my turn on the soapbox

I've been reading through all the current threads re PIPSaid,etc and there seems to be a loud minority trying to use this as a way to get there whining about frozen funds to the forefront.
If you want your funds unfrozen,BNM is your gripe,NOT Bryan.You can either be inactive or proactive,it looks to me as though Bryan is trying to be proactive by bringing a small part of PIPS back online ASAP.
I read all the posts re gambling is bad,I don't do that blah,blah,blah.We get it already,you don't gamble nor do you approve of gambling,move on with your life,nobody cares if you join the new site or not.DON'T PREACH TO OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT THE ILLS OF GAMBLING,most of us already know gambling is a,well,a "gamble"!!!!
A lot of this crap reminds me of "big brother" stepping in all over in the land below us and "protecting" people from supposed scammers by closing HYIPs and freezing funds without properly investigating what it is they are protecting us from,not that it would matter to the alphabet people anyway.There are always people who are looking out for our best interests out of the goodness of their teeny tiny little hearts,yeah right!!
I could probably go on for a while longer,but I'm plumb tuckered out now,so I'll go and rest for awhile.

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I've been reading through all the current threads re PIPSaid,etc and there seems to be a loud minority trying to use this as a way to get there whining about frozen funds to the forefront.
If you want your funds unfrozen,BNM is your gripe,NOT Bryan.You can either be inactive or proactive,it looks to me as though Bryan is trying to be proactive by bringing a small part of PIPS back online ASAP.
I read all the posts re gambling is bad,I don't do that blah,blah,blah.We get it already,you don't gamble nor do you approve of gambling,move on with your life,nobody cares if you join the new site or not.DON'T PREACH TO OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT THE ILLS OF GAMBLING,most of us already know gambling is a,well,a "gamble"!!!!
A lot of this crap reminds me of "big brother" stepping in all over in the land below us and "protecting" people from supposed scammers by closing HYIPs and freezing funds without properly investigating what it is they are protecting us from,not that it would matter to the alphabet people anyway.There are always people who are looking out for our best interests out of the goodness of their teeny tiny little hearts,yeah right!!
I could probably go on for a while longer,but I'm plumb tuckered out now,so I'll go and rest for awhile.

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Couldn't agree more...

Bump!!!

DITTO..........................Good post, lifes a gamble, so get use to it. (g)

Good luck to all, Mike

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If you want your funds unfrozen,BNM is your gripe,NOT Bryan.

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I was not aware that BNM is the owner of PIPS Inc? Should I tell my landlord to ask BNM for handouts when I refuse to pay for a year? I am serious about this, exactly who did we lend money to??? Please give me a simple answer, was it BNM or BM (enough of the name calling...)?

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I was not aware that BNM is the owner of PIPS Inc? Should I tell my landlord to ask BNM for handouts when I refuse to pay for a year? I am serious about this, exactly who did we lend money to??? Please give me a simple answer, was it BNM or BM (enough of the name calling...)?

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I'm sorry but that was a dumb comment. The bank is the one who froze the money, not Bryan. Once the bank unfreezes the funds, then ask for your money. Until then, Bryan can do nothing.

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I was not aware that BNM is the owner of PIPS Inc? Should I tell my landlord to ask BNM for handouts when I refuse to pay for a year? I am serious about this, exactly who did we lend money to??? Please give me a simple answer, was it BNM or BM (enough of the name calling...)?

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You nailed it WerkostoGuru. We loaned our money to Bryan, not BN. Bryan is the one who stopped paying, not BN. We still don't know why but i'm sure we'll find out eventually. Hopefully this investigation will reveal what Bryan has chosen not to and yes Bryan it is your choice.

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I'm sorry but that was a dumb comment. The bank is the one who froze the money, not Bryan. Once the bank unfreezes the funds, then ask for your money. Until then, Bryan can do nothing.

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Sorry, you guys, but this is very flawed reasoning. The reason BoN froze the funds was because Bryan's company had not paid the money (millions of dollars) due its loaning members for over 8 months, and people started to complain, thus requiring the investigation. BoN had no choice, and is not where to place the blame.

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Sorry, you guys, but this is very flawed reasoning. The reason BoN froze the funds was because Bryan's company had not paid the money (millions of dollars) due its loaning members for over 8 months, and people started to complain, thus requiring the investigation. BoN had no choice, and is not where to place the blame.

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I agree..But lets take another look at the situation of WHY there were the complaints to bring about the investigation..This is purely speculation on my part, but I have silently seen some things that give it a bit of credence..I truly believe that there was someone in the upper management that was 'pencil whipping' the withdrawals to make it APPEAR as tho those funds went to the intended recipient, where in truth the funds went into their grubby hands..If one was around when withdrawals started to slow to a trickle, you would remember that for A LOT of that time frame Bryan was occupied on ventures outside of Malaysia and left a certain person in charge of things..And remember also that Bryan kept asserting that members WERE being paid, cause he only had reports from the home office that everything was 'hunky dory here boss'..Only when he returned and took a close look at things that he got a little bit of what was going on..Just my humble opinion..There was also the 'rumor' of crooked merchants...

Cheers
Roo AKA Pantherjon(P-Jon)

Right P-John. That is exactly how I read what happened.
And also, do not forget that this very same person was responsible for the member updates and did so, albeit to a very small part of the membership through one Billy located in the US).

There is definitely a horrible smell around that P*ps management guy.

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I agree..But lets take another look at the situation of WHY there were the complaints to bring about the investigation..This is purely speculation on my part, but I have silently seen some things that give it a bit of credence..I truly believe that there was someone in the upper management that was 'pencil whipping' the withdrawals to make it APPEAR as tho those funds went to the intended recipient, where in truth the funds went into their grubby hands..If one was around when withdrawals started to slow to a trickle, you would remember that for A LOT of that time frame Bryan was occupied on ventures outside of Malaysia and left a certain person in charge of things..And remember also that Bryan kept asserting that members WERE being paid, cause he only had reports from the home office that everything was 'hunky dory here boss'..Only when he returned and took a close look at things that he got a little bit of what was going on..Just my humble opinion..There was also the 'rumor' of crooked merchants...

Cheers
Roo AKA Pantherjon(P-Jon)

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Interesting,

Good point, I remember it like yesterday when merchant payment issues were first being griped about as not receiving payments, and Bryan jumped in saying RUBBISH? That truly appeared to me that HE did not know what was going on, and sincerely believed payments had been made. After all, why would anyone say RUBBISH with contempt when questioned, if he had known what was really going on with merchant payment issue.

This was a trigger in my head that there was internal theft or some kind of fraud going on behind Bryan's back, so won't it be nice to hear the truth some day? Seems several people got the same feelings about managment. Just my two dinars on whole subject.

Good luck to all, Mike

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Interesting,

Good point, I remember it like yesterday when merchant payment issues were first being griped about as not receiving payments, and Bryan jumped in saying RUBBISH? That truly appeared to me that HE did not know what was going on, and sincerely believed payments had been made. After all, why would anyone say RUBBISH with contempt when questioned, if he had known what was really going on with merchant payment issue.

This was a trigger in my head that there was internal theft or some kind of fraud going on behind Bryan's back, so won't it be nice to hear the truth some day? Seems several people got the same feelings about managment. Just my two dinars on whole subject.

Good luck to all, Mike

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I agree with Mike. That what is exactly happened.

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A lot of this crap reminds me of "big brother" stepping in all over in the land below us and "protecting" people from supposed scammers by closing HYIPs and freezing funds without properly investigating what it is they are protecting us from

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But how do you know they didn't properly investigate it first before freezing the funds?

Do you think they just go shutting down multi million dollar companies without reason? The last thing the Malaysian governement wants is to drive away business's from their economy. Unless there was almost undisputable evidence of fraud they would not freeze the entire business.

