Thread: CONSOLIDATION OF OPERATIONS

Hi folks,

Let me give you some thoughts to be considered, as I can detect that similar poor language will be used here again by participants.

1. To get educated on financial matters, go to www.sovereignsociety.com to learn how the real financial world works. Specifically all the informations found therein focuse all types of offshore operations and should interest everybody. If you become a member you might have the chance to get expert knowledge on tax matters as well.

2. What happened few weeks ago I can only compare with my past and actual experience in the financial world as I have been operating in very similar businesses where this "P-System" generates most earnings to keep it alive. Any public exposure leads to cancellation of business or private pursuance and could end up loosing any bank accounts worldwide.

Please take note as follows:

a) The "P-System" is mostly regulated or licensed by central bank approval, hence it must strictly adhere to general business guidelines adopted by such authorities.

b) The "P-System" must be consolidated now as it experienced a tremendous growth in the past 2 years. This is normal to every business, specially if the "P-System" has been uniquely designed by its management. It may be that the management underestimated the need to consolidate earlier, as the business did move too fast in areas where much tougher management issues must be used.

c) To deal with financial aspects of the "P-System" we do not speak about hours or days, we speak about weeks and months to get final approval for setups who will stand for. (i.e. it took us 3 years to get only insurance approval for a new trade finance concept)

d) 95% of all members do not and will never understand the background of the "P-System" and therefore are very dangerous for the "P-System" to collapse if it will be discussed publicly. The "P-System" is not designed to be seen for the public, it is very sensitive to requlating authorities and financial institutions and finally only place to discuss the "P-System's" business is the yearly convention comparable on a more corporate level with the general meeting of a corporation. In this way each and every participation should be seen by its members or shareholders.

e) Members must finally recognize that the "P-System" is far away from being designed as a HYIP or FX programme. It's a long term strategy within a visionary structure established by its management. But it is clearly said that all actions being undertaken by members hinder the successful completion of this sensivite business in most cases and are main reason of its failure. Main reason of withdrawal problems have been caused by a public forum and by members themselves, because negative press let partner banks be warned as the system didn't demonstrate any further stability. What banks doesn't like is "Media Exposure", one main reason why the "P-System" management always claimed members to stop calling company's associates.

Consequences are known to everybody. It was the logical step the management had to undertake, because I assume

a) that main pressure came from financial institutions as they didn't want that the public should be aware of such opportunities. Here must be found reason of all the delays of cash and VAT withdrawals, etc., and

b) that the banking community itself put pressure on their regulating bodies, who are Central banks, to stop the "P-System" in the public.

Finally let me indicate as follows:

1) Don't start to establish Pools of funds for the 3% programme. According to any new ruling about money laundering worldwide, pooling of funds is prohibited and must be reported immediately by regulated entities.

2) As far as I'm aware of, programme manager of opportunities where the 3% programme should operate in do not tolerate pooled funds at all. Further pooling funds of members and generate earnings within the traditional "P-System" could be interpreted by regulators as money laundering.

3) If all members believe in the "P-System" and favourable for its longer existance, you must put in place strict guidelines and procedures where every participant must adhere to. This must also include any members violating the "P-System" publicly by reporting name and evidence of event to the management to ban them from any further membership.

THIS IS THE DUTY OF ALL MEMBERS AND THE MINIMUM SUPPORT THAT MUST BE GIVEN TO THE SYSTEM AND ITS MANAGEMENT.

Regards
raharni

very well said .... I hope everyone reads this & understands

Excellent post and one that needs to be read and re-read several times by all members.
The program will find ways around the present problems, we just have to pratice the "P" word. I know some will say they have heard all of the "P" word that they can take and only want action. At the present the only option we have is to wait and let management get things worked out for the best of the program and thereby for out best.

Not only is*TRUST* a key factor dealing with "P" system as Raharni puts it (very discrete desciption and deserves APPLAUSE...),

but another "solemn P" to show confidence by patience and knowledge at what one is into...

