I went to Nilai

[jerrywander]

I have hopes that PIPS will come back online soon.
I have hopes that the withdrawal situation will be resolved soon.
I have hopes that this program that I joined exactly one year and three weeks ago will be a source of income for years to come.

I have hopes but my dreams have been a bit shattered.

Last Friday (2 September 2005) my wife and I went to Nilai.

I had been waiting a year to show her the PIPS offices and Bistro, etc. to show her that this was a legitimate, sustaining enterprise. Needless to say, she had had doubts.

Last week, we finally had the opportunity to go to Kuala Lumpur, so we went. My plan was to visit PIPS, get to know some of the people who work there (though I realized that many of the staff might be on furlough), take pictures, and come back to this forum with an amazing report.

I took pictures. I haven't put them up for viewing as they don't really add any new knowledge. I have pictures of the Indian Restaurant and the Bistro and the sign outside that says 'Open 24 Hours' and no customers to be seen. No concern there - Friday noon in Malaysia, who would I expect to see at a Bistro in Nilai?

When we walked up to the Bistro, a waiter asked us what we wanted. I said I would like to visit the PicPay office. The waiter went to talk to his captain and came back and said the office is closed and nobody is there. I asked him if anyone would be coming that day, and he said "maybe." I asked him what he would suggest that we do -- I had come this far after so long, and I was willing to wait to see someone. His suggestion was to go back to Kuala Lumpur.

In other words, we shouldn't labor under any misconceptions that we were welcome there.

[Remember when we'd see posts from people who visited PIPS offices and had great things to say about the staff and Bryan. Sorry this isn't one of them. I had been in touch with PicPay regarding coming to Nilai. As recently as 2 months ago, on the phone, they said I was welcome to visit their office anytime without appointment. They even sent me an email with directions how to get there.]

I asked the waiter if I could at least leave a message for Bryan or anyone who might work at PIPS / PICPAY. At first he said "No." Then I said, in controlled anger, "I paid for this building that you work in. We came all the way here from another country and I can't even leave a message for someone?"

The waiter got his captain. She told us pretty much the same thing. She didn't know when anyone would be in the office. She said that she, too, waits for Bryan everyday, that he spends all his time at Bank Negara. She said that I could leave a message with her and that she would give it to Bryan.

As we sat at a Bistro table and I wrote a message, the captain went to the Indian restaurant and sat talking with someone who appeared to be in business. My wife saw her pointing at us. She also noticed others around, sort of staring at us. She was uneasy, and wanted to get away from there as soon as possible.

I should also note that while we were there - about 45 minutes total - nobody offered us a drink of water or any other drink for that matter. They didn't even offer us a menu. They just stared at us like we were spies or something. (No matter; around the corner there's a McDonalds where we got chocolate milkshakes.)

In my note to Bryan I included my contact information and mentioned that I had joined PIPS a year ago and said that I had kept my end of the contract that I entered at the time, even while Bryan has yet to fulfill his end. I felt that he owed me and all other PIPS members at least an email every week to assure us -- even if he can't give us any specific information.

To keep a short story short, I gave the message to the captain. She said that she would give it to Bryan. We left. And, no, I haven't heard anything from Bryan.

Even before leaving Nilai, my wife tried to lay reality on me. She said, "PIPS is over !" (The exclamation is hers.) I hinted that those words could be grounds for divorce, but I had to agree that it was time to move on.

I refuse to believe that PIPS is over. It is ironic, however, looking at the PIPS signs above the Bistro and restaurant and remembering that the People In Profit System is underscored by only a few people who have profited and a great many people who are looking at losses.

I was in an emotional dilemma. I have never posted anything negative. In the Ryze forum - which is where I met QT and got into PIPS - and later in the PIPS-USA forum and then this forum, my posts have always been hopeful. On the train ride back to Kuala Lumpur, I just wanted to say in no uncertain terms, "[Expletive] Bryan!!" But then I remembered that I never say "[Expletive]" anybody, so I kept my thoughts to myself.

I kept my thoughts to myself until now -- you can have them for free to do with as you please. Quite frankly, I sometimes feel that Bryan doesn't care about us, what we think, or what happens to us. Maybe all this talk of charity and helping people is just a cover. I saw no evidence of charity (except maybe for the fact that the waiter - whose eyes and teeth were jaundiced - had a job).

I see no evidence of charity starting at home - no taking care of the little people whose hard earned savings helped to build PIPS and who continue to support Bryan in spite of the fact that they have gained nothing for almost a year, and Bryan doesn't even talk with them.

I would support a movement of PIPSTERS saying in no uncertain terms
"F - - ORGET BRYAN!!" We've got better things to do than to build him a Bistro and feed his ego, or whatever it is that he gets out of this.

I have found other ways to make passive income. It's coming in pretty fast right now. I would share this information with you so that you also could make money. But to do so, I would have to give you my affiliate links, and then you could rightfully accuse me of trying to gain from you. In the spirit of the way PIPS was supposed to be, I do not want to gain from you, but I really would like for you to know about ways to make money. So this is my suggestion:

There is a universal law that says you attract what you focus on. About a month ago, I really focused on making money and my good intentions of what to do with it. Suddenly, I found these programs that are doing it for me. Once I was able to emotionally let go of PIPS and my reliance on PIPS to come back and save me from ruin, it seemed like these other programs just blossomed.

