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I would love to know all your thoughs on this.
There are alomost 17000 members on Rolclub. We probably have 17000 views also.
How do you think we can unite? if possible.
What is acceptable and not acceptable?
Let me here your thoughts. Please try to make points, insted of a free and large texts.
Regards
Marek
Lets leave the differences, attacks etc etc, out of this thread, and try to all be constructive.
Marek
I think we should send someone to malaysia and get to the bottom of this from the bank and BM's lawyer.
I'll also donate 100.00 to the fund to pay for this.
my thoughts only
just stay positive!!!!
I think
bryan should come in front of investor becos we don't know who is sending mails or posting on forums .
so we have to arrange webcam chat with bryan
and he has to tell what is going on
he said he is working 36 hours but he has to tell what work ? and why ?
and to all pips members
if u have any question get the answer from bryan and if you trust him pls help him minimum $10 per month or more if u can
best regards
Whats the Point if bryan won't comunicate with us.
Hmm, good question, whom could we get to go from here if they were in agreement and we coughed up for plane ticket?Quote:
Originally Posted by mrlover
We need to send ROL member(s) to go on-site and work with local lawyer/informer.
How about you - Marek?
I think you are fully qualified.
This should be funded by $1 or $2 from each ROL 17000 members.
I think its time for us to take matters in our own hands. Pool together some fund s we have enough members here,gets some good lawyers and work with bank of negara, After all its our money. This means bypassing bryan ,he's had his chance,Now is the time to act, no more , this week ,this month, this year.
A comment to bond's suggestion. Not bad and certainly we should give some serious considerations to such plans. With due respect to Marek, or anyone else for that matter, I would like to know a bit about Marek's credentials, or anyone elses who may get the consideration to go to Malaysia. I am a very newcomer to Pips and I only know a few people. I did have the pleasure to go to Hawaii last year but that wasn't enough to get to know a lot of you.
I think all of us members should be able to cough up a couple bucks to fund this project and get to the bottom of it. I hope Bryan can agree with us ....
on this, however, I have my doubts on it.
I think BM should come here and tell us if it's ok to get us a lawyer to help his lawyer with getting our money or we'll just get us a lawyer to go after BNM and get our funds
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Originally Posted by mrlover
We don't even know if there is a lawyer working with BN in behalf of PIPS. I asked this question in "Questions for BM" thread and he said he can't comment.
Note this.
I WILL NEVER, EVER GATHER MONEY FOR ANYTHING.
I am the admin of rolclub, and beeing that i can not accept any such resposibilities like gathering money bla bla bla... Sorry.
If there would be a majority of Rolclub that wants to hire lawyers, we will do something about it at that point in time. But i am sorry, i can neither go to malaysia ( because of my studies, nor can i gather any kind of money for anything, as i would not like that kind of attention.)
I hope you understand why i cant.
Best Regards
marek
way2go
well I guess we should get our own lawyer. like I said I'll donate 100.00 to this and I don't have much but I'm willing to gamble on this as last option either make it or brake it
way2go is right. We should first try to get in contact with theQuote:
Originally Posted by way2go
lawyer representing Bryan and or pips.
If we can verify that ,then at least we can make some decisions
from there.
In a way he would be representing all of the pips members so I feel
this is a place to at least start.
IMHO
1177
I recommend you leave well alone.
paddy
I agree. We all are in the same boat as BM...He has to wait on BoN and so do we. It's obvious that no one involved in the investigation is going anywhere. If Bryan or anyone were going to "disappear", they would have already done it (kind of like some who were involved early on have "disappeared"). I think a group as large as ours here at ROLClub would more than likely cause more harm than good; the axiom about a blind elephant in a china shop comes to mind. Let's keep the lines of communication open and try to keep things polite/positive. If we focus on things other than Pips, for a while, it won't seem long before it will all be resolved.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddyfield
How about we hire an independant 3rd party to represent us.We could hire an international lawyer who has no ties to pips, Bm,Bon, or rolclub.We could setup with them to take the donations and place them in trust so that we know the money is being used properly.This would go along way to dealing with the obvious mistrust by some members.
MAREK Im disapointed in you , you talk the talk- but can"t do the walk.
This is totally inappropriate...There are legal reasons why the "pooling" of funds is a very bad idea. Watch your step and don't make things personal...EW
Before we even considering to hire a lawyer we should know for sure if our PIPS and PicPay money were real or just numbers on computer screen. "Does the money exists?" is another questons Bryan avoided to answer, and I also understand that this is one of the aspects that BN is trying to figure out.
Only Bryan knows the answer to this but he won't tell.
So how do we get answers to this without a lawyer?Quote:
Originally Posted by way2go
Marek,
Your question rings loud and clear but it doesn't appear there are any way near enough folks inputting their views to be considered the view of the membership at large. (As you stated before we probably have as many opinions as we do members.) In light of that I think we need to back out and do what we do best - wait - patiently or otherwise. If we can't wait it out, then we need to get on with something else or just hang it up altogether.