This may be unrelated, but, then again, it may hit the mark dead center. Three weeks before the closure of Pips by BN, I went into all my accounts to make another withdrawal; only to find out, after logging in sucessfully, that the ownership names to several of my accounts had been changed to names like "Achmed" and other muslim-sounding names. Well, you wouldn't believe what I had to go through with three Pips operators to straighten that highjacking out. I have all my accounts fully documented, screen copies of everything right from the Goldenwomb days, even the original spends. Well, to the first three operators I talked to, even that didn't seem to be enough to "prove" the accounts were mine instead of the "Achmed" criminals. Disgusted with them, I insisted on talking to "Tini," remember her, and gave her all the proof by quoting account numbers and withdrawal numbers, etc.: In about one minute, at the most, she had my accounts straightened out and the problem solved. Got control over the accounts that some number of Bryan's employees were trying to steal, and I had the passwords changed for those accounts. Tini had begun to warn me of something when someone came in and she clammed up instantly and started saying something entirely unrelated. I told her, on my end, that I suspected the problem with the withdrawals and, evidently, successful and non-successful attempts at stealing peoples accounts were being done by her fellow employees, and would she name anyone. She said she couldn't respond to that. Actually, I suspected then, and still do, that muslim extremists had infiltrated Bryan's operations and were trying to steal funds and accounts for their activities.

Three weeks later, BN closes Pips down. Now, this is now neither here nor there, but, damn it, those events did happen to me; attempts by some of Bryan's muslim employees to steal three of my largest accounts. If there was or is a muslim extremist involvement, then, well, it changes things significantly, especially in terms of BN's investigation. I don't know, of course, this is speculation, an attempt on my part to make sense out of the attempted highjacking of the accounts mentioned and out of Tini's reaction to whoever came in that day. But this is something to think about at any rate. Actually, I've been a little surprised that I haven't heard of this happening to anyone else. Maybe it has, maybe it hasn't, but it did happen to this pipster. By the way, I mentioned "accounts" and that is related to the transition from Goldenwomb to Pips; I joined with Bryan in Goldenwomb in October of 2002, so my history with Bryan and Pips goes back to the earliest days. It was guys like me that brought in the initial population of Goldenwomb and, later, Pips. Anyway, like I said, neither here nor there, now, but something to think about. And, to Bryan I say, get 'um Man, make it happen!

Best regards,

thelema

Hi Thelema,

I too had the same problem at approximately the same time you did. I was a new investor and had 2 separate accounts. My account was also changed and admin changed my password. My husbands account has never been correct and I could only get into it for the first month. However I do have all of the records along with my copies of wire transmittals.

I know that BM is doing his best and we are behind him 100%

May God Bless All

You are the first other one that I've heard of it happening to. I forgot to mention that my largest account, and the one with the actual "Achmed" name attached to it was the only one that had also had the password changed. The other two I caught, evidently, in time before they could change the password. I had to call on trying to get in to that main account, and that is when I hit a huge resistance from three of the operators. It was then that I insisted on talking to Tini--I also asked for Anusha but she was off that day, sick--and Tini made extremely short work out of the situation. She was/is so amazing; I miss her, I really do. Anyway, there was some very disturbing criminal activity going on among his employees that I don't think Bryan had a clue of; in fact I'm sure of it. I think now he knows, however, but I don't know what or if he can say about it. For the future, though, it remains a problem; if extremists did, in fact, infiltate Pips, you know they'll try doing it again. And think from where he must draw his employee population! How is he going to handle these kinds of security issues? This is a tough deal, here, and with no easy solution. Anyway, thanks for sounding off that it happened to you; I've been curious about this with others all this time.

Best regards,

thelema

It is unfortunate that we have so many who felt "cheated" and were as quick to judge BM despite the lack of knowing enough with regards to circumstances that are potentially possible.

Having said that, those affected by the misfortune as described above, should make themselves available to stand-in with such evidence when the time requires... it would help equally well in nailing them bloody culprits who actually needs to be tracked down and scalped off from whatever savings they had accumulated from us all.... :nunu:

YB. :beer:

maybe someone should start a thread regarding this... to see if any other's have similar stories

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But how do you know they didn't properly investigate it first before freezing the funds?