No I'm not going to tell you what they are, even if you PM me. ( Also, I am not interested in any offers you may have -- not at this time.) All I am saying is that if you focus on what exactly you want and why you want it, and you let go of all reliances on any specific means, you should find what you want -- or better. [Hint; Avoid any focus on PIPS - that's relying on an uncertain but specific means. We can all hope that PIPS will return and work, but we should be open to other ways to reach our goals.]

There, that's what I wanted to say: I couldn't allow a negative experience not to have a positive outcome. So this message ends positively. There is a lot of money out there and a lot of good things to be done with it. It is within our reach and we don't need any one particular program to have it. Be good to yourself and your family and your country and this world and put PIPS on the back-burner and go forward and make yourself the wealthy person you are meant to be.

The End -- until a new beginning.

Jerry

P.S. Regarding the above-mentioned universal laws. There is free software with mental exercises that helps you train your mind and yourself to get what you want. It is free and I intend for you who are interested to have it for free.
http://www.jmskye.com/attractorsoft/r.php?jerrywander

[EdgeCrusher]

Sorry about your trip Jerry. I hope in the end everything works out for the rest of us.

[nonegiven]

I'm at a loss to know what to say. Did you not know going in that Picpay in all likelihood no longer exists? And Bryan (as the staff stated) is in meetings all the time? So you wanted - what? Him to walk out of the meetings on the very spur of the moment, and come meet you? I suppose the thought that he might be under a gag order at this time never crossed your mind?

I'm making excellent money at what I'm doing. That does not affect my perception of Bryan and what he's doing and what he's going through and what the outcome will be. I don't honestly care that you had a crap visit and nobody asked how high when you said jump. What I do NOT appreciate is you trying to make a big hairy deal out of it. "He didn't, and therefore".

I think you've strapped a huge, ugly, negative conclusion on this situation, apropos of nothing.

[boatman]

I'm at a loss to know what to say. Did you not know going in that Picpay in all likelihood no longer exists? And Bryan (as the staff stated) is in meetings all the time? So you wanted - what? Him to walk out of the meetings on the very spur of the moment, and come meet you? I suppose the thought that he might be under a gag order at this time never crossed your mind?

I'm making excellent money at what I'm doing. That does not affect my perception of Bryan and what he's doing and what he's going through and what the outcome will be. I don't honestly care that you had a crap visit and nobody asked how high when you said jump. What I do NOT appreciate is you trying to make a big hairy deal out of it. "He didn't, and therefore".

I think you've strapped a huge, ugly, negative conclusion on this situation, apropos of nothing.

You have to be kidding..

[Caroline]

I'm not surprised that you weren't able to see Bryan.

Perhaps the people at the bistro were suspicious of your motives. With everything that has happened, that wouldn't be hard to understand.

Was it not possible to postpone your trip until a better time???


Caroline

[soaringeagle]

Jerry, I appreciate your sharing your experience with us. However, I agree with Nonegiven. I find it utterly amazing (not to mention rather arrogant) that you expect to hear from Bryan right now. Can you even begin to imagine the stress and pressure he is under, not to mention a possible gag order?? Also, did it occur to you how many people are trying to talk to, get a message to, and hear back from Bryan??? Geez, be a bit realistic here! Perhaps, instead of putting all your time into positive thinking tapes / attracting wealth tapes or whatever, perhaps you should listen to something that teaches you about being compassionate and understanding, something that will teach you about empathy...you know, that often forgotten concept where you try to put yourself in the other person's shoes and consider things from his perspective rather than pass judgement?? Just a thought. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but you are jumping to ridiculous conclusions that are completely unfounded considering the current circumstances.

[jerrywander]

Sorry about your trip Jerry. I hope in the end everything works out for the rest of us.

Hey, EdgeCrusher, thanks for the kind words. But don't feel sorry. We had a good trip to Kuala Lumpur. The trip to Nilai was a learning experience. And as I mentioned, everything is working out anyway -- with or without PIPS. When PIPS comes back (I don't say "If") things will work out better. In the meantime, which may be a long time, please be open to other possibilities for income. They are here. And they are paying. And they are actually helping people -- not just talking about it.

So don't wait for "in the end." Take care of things now.

Very Sincerely,
Jerry

[fluffy]

The bistro staff might also be stressed out working perhaps, for free? :P

[feelgood2]

well, personally to me it sounds like your pushing other programs and this whole thread didn't have Jack to do with PIPS! Why would anyone in thier right mind visit PIPS office now, LOL!

How's your PM box doing Jerry?

BTW, the best way to push other opp's for referral commissions is just post them in the appropriate thread at the bottom of this forum,

[bmw1]

I'm not surprised that you weren't able to see Bryan.

Perhaps the people at the bistro were suspicious of your motives. With everything that has happened, that wouldn't be hard to understand.

Was it not possible to postpone your trip until a better time???


Caroline

Goodness Sakes:
The folks at the Bistro acted like suspicious animals! Pips has not responded to the members in good faith for 10 months now. When is a good time, pray tell! :oops: :idea: