Thread: If your moneys gone, please go away

We know but why are you still posting here. If you are still reading and
posting here then that sounds like a glimmer of hope. If you know your
money has gone, you don't need to convince the rest of us. If like the rest
of us you can accept the fact that you still visit this forum, because of the
slight hope that there may be some GOOD news (no matter how much you
disguise this from your self ). Then realise This, you might find your smile.
Otherwise can you seriously hide the fact that this hope still exists. And
remember it is an educated hope. Look at the evidence, buildings where
purchased, confreces held, identitys shared openly, previous members paid
for years. Accept the humility that you may have lost, then get on with the
rest of the winners. Hope a little, Pray a little, share a positive thought or
inspiration. Or alternativly at least realise that you are making an attempt to
crush/destroy that that is good in us by posting "your money's gone, face it
etc etc etc". Get on the band wagon, we are all hoping, looking to freedom.

Or may i suggest that we just ignore these posts. Reading, or sorting
through them is a headache in itself. If you don't reply, you won't give it the
energy. It's like pushing digested food uphill. Let it go. It's trying to drag
these people to enlightment that keeps dragging us back down the hill. Then
when you fall from Their weight, they kick off you, push your face into it
then latch on to the next. If you are halfway up the mountain. Then Let
them climb for themselves. And they should know, we will not be the ones
saying that you can't. And we know, that you have this hope, the same
as the rest of us. To be Free. So hope a little, humility is there in case we
are wrong. Do you have the strength to use it ?

Of course every person that has money in PIPS "hopes" that it will return and we can all get our money, but that doesnt mean that every one that visits here "believes" it will return. Some people are realistic. Doesnt mean they are bad people, realistic is a good thing.

unfortunately there are those who claim to have lost all 'hope'... they then post the reasons why their hope is gone, and encourage the rest of us to join in their despair.

and so the argument continues....
no hope?... leave us our hope, and go away.
have hope? ... please don't post like you do not.

But truthfully, I believe anyone that has money in Pips... must be holding on to some thread of hope... even if it seems minute.
Some post because they are on the verge of despair, and want to hear some 'positives' ... to sooth their worried minds. (they may never admit that, or even recognize it)

and the third element.... those who post because they get some sort of sick enjoyment or power trip, from the idea of making others worry and despair.... some of whom I'm sure don't even have anything invested in Pips.... yuck... they are the nastiest of nasties......imho.

Originally Posted by Get R. Done

Some people are realistic. Doesnt mean they are bad people, realistic is a good thing.

...Yes! But the definition of "Reality" is where we seem to find all the discord!! (IMHO) Maybe we need to shift our intentions from "being realistic" to...

Acceptance

-- Then What?

by Marie T. Russell

One of the teachings that has been emphasized by many teachers is that of acceptance. Accepting what is. What exactly does that mean? Does it mean accepting the way things are? Well, yes it does, but it doesn't stop there.

Acceptance is in a sense acknowledging how things are -- without judgment, without negativity, without anger and blame. It is an impartial observation: I see how this is, I acknowledge that this is so. Yet, does it mean that nothing can change? No. It is said that the only constant is change -- in other words, everything is always is a state of change, either growing or disintegrating. There is no such thing as stability -- everything is always moving, changing.

So when we accept things as they are, we are simply noticing them, acknowledging that they exist. For example, let's say that your house is dirty. In order to clean it, you first have to accept, acknowledge, admit, that it is dirty. From that observation, you then decide to clean it (or not). In order for things to change, one must first accept, or acknowledge them as they are.

The important part of acceptance is to accept or notice without judgment, criticism, blame, or anger. We seem to have a tendency to attach emotions to our observations, as in, My house is dirty, I'm such a slob or I just can't seem to keep this house clean. It's overwhelming. These statements are charged with judgment and criticism. Acceptance on the other hand simply says, The house is dirty. The next step then becomes simply another step in the observation process, asking what I can do about it -- and then doing it without having beaten myself up about it.

Yet, so many times, we get angry when we notice behaviors that we have, or that others have. Noticing in itself is impartial -- we simply notice, we are aware of something. But the next step is the one that gets us in trouble -- the part where we attach a judgment to the observation. We look at something and then get into criticizing it, blaming someone, heaping anger upon it. Then we get caught up in focusing on "the problem" and noticing all the things we don't like about it, everything that is "wrong with it".

Acceptance, or non-judgment, on the other hand also notices these things but without the added charge of anger, blame, self-righteousness, etc. Acceptance sees what is, and then goes on to ask if there is anything that can be done. If the answer is yes, then we can move forward. The choice in direction or attitude comes immediately after noticing something -- that's when we have a choice. We can launch into criticism, anger, etc., or we can say, I can do something about this.

To go back to the example of the dirty house. Once I observe that the house is dirty, I can choose the self-recriminating path (bad girl, blaming someone else, etc.) or I can say, what can I do about it now? Maybe I can only do a very small step now -- like deciding that I will pick up one thing now and put it away, I can make a decision to do that each time I walk through the room, or I can "make an appointment" with myself to clean it up after work, or I can stop and clean it up now. Whatever decision you make is irrelevant. The important thing is to make a decision to move forward and change the situation -- a decision that is not based on blame, criticism, anger, blame, etc.