Do you think they just go shutting down multi million dollar companies without reason? The last thing the Malaysian governement wants is to drive away business's from their economy. Unless there was almost undisputable evidence of fraud they would not freeze the entire business.

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Oh no?

It was a local bank that turned Plexpay in to the local Police in Norway, simply because they were moving large amounts of money. They had no evidence and still have no evidence of fraud. They started by investigating an individual officer of the company but denied the whole company the right to do business, without any proof whatsover - so the answer is yes, they do shut down business' in any part of the world on the concept that you are guilty until proven innocent. And yes, they have frozen the whole industry.

But then you knew this.

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You are the first other one that I've heard of it happening to. I forgot to mention that my largest account, and the one with the actual "Achmed" name attached to it was the only one that had also had the password changed. The other two I caught, evidently, in time before they could change the password. I had to call on trying to get in to that main account, and that is when I hit a huge resistance from three of the operators. It was then that I insisted on talking to Tini--I also asked for Anusha but she was off that day, sick--and Tini made extremely short work out of the situation. She was/is so amazing; I miss her, I really do. Anyway, there was some very disturbing criminal activity going on among his employees that I don't think Bryan had a clue of; in fact I'm sure of it. I think now he knows, however, but I don't know what or if he can say about it. For the future, though, it remains a problem; if extremists did, in fact, infiltate Pips, you know they'll try doing it again. And think from where he must draw his employee population! How is he going to handle these kinds of security issues? This is a tough deal, here, and with no easy solution. Anyway, thanks for sounding off that it happened to you; I've been curious about this with others all this time.

Best regards,

thelema

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Thelema!...interesting.

I had a nasty experience in january 2005, where a couple of PIPS employees sent me several emails stating that I owed PIPS more than USD 5,000.00...which was just pure rubbish. I spent several weeks disputing their claims, and fortunately I could document all my transactions since June 2004. They never apologized for their behavour or gave me any evidence of their claims, even though I asked for a rational explanation of their attempt to cheat me.

hine

At the risk of sounding prejudice (which I am not at all) the only safe thing would be not to hire muslims then. I wouldnt know how else to screen for this type of behavior.

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You are the first other one that I've heard of it happening to. I forgot to mention that my largest account, and the one with the actual "Achmed" name attached to it was the only one that had also had the password changed. The other two I caught, evidently, in time before they could change the password. I had to call on trying to get in to that main account, and that is when I hit a huge resistance from three of the operators. It was then that I insisted on talking to Tini--I also asked for Anusha but she was off that day, sick--and Tini made extremely short work out of the situation. She was/is so amazing; I miss her, I really do. Anyway, there was some very disturbing criminal activity going on among his employees that I don't think Bryan had a clue of; in fact I'm sure of it. I think now he knows, however, but I don't know what or if he can say about it. For the future, though, it remains a problem; if extremists did, in fact, infiltate Pips, you know they'll try doing it again. And think from where he must draw his employee population! How is he going to handle these kinds of security issues? This is a tough deal, here, and with no easy solution. Anyway, thanks for sounding off that it happened to you; I've been curious about this with others all this time.

Best regards,

thelema

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Hello Style,

Hiring there does present problems that challenge a solution but then Bryan had employees such as Tini and Anusha that were simply as good as people come, the best anybody could ask for. It's just that the potential for muslim extremist interest or agenda for the extraordinary profits of Pips/Picpay conceivably does exist; and, as a security issue, I don't see any way around addressing it in some way. With what happened to me three weeks before closing of Pips, I cannot help but see this as an issue that urgently needs to be addressed in a restructured Pips, as well as Picpay's operations. Non-extremist muslims are the norm, and honorable and beautiful people such as Tini and Anusha shine as examples of the best of human kind. It's just the geographical area contains an extremist element, as is especially prevalent among the Indonesian Islands, and we just don't know of how to predict or assess the possible implications of that element with regards to Pips/Picpay operations in Malaysia. I do think Bryan had some bad apples, as it were, among the believing Jinn--again, as it were. I also think Bryan is a man capable of handling these issues and that he will succeed in doing so.