I have in many exchanges shared the view, that a great number of "lenders in "P-system", despite being veterans of others such as HYIP's...still lack skills to perceive the working mechanism of such as in the case of "P-System" hence, we see them ricocheting EVERYTHING they can **** out onto forums that reflect their lack-lustre wisdom over their involvement with "P-System" in particular.

Yes, I sincerely hope many grasp themselves together and with some fortitude, give credit and appreciation to BM wholeheartedly and with genuine conviction and NOT just attend at the Conventions and applaud, wave, seek a pic with Bryan and Sharon, talk greatly with praises about P-System so to show "YOU ARE IN IT with the rest and sounding positive" while coming back to the Forum and gradually moaning at the slightest glitch or hitch with payouts....! :roll: :shock:

A very good contribution from Raharni, thank you Sir!

YB. :)

Very good info!! however it does not apply to the withdrawals situation which is the main concern of members.

All delays were explained by BM because of lack of support by banking institution and the fact that they did not send VAT any funds. Vat platform was performing very well yet the funds stop going to VAT.(the reason given was that it was not fair to members who opted for WT and checks)

Of course there is alot of laws that have to be followed and regulations to put in place and it is a long process, however the only thing mention about risk on the PIPS website is the fact that we could lose money if there was some crash in the stock market or financial disaster. It does not mention anything about "we are trying to get in line with some regulations 2 years after the program has been lunched."

Vat is doing business with other companies and are paying on time. They are ready PICPAY is not.

I am sorry to sound so negative but I believe in freedom of speech and I cannot cheer or sponsor anymore people in PIPS in good conscience for the time being. I know that mr. Marsden is working like a mad man and I am thankful for that and at the same time I have this uneasy feeling inside. I am positive that mr. Bryan's integrity is top notch, I just wonder if PIPS financial situation is as strong as it should be. (please don't give me the that fact about PIPS trading on a 12:1 margin reason because it also means that you can LOSE money on a 12:1 margin)

thank you and sorry if I ruffled some feathers.[/i]

YEP!!
Some people just have NO idea!! :shock: :roll: :roll:

Originally Posted by jetpilot

Very good info!! however it does not apply to the withdrawals situation which is the main concern of members.

All delays were explained by BM because of lack of support by banking institution and the fact that they did not send VAT any funds. Vat platform was performing very well yet the funds stop going to VAT.(the reason given was that it was not fair to members who opted for WT and checks)

Of course there is alot of laws that have to be followed and regulations to put in place and it is a long process, however the only thing mention about risk on the PIPS website is the fact that we could lose money if there was some crash in the stock market or financial disaster. It does not mention anything about "we are trying to get in line with some regulations 2 years after the program has been lunched."

Vat is doing business with other companies and are paying on time. They are ready PICPAY is not.

I am sorry to sound so negative but I believe in freedom of speech and I cannot cheer or sponsor anymore people in PIPS in good conscience for the time being. I know that mr. Marsden is working like a mad man and I am thankful for that and at the same time I have this uneasy feeling inside. I am positive that mr. Bryan's integrity is top notch, I just wonder if PIPS financial situation is as strong as it should be. (please don't give me the that fact about PIPS trading on a 12:1 margin reason because it also means that you can LOSE money on a 12:1 margin)

thank you and sorry if I ruffled some feathers.[/i]

Hi jetpilot.

To move funds to VAT requires a bank account transaction also, so the excellent post above has everything to do with that platform too.

:)

To move funds to VAT requires a bank account transaction also, so the excellent post above has everything to do with that platform too

which we now have....

I agree. I am sure that he is of the highest integrity and is doing his best. But it is also obvious that something has gone wrong and he is working his butt off to ensure that the program continues.

You may recall that a couple of months ago he stated that we will all look back and see that this was the most difficult period in PIPS history and that we will have a good laugh (or words to that effect).

We wait patiently ...

Originally Posted by jetpilot

Very good info!! however it does not apply to the withdrawals situation which is the main concern of members.