First I accept the fact that the house is dirty -- after all if I don't accept that fact, then I get caught up in either pretending it is clean, or simply trying to ignore it. We do this a lot with other situations in our life. We ignore (or criticize) things that we really need to accept (or be aware of), so that we can then go on and make a change. If we are unhappy in our job, we first need to accept that (acknowledge it), then we can ask ourselves what we can do about it. If we feel stressed, we first must notice the stress, and then we can see what has to be done. If we are ill, we must first accept that this is a fact, and then make choices as to what we can do to become well again.
Without self-examination, or self-observation, we do not see the way out. Yet, many times, we are afraid to look closely, because we fear that there is no solution. Yet, there is always a solution, there is always an alternative. If at first the solution or alternative that appears before you seems undoable, then you have choices. You can keep looking for another alternative, you can examine the one that you see and decide which part is workable and which part is not, or of course, you can choose to do nothing about it at the moment. That is what is called free will.

The important part of any decision we make is to accept the choice we are making, and realize that we can always make a different choice later on. For example, let's say that we are dealing with an addiction (either substance abuse, relationship addiction, behavior or habit, etc.). First we acknowledge (accept) that there is an addiction. Then we ask ourselves if we want to change this behavior. If the answer is yes, then we go from there. If the answer is no, then we need to accept the choice we have made -- which doesn't mean we can't make a different choice later. We always have another chance to make another decision.

There are many things in the world that we can look at and judge and criticize and seek to lay blame. However, where does that get us? Simply deeper in the mire of judgment, negativity, and anger.

If we apply the concept of acceptance to "the outside world", we accept what is -- in other words we notice it, we become aware of it without getting all worked up about it. We notice the corruption in business, in government, in human behavior. We notice the problems in our educational system. We notice that the environment has been polluted, and damaged. We notice these things without getting into a rage about them. We accept that these things are currently a reality.
However, accepting that they are a reality, doesn't mean lying down and "taking it". In other words, seeing that "something is" doesn't mean that we can't change it. Once we notice these things (whether in ourselves or in the outside world), the next step is to ask ourselves what we can do about it. There is always something we can do -- usually there are many things we can do. This is where our choices lay -- we can see the ways things are and ignore them; we can see the way things are and get angry and rant and rave and do nothing constructive; or we can see the way things are and choose to make a difference.

The only way our world will change (our personal interior world and the world outside) is for us to take action, in whichever way we feel appropriate. However, it behooves us to realize that acting from acceptance means letting go of the energies of anger, blame, criticism, revenge, self-pity, etc. We can much more efficiently affect change by doing so with an impartial energy -- one that seeks to improve, to heal, to "make better" -- rather than one that wants to prove the "other behavior" wrong.

Whether we focus on cleaning our living room, or the planet itself, we will get much better results if we do so from love instead of anger and impatience. We can decide to make a difference because we want to live in harmony, beauty, and peace. We can decide to make changes in our lives because we desire to live in a more harmonious and loving environment. We can decide to make a difference in the world because we have a vision of a better world.

We first accept that changes are needed, then we take the steps to create those changes. It is our life, it is our energy, it is our world. We can choose to live in heaven on earth, or in hell on earth. It is our choice because we decide which direction we go from here… each and every moment of our day.

If not us, then who?

Peace! (Just trying to be more "realistic")

Larry

Good point Larry. Thanks much

I’m certain that if anyone really has lost all hope of ever seeing PIPS return they would be gone. They wouldn’t keep coming here and telling us they have moved on.

Regarding being realistic, fine lets get real then. Bottom line in my view is that currently we are aware of just THREE facts:

1. That payments to members has ceased.

2. That the company has been put on hold by the Malaysian authority whilst an
investigation of the affairs of the organisation is carried out.

3. That no verifiable information is currently available to give reasons for fact
1 & 2, above.

Everything else is a big and highly varied assortment of personal opinions and theories. Whereas some of the opinions are interesting and give food for thought in my opinion, the undeniable fact is that they are all based on incomplete evidence. The jury is still out (so to speak) and therefore arriving at a firm conclusion at PIPS current and future status at this point is premature.
If I am failing to see any additional facts that may exist, please point them out.

I personally think the investigation will take every bit of a year to complete.

Chester;

I have to agree with your view of the situation... as far as it went.

I don't know how long you've been involved with PIPS or other internet programs, so forgive me if I sound somewhat condescending in this reply!!

I've been attempting this whole "achieving financial independence with the internet" thing for about 6 years now.... obviously, not too successfully either!! I've been "scammed", "burned" and "pillaged" by most of these so-called "opportunities"... mostly through my own naiety and ignorance!! I've just chalked it up to the "cost of education".

However there are things that've happened with PIPS that just don't FIT with my previous experience of "SCAMS"!!

There are many but the most outstanding (IMO) are these:

1. Bryan is STILL here!! (or there??) Now, if I were in his shoes (or sandals?) and I had a "hint" that BNM or any "authorities" were coming AND I knew that I'd been just lying and scamming hundreds of thousands of people all over the planet, would I STILL be in Malaysia??? (I don't THINK SO!!)

2. His "trusted" employee's/managers that seemed to so suddenly change allegiance have not presented any "evidence" of Bryan's misdeeds. (to my knowledge anyway)

3. The central bank has all the information and data necessary to determine the truth regarding any invested funds existing! In my feeble mind, it would not take them long to make the determination that this was a "scam" or "ponzi" or NOT!! The fact that they are still "going through the process" is actually good news to me. (Although, frustrating!!)

So this is why I'm still here and supporting Bryan's vision in the most POSITIVE way I can!!!

Now y'all can call me a "pollyanna" or "cheerleader" (but if ya saw my pompom's you'd never say that again!!! ) but that's "Just my thoughts"!!!

Peace to all!

Larry

I Totally Agree Larry, except for one thing.
YOUR POM POMS? LOL


Mike

well, everyone's already seen my pom poms... so....

here ya go...