses from bon before as you stated. I quote "This is essentially the same response as was given from Bon about 2 or 3 months ago". I think it was a little more indepth than the first response.

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First of all this means nothing to me... nothing. All this says to me is the investigation found "something" and now they are moving on to the next step in the process which is to submit their findings to the prosecutors office to determine if the alledged findings are substantial enough to justify legal action, which was implied on the previous. And like i said this all means nothing at this point. For all we know PipS Inc. has broken or bent some operational regulations and may have to pay some fines. But I don't gather even a hint that this investigation has found anything implicating PIPS or BM in any criminal activity or corruption.

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Originally Posted by sopranos

As for Bryan, He has made mistakes no doubt about it.But Buisness is Buisness and freindship and buisness donot go hand in hand.I entered into this as a buisness as Bryan did also when he took the investors money. It had nothing to do with any freindships. Why do certain people in this forum always try to turn it back to our credibility (members)? The only thing we did was invest in a buisness proposal. We kept up our end of the deal when we turned our money over.

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This part of your post I don't understand as it relates to my original topic. The freindship part lost me.