Best regards,

Thelema

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I agree..But lets take another look at the situation of WHY there were the complaints to bring about the investigation..This is purely speculation on my part, but I have silently seen some things that give it a bit of credence..I truly believe that there was someone in the upper management that was 'pencil whipping' the withdrawals to make it APPEAR as tho those funds went to the intended recipient, where in truth the funds went into their grubby hands..If one was around when withdrawals started to slow to a trickle, you would remember that for A LOT of that time frame Bryan was occupied on ventures outside of Malaysia and left a certain person in charge of things..And remember also that Bryan kept asserting that members WERE being paid, cause he only had reports from the home office that everything was 'hunky dory here boss'..Only when he returned and took a close look at things that he got a little bit of what was going on..Just my humble opinion..There was also the 'rumor' of crooked merchants...

Cheers
Roo AKA Pantherjon(P-Jon)

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Pantherjon, I totally agree, which is why I did not say "Bryan" is to blame, perhaps I should have been more clear. But the company was not paying, and thus complaints and an investigation were inevitable. I have always suspected there was an inside job that was going on since at least fall of 2004, and think you outlined this well in your post. My point was that for those who keep blaming BoN, that is not where the blame lies. The situation had reached a point where freezing the funds became necessary for BoN to do what they need to do, but the problems started 8 to 10 months before BoN ever stepped in. I do believe one of Bryan's most serious mistakes was trusting the wrong person or persons, and that perhaps he has been a victim in all of this too.

I doubt we will ever be told what really happened. My guess is that all we will ever hear from BoN is whether or not they determined the company was legitimate or not, but I doubt we will be privy as to what else they found in their investigation. That will most likely have to come from Bryan, and I doubt he will tell us very much, for a variety of reasons. While I think it would be good public relations (for lack of a better way to put it) to give the loaning members some answers regarding what happened and why, I am not sure we are really entitled to anything more than very general answers. I would guess the majority would like to know the truth...I know I would. But, if our PicPay withdrawals are honored and things move forward and we can still earn based to some degree on where our accounts were back in August, then if we don't get to know anything more, I can sure live with that.

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I doubt we will ever be told what really happened. My guess is that all we will ever hear from BoN is whether or not they determined the company was legitimate or not, but I doubt we will be privy as to what else they found in their investigation. That will most likely have to come from Bryan, and I doubt he will tell us very much, for a variety of reasons. While I think it would be good public relations (for lack of a better way to put it) to give the loaning members some answers regarding what happened and why, I am not sure we are really entitled to anything more than very general answers. I would guess the majority would like to know the truth...I know I would. But, if our PicPay withdrawals are honored and things move forward and we can still earn based to some degree on where our accounts were back in August, then if we don't get to know anything more, I can sure live with that.

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I hope you're sitting down...In this particular case, Soaring, I couldn't agree more. :ro_emote: Now, pick yourself up from the floor. LOL

soaringeagle & everwiser I have to join you in agreement .
As far as a muslim extremists goes that is pure speculation.Thelema & teshema someone could have used arabic sounding names to throw you off of who actually was trying to take over your accounts. Just something to think about :wink:

Hi
No sorry the reason why BN ultimately froze the funds is because of people and peoples greed
It was not Bryan who was doing chargebacks and it wasnt Bryan putting up obstacles so this could fail.There are many people in high places who do not want something like PIPS to work,pure and simple
Growing to fast maybe also buy ultimately greed is the major factor in this
To all those people complaining and whining at Bryan take some responsibility for your thoughts and actions
Even in the end this turns out to be something we all hope its not you still make your own decisions in all areas of life

Greg

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I hope you're sitting down...In this particular case, Soaring, I couldn't agree more. :ro_emote: Now, pick yourself up from the floor. LOL

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Also agreed.

What puzzles me though, is why were the members not informed of the supposed thefts? Surely this would have resulted in no complaints and BNM not investigating.

Assuming any of this unsubstantiated theft story is true,be interesting to see a response from Bryan on this one.