All delays were explained by BM because of lack of support by banking institution and the fact that they did not send VAT any funds. Vat platform was performing very well yet the funds stop going to VAT.(the reason given was that it was not fair to members who opted for WT and checks)

Of course there is alot of laws that have to be followed and regulations to put in place and it is a long process, however the only thing mention about risk on the PIPS website is the fact that we could lose money if there was some crash in the stock market or financial disaster. It does not mention anything about "we are trying to get in line with some regulations 2 years after the program has been lunched."

Vat is doing business with other companies and are paying on time. They are ready PICPAY is not.

I am sorry to sound so negative but I believe in freedom of speech and I cannot cheer or sponsor anymore people in PIPS in good conscience for the time being. I know that mr. Marsden is working like a mad man and I am thankful for that and at the same time I have this uneasy feeling inside. I am positive that mr. Bryan's integrity is top notch, I just wonder if PIPS financial situation is as strong as it should be. (please don't give me the that fact about PIPS trading on a 12:1 margin reason because it also means that you can LOSE money on a 12:1 margin)

thank you and sorry if I ruffled some feathers.[/i]

Sorry people but I have to inferfere this time as I see people arguing due to lack of willingness to understand problems occured.

1) Don't speculate about investment techniques and in which areas the management would invest and what margin level they would use. You are wrong because you don't understand banking. Go months back and you'll see that only 0.2% of returns to "P" lenders originate from volatile markets.

2) Take the time to analyze how all operations have been structured and start to look at all different incomestreams and all established profitcenters. That's the only one what you'll see and understand.

3) Let me tell you that banks only take you for serious if you can play with USD 100 m (+). "P" ranks at this level to join secured riskless operations the public will never know about it.

4) How many times during past months you could find warnings from the management to stop calling VAT, UN foundation and banks by members ? More than 6 months ago.

5) Go back and look at the records when first HSBC pulled out ? when afterwards other banks pulled out ? Why, because of public exposure what could damage their reputation.

MOST OF THE PROBLEMS THE MANAGEMENT TODAY IS FACED WITH ARE DUE TO MEMBER'S UNQUALIFIED APPROACHES TO INSTITUTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH "P", DUE TO GREEDNESS OF MEMBERS PROMOTING THE SYSTEM EVERYWHERE TO COLLECT MORE AND DUE TO THEIR NAIVETY BEING INVOLVED IN AREAS THEY NEVER SHOULD BECOME INVOLVED AS THEY DON'T HAVE THE REQUISITE KNOWLEDGE AND CHARACTER TO BENFIT FROM SUCH EFFORTS.

All damages caused to the system by members incorporates a cycle of at least 8 months. Experiencing all this I would have closed the Forums long time ago, because attacks by members never stopped.

WHAT DO YOU THINK HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO REESTABLISH FAITH AND CREDIBILITY WITH FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS ? FEW WEEKS AGO I GUESSED THAT THE TIMEFRAME RELEASED BY THE MANAGEMENT WOULDN'T BE SUFFICIENT TO REPAIR ALL DAMAGES CAUSED. BELIEVE OR NOT "P" FULLY DEPENDS ON THE BANKS GOODWILL TO RELEASE FUNDS TO ITS MEMBERS. THEREFORE IT WILL TAKE ANOTHER WHILE TO GET THE BUSINESS MOVING. IF THE VISIONARY "P" BUSINESS WOULDN'T BE LINKED TO A RELIABLE SOURCE OF HUMANITARIAN AID, IT WOULD HAVE COLLAPSED MONTHS AGO DUE TO THE TREMENDOUS EXPOSURE OF ALL SERVICING FIRMS BEING INVOLVED WITH.

START THINKING BEFORE YOU ACT OR SPECULATE. BEFORE YOU QUESTION SOMEBODY ELSE ABILITY, LOOK AT YOUR OWN ABILITY TO INTERACT WITHIN AN ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY.

I experienced in the past that normal, reputable and honoured human being did loose very fast their countenance of fairplay related to money business. Fair enough that the same starts to get rolling here again.

raharni
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