Gary H (retred)
Look here labile forum members; the time for some issues on BM or BON is premature by now - because the investigation is not ended.
If the outcome of the case is bad - then we have lift the issue to next level. Now we do not know so we can not proseed with anything.
Dear Marek, Thankyou again for trying to get info for us all. It is sad that in doing so we have made BM angry as I really beleive he is doing all he can and is probably very run down and tired and stressed as we all are.
Firstly, I would like to state that I do not think sending a lawyer to Mal.
is a good idea, and will only make things worse. However after reading some pipsters posts, a thought came to mind, which may get us some official info. without being too interferring and possibly holding things up.
I seem to recall that when the person from the Swedish Embassy got their info back they said that any country's embassy could do the same.
Perhaps one of you who is not angry but just wants some real info could contact their embassy in Mal. and ask them to find out on our behalf.
Apparantly they have to act, if we ask in the proper manner.
If someone decides to do that, let us know on this forum, so we dont all bombarde our respected embassies and in turn, the bank ends up with many
Different countries officials annoying them and holding things up even more.
I feel we could get at least some official info. as you wouldn't think they would lie to another countries ambassador as easily as they would to one of us, just phoning in.
Just a suggestion. Keep Positive everyone. God Bless. Worshipgirl
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Originally Posted by Admin
Hi Marek,
First I would like to get some clarification to what you mean by your question.
1) Do you mean how can we unite in ACTION and DO something?
Or
2) Do you mean how can we unite so that people CO-EXIST PEACEFULLY rather than beating each other up in the discussions/threads in the forum?
From the responses I've seen in this thread it seems that people tend to interpret your question as to how we can unite in action and do something together.
To me that seems impossible, but I think it's possible to co-exist peacefully even though we don't all agree with each other.
How? The only way I know is by accepting that we disagree. That allows us to treat each other with respect. As far as I know, no one in the history of the world has ever been able to really convince or get rid of those who disagree with them, so trying to seems to be a lost cause. Never, to my knowledge, have everyone agreed on something.
One simple thing is to start to say what you think in terms of that it is a belief you hold and not an ultimate truth. Instead of claiming to know "how it is" it helps to say that it "seems like this" to me. Then you may still be "right" in your views without taking the "right" from others.
It's like there are two polarities here at the forum. If there's a way to "merge" everyone from those two polarities mentally and spiritually that would be great 'cause it would allow everyone to get real insight into the world of the other from their own perspective. To accept the world of the other. (Besides, it would be a spectacular "short-circuit" fireworks show! :smile: )
Peace :smile:
Don't jump the gun or send anyone yet! Organization and collecting data is a must! Remember, we are dealing with limited resources. Let's make it count.
How many support the idea of hiring a lawyer?
How many support sending a rep tp malaysia?
How many wants to sit and wait?
Knowing where the members stand, if we proceed to research for a lawyer that will take up our cause and know what to do.
and so forth!
Thebat$ says...
How about we start at basics. Have two threds. One that is "Positive to pips"
One, "No hope for pips". Then each member can bump the thread according to
their own thoughts. At least then the positive bumps can get on and think of
something constructive, and the others can brood, or do whatever it is that they do. At the least we will know where we stand our selves. No offense to
the "no hope for pips" bumpers. I just unfairly lost my job, had just managed to
get some money, now storm pay has put an end to that, never got a cent from
pips, have been avicted, watch my house burn down, (somebody stuffed the
insurance), lost our propert, lost my father at age 2, and etc etc etc.
But i am for "Positive/hope for pips".
Hi
There are some suggestions of a representative going to Malaysia to act on our behalf. I beleive this to be a great idea. However for the representative to talk to the Bank I believe would be fruitless, they simply won't give any information due to legal reasons (well that's what I believe anyway). But if the representative was to be able to meet up with Bryan for a one on one lunch would seem to me to be the way to go. I'm am happy to put myself on the chopping block and go to Malaysia. I can assure I would not be doing this just to have a look at the sights and sounds of Malaysia as I have Rhumatoid Athritis and a 7 Hour flight from Australia to Malaysia is certainly not going to be a comfortable trip for me. Since getting Rhumatoid I have been unable to work and Pips was going to be my way of getting out of the desperate financial situation I am now in. I am not a Lawyer....however I used to be a Television Producer/Journalist. I am happy to ask any questions that are asked of me of my past working history all that can be backed up by strong references. I look forward to further discussion on this matter.
Bryan said he was handling it and I don't think we need to stir up the pot any more. All we can do is wait for the investigation to be over and go from there.
I think we can be hep to the posters who are just trying to incite. Really look at some of these posts. Some try to reason with your sensibilities and are just trying to pull you in to their ploys.. Water that might be an interesting idea to try....
There are a lot of people here trying to cause trouble you know? That takes away from us uniting and keeping things constructive and on track.