Everwiser...I have a concussion now from the fall, but hopefully I will recover soon, lol!

Dreamer, yes, that is a good question... I know it was brought up somewhere sometime ago, and one of the reasons suggested was that it would have been premature and unwise for Bryan to tell that to the members...and perhaps he was unable to prove it? I don't know...just thinking out loud for the moment. Maybe part of the investigation is finding the money trail...then BoN can make the appropriate charges....?

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Everwiser...I have a concussion now from the fall, but hopefully I will recover soon, lol!

Dreamer, yes, that is a good question... I know it was brought up somewhere sometime ago, and one of the reasons suggested was that it would have been premature and unwise for Bryan to tell that to the members...and perhaps he was unable to prove it? I don't know...just thinking out loud for the moment. Maybe part of the investigation is finding the money trail...then BoN can make the appropriate charges....?

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Good thinking.Since its been going on for so long now you would have thought the culprits would have been tried and sentenced by now.....lol

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Good thinking.Since its been going on for so long now you would have thought the culprits would have been tried and sentenced by now.....lol

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I, for one, would sure like to be there front and center when they are tried and sentenced!!

I too would like to be there when that happens...Think there would be a very long line of us wanting to be front and center for it :)


Cheers
Pantherjon

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I agree..But lets take another look at the situation of WHY there were the complaints to bring about the investigation..This is purely speculation on my part, but I have silently seen some things that give it a bit of credence..I truly believe that there was someone in the upper management that was 'pencil whipping' the withdrawals to make it APPEAR as tho those funds went to the intended recipient, where in truth the funds went into their grubby hands..If one was around when withdrawals started to slow to a trickle, you would remember that for A LOT of that time frame Bryan was occupied on ventures outside of Malaysia and left a certain person in charge of things..And remember also that Bryan kept asserting that members WERE being paid, cause he only had reports from the home office that everything was 'hunky dory here boss'..Only when he returned and took a close look at things that he got a little bit of what was going on..Just my humble opinion..There was also the 'rumor' of crooked merchants...

Cheers
Roo AKA Pantherjon(P-Jon)

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Dreamer and SoaringEagle...
Finally we AGREE on something...at least for now....
remember this post from the 8:th of September....?
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Are we then asked to believe that Bryan carried on business for months and months knowing somebody had thier hands in the till? :?

Sorry cant believe that.I will support Bryan 100% and send wellwishes, but I dont buy this conspiracy theory.





DREAMER...

AS PART 2 of WHO's WHO was not included in the above post; I post both Part 1 and Part 2 here and now....

It's Just MY OWN Thoughts...

Largo
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:16 am Post subject:

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PART ONE

WHO is WHO?

WHO had a vision to HELP the needy and the little guy?
WHO started a company to accomplish this?
WHO made the company into a Huge WORLDWIDE membership?
WHO started a LOT of humanitarian aid projects?
WHO helped a lot of people to see a brighter future?
WHO made this into a huge success?

One don't have to guess who's who here...or..

WHO was HIRED to help CONTINUE the success?
WHO was responsible for getting more banks on the line?
WHO was responsible for getting debitcard platforms operational?
WHO was responsible for MANAGING the daily operations?

Did this WHO succeed in his work?

WHO of the above wanted to HELP others?

WHO of the above wanted first and foremost to earn a big profit as fast as possible?

Could there be conflicting interests here?

HOW can one divert the intention of one who first and foremost just want to help as many people in need as possible OVER to the intention of earning a big profit as fast as possible?

THE ANSWER.....YOU CAN'T!!!!!

THEN...what to do?

IS there maybe a way to TAKE OVER the operation????

Maybe if one IN A SECRET way started to sabotage the MONEYFLOW and then blame this on ...you know WHO...don't you!

Just MY OWN thoughts.

All The Best

Largo

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PART TWO

HOW can "the greedy ONE" get more help to sabotage?
( the greedy plotting)
HOW about hiring MY PEOPLE as employees?
HOW can I convince "the generous ONE" to agree on this action?
Well, we ARE expanding, we NEED more people AND we need NEW SERVERS...let's hire some of MY people.
Lets also recommend some of MY people to the CAPITAL COMPANY!!!
Let's see now....
HOW do we proceed?

