Thread: Reason - information - disinformation

When there is a storm outside you can’t really hear the voice of reason or the voice of the gentle heart.

Two posts reflects the above; first Tors (tmaa) excellent post:

1. As to the information from the BN official about possible "bad conduct of business", that has in my opinion to be taken for what it is worth. A statement from someone whose job it is to do nothing, but look for such issues.

2. If these issues had been crystal clear in PIPS disfavour I am pretty sure that BN would have done something about it a long while ago. The fact that they are still spending time on it can be taken as an indication that they have not yet been able to come up with anything substantial.

3. The fact also remains that not until their findings have been heard by a court of law and not until the court has ruled on the issue, can anyone, including BN, have a valid and legal opinion about this.

4. Finally, how can it be that an offcial representative from the Swedish Embassy in KL recently contacted BN and was told that they had concluded their findings and a report was on its way to the Malaysian Attorney General. Its strikes me as very peculiar to put it politely, that information from the same office can be so contradicting.

There is no doubt in my mind that there are strong forces behind this, much stronger forces than BN. To me it looks like BN is merely a pawn in this nasty game and that is also why they are dragging their heels and giving all sorts of different information.

Until we have the final say from the court, however, everything remains the same.

Regards Tor
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Further: how come BoN in the first place gives us any information under an ongoing investigation? What is the effect of BoN:s “default” statement, “reason to believe…”, "bad conduct of business…"? First, they justify their investigation and secondly they most effective point at Bryans direction as being the one to blame for this hole mess! They have no interest, what so ever, having 150000 members from everywhere initiate legal action.

The second post I want put forward is from a four star information general, Thumper from former DBR!

Hey club, What's up?

I know that this post may not make me very popular between the negative posts and the silence of Bryan, but please hear me out. Bryan doesn't have a stronger supporter than me, but please hear me out.

Most of you know that I went to Malaysia in May, just a few weeks before Gary and Warren resigned. I had several good conversations with several managers, Gary, Bryan, Sharon, Warren, and many of the "girls" that we all talked to on the phones. Things were already in pretty bad standing. Warren had come in wanting to make a lot of changes because he had no idea how many problems were cropping up all over the world. The first day in his office there were three new C&D orders from different US States, one from Canada and one from another country, New Zealand I believe though don't quote me on that. I remember also hearing the name "Queen Beatrice" if that rings any bells...

The gist of a lot of those conversations was that PIPS and it's subordinate companies were working in different jurisdictions all over the world. Imagine, if you will, taking on a project like that and trusting certain people to ensure that in absolutely every jurisdiction the company operated in, it kept track of every little change to applicable laws and immediately complied with all of them.

An example given in Gary's office was this: Bryan wanted to ensure that he could help as many people as he possibly could. Pioneers will remember that in the early days, people who lived in Malaysia could not participate because of some kind of laws about that kind of program operating out of their own country. By using some kind of structure in another country (Panama I believe) he was able to allow some of these to participate. Syed, the PIPS attorney who many of us met prior, had already left PIPS to study international law, but it was his understanding that this would be a lasting structure. According to Warren (the example given in Gary's office) this was an international no-no and should not have been attempted.

There were several things that Warren alluded to but didn't name and I won't even make a guess as to what all they added up to, but basically, he said that he couldn't believe the incoming surge of little problems coming in from so many jurisdictions. He said that ALL of them could be overcome and corrected, but some things had to be changed in order for that to happen. Some of them that he mentioned were things that were all over the old forums: closing new memberships, closing the forums, decreasing the benefits of PIPS and so on. He said that he had handed over thick, lengthy documents supporting all of these arguments to Bryan, and shortly after June we saw the forums go away.

While no one supports Bryan more than I do, I can say that communication isn't his strong suit, even when he's allowed to speak. I believe, and will continue to believe, that he is not allowed to speak right now. Until the investigation is over, I don't believe that anyone is legally able to speak about inconclusive results.

I believe that PIPS as a company had some short-comings. I believe that Bryan tried to do too much on his own and didn't delegate nearly enough. I believe that Bryan micro-managed the entire thing to death. This inefficiency early caused problems later on and when he had to depend on people like ... well, we won't name names... but when he finally did release some responsibility to others to ensure proper compliance in all of those jurisdictions that he was trying to operate in...he got let down. There is no doubt they were swamped, they didn't really get their reigns until it was ALMOST too late and when they did, they didn't do enough. They had enough money and could have got a lot more staff but not enough was done too late in the game to sort it all out.

I believe these things because they were discussed face-to-face with me. I also believe that Bryan has some aces in the hole. I have reason to believe that. Don't ask.

Bottom line is, I believe in Bryan and what he started out trying to do. I believe that he is capable of winning the war though there may be a few "not good conduct" battles that he will certainly lose. He Gary and Warren told me that, though not exactly in those words.

More than all of this, I believe that if we give up on Bryan now, the Negativity generated by hundreds of thousands of people will collectively be the end of what we all have worked and hoped for. Please don't give up on Bryan. Please have the faith, equivalent to a mustard seed, and if you can't believe that he WILL WIN, then at least believe that there is a CHANCE that he MIGHT WIN.

Please don't give this any negative energy. Instead, pray, or whatever you might call it in your belief system, with a sincerely open heart...put forth your positive "prayer," "energy" or whatever and then ask the question of what will happen without worry.

Many people have heard me say that everything happens for a reason, but I don't believe that Bryan brought us all to this point to lose. Let's win this. Help Bryan by giving him your good thoughts and energies and wait it out. Once the investigation is over we will see what the true findings are and whether or not the general population is making mountains out of ant-hills.

Give Bryan a chance. Some feel that they have already given him a chance but if you look at how slow the legal system is and how many jurisdictions they have to investigate (at least 72 that I know of) and all applicable laws, you would KNOW that it's going to take a while longer.

You have absolutely nothing MORE to lose by doing this and everything to gain if we are successful COLLECTIVELY by waiting and giving good energies.

v/r

Thumper
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Tor and Thumper, thank you again. I hope you don’t mind me posting this?

Please everyone read them again!

At last a sensible post.

what if............ In the end the restructured program is back and they find Pips to be clean... I'm not into false hope, I just think we don't know the final outcome yet... Right?

Good post, Trice...

And I do think Bryan is a good man and not a scammer. I can't imagine the position he is in.

Thank you for post Trice.

I have beeing with this support all along. People just do not want to listen, and by doing wrong thing could destroy much we got.

Let's give Bryan a time. It would be not long.

I hope Marek reads this too.

God bless you all

Thanks Trice for bringing together a good balance on this issue. We have come this far, no turning back now for me! I will say it is over only if Bryan says it is over.

JB

There have been a number of people who have called BON and each has been given a slightly different answer.

There was a post at Aus Pips about TG calling and being highly upset about what they were told.....and that they were going to step up their attack on the situation.

Makes me wonder what forces are behind all of this, in this forum!

I'll wait for Bryan....bottom line is.....I can't loose anymore by doing so!

Thanks Thumper!

jjm

Trice/Tor and Thumper!

Yes, at last a sensible post, everyone should read this!

What a relief. In all this madness of lynch mob fray, a few sensible posts.

Why the need to make Bryan the bad guy? And for that matter, why the need to make everyone not in the lynching party a bad guy?

Peace friends. Hold peace.

best posts I've seen in weeks!...bump

Yes this needs BUMP