1.Find some GREEDY people in the BANKS to work with...
2. Have a server crash so we can manipulate the MONEYFLOWS....and then blame it all on "the generous ONE"... he's the one who approves and
signs all transfers anyhow...does'nt he?
3.FIND some supporters to help with the BLAMING.
3.Start a forum for PAYING members only...by MY PEOPLE Outside.
4. Give EXCLUSIVE briefings to this people ONLY.
5.Create havoc in the payment system by implementing FRAUD in volume.
6.With the help of OUR greedy bankpeople, start freezing funds, and compile A SIGNIFICANT 8 FIGURE SUM.
7. Initiate an Investigation of "the generous ONE"....and have him removed from post.
8. In the mean time...start a NEW INVESTMENT SCHEME with the "LOYAL GREEDY PEOPLE" of ours with the help of ...A SIGNIFICANT 8 FIGURE SUM..HE HE HE.

THE OUTCOME

WHAT.....THEY DID'nt ARREST HIM?????

WHAT....ARE THE BANK INVESTIGATING US?????

BBUT...BBUT...BUT....

to be continued....

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It's only MY thoughts...

All The Best

Largo

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there was a CONTINUED Story to this that pretty much covers what you have found out now for yourself....

SO...welcome to the Club...

Just MY OWN Thoughts

:cool: :cool: Largo:wink: :wink:

I agree, and though I never had anything happen to me, like happend to you, that scenario you spoke about had crossed my mind.Yes it is something that needs to be addressed.

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Hello Style,

Hiring there does present problems that challenge a solution but then Bryan had employees such as Tini and Anusha that were simply as good as people come, the best anybody could ask for. It's just that the potential for muslim extremist interest or agenda for the extraordinary profits of Pips/Picpay conceivably does exist; and, as a security issue, I don't see any way around addressing it in some way. With what happened to me three weeks before closing of Pips, I cannot help but see this as an issue that urgently needs to be addressed in a restructured Pips, as well as Picpay's operations. Non-extremist muslims are the norm, and honorable and beautiful people such as Tini and Anusha shine as examples of the best of human kind. It's just the geographical area contains an extremist element, as is especially prevalent among the Indonesian Islands, and we just don't know of how to predict or assess the possible implications of that element with regards to Pips/Picpay operations in Malaysia. I do think Bryan had some bad apples, as it were, among the believing Jinn--again, as it were. I also think Bryan is a man capable of handling these issues and that he will succeed in doing so.

Best regards,

Thelema

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Nice post......I agree soaringeagle.


I do feel we are entitled to know what was behind the problem with WD's...even if it is very general just like you said.

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Originally Posted by soaringeagle

Pantherjon, I totally agree, which is why I did not say "Bryan" is to blame, perhaps I should have been more clear. But the company was not paying, and thus complaints and an investigation were inevitable. I have always suspected there was an inside job that was going on since at least fall of 2004, and think you outlined this well in your post. My point was that for those who keep blaming BoN, that is not where the blame lies. The situation had reached a point where freezing the funds became necessary for BoN to do what they need to do, but the problems started 8 to 10 months before BoN ever stepped in. I do believe one of Bryan's most serious mistakes was trusting the wrong person or persons, and that perhaps he has been a victim in all of this too.

I doubt we will ever be told what really happened. My guess is that all we will ever hear from BoN is whether or not they determined the company was legitimate or not, but I doubt we will be privy as to what else they found in their investigation. That will most likely have to come from Bryan, and I doubt he will tell us very much, for a variety of reasons. While I think it would be good public relations (for lack of a better way to put it) to give the loaning members some answers regarding what happened and why, I am not sure we are really entitled to anything more than very general answers. I would guess the majority would like to know the truth...I know I would. But, if our PicPay withdrawals are honored and things move forward and we can still earn based to some degree on where our accounts were back in August, then if we don't get to know anything more, I can sure live with that.

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