Thread: what about this?

Originally Posted by Owen Platt

I spent much time and effort in an attempt to substantiate Mr. Marsden's credentials as presented by himself. All to no avail.
None of the companies he named, could trace any record of him. They were, for the most part, either huge organisations or ones that were no longer extant. None had never heard of Martel Management.
The Royal Air Force does not divulge details of its members other than those listed in the Army, Navy and Air Force lists where his name does not appear.
The Criminal Record Office have no record of any misdemeanours but admit that any such record would have been expunged except for a repeat offender. Martel Management was never registered in the UK neither were any tax returns filed during its alleged 25 years in business.
He appears to have been almost a non-person in the UK.
Most qualified electrical engineers are members of the Institute of Electrical Engineers (IEE) but he was never a member.
None of this is, of course, indicative of any wrongdoing but it is strange that his only public records have been since he arrived in Malaysia and then in conjunction with various internet schemes, mainly MLM ones.

Good point,

I could not find anything but a few MLM deals in his past, and it struck me as strange at the time, but I was looking more for illegal activities, and as you say, nothing showed up. It was if he was a non person, which makes you wonder, is Barry James his real name, and Bryan Marsden the phony name?

One thing I have learned over the years researching deals like this, once a crook, always a crook, and I don't think he woke up one day and decided to rip off thousands of people, this had to go back over many years, and with no history at all, sure makes you wonder who this guy really is.

Good luck to all, Mike

He really is Bryan John Marsden and I have a copy of his passport (which I don't believe to be forged, although when I was in KL many years ago, fake passports were readily available. But I did find the lack of early background puzzling. Of course it was not helped by the skimpy details he provided in his CV.

Originally Posted by Toefl

Sorry for more speculations from me and is also a bit off topic.

The way I see it is that BM thought his relationships with the royal family and some government officials there could really save him from getting trouble from the authority, he might think that if he kept on finding solutions he would save the day eventually, like he used to say more than once "They can't touch us", at the worst case, all he needed was to restructure Pips and start all over again, that why he kept on accepting new members and as if there wasn't enough troubles, he opened the merchant system in Picpay while members hadn't gotten paid for months, many membes, me included, thought he must have had a trump up on his sleeve, or he wouldn't be acting so confident at that kind of situation, so we went on supporting him and refused to believe that all might be just nothing but wishful thinkings.

of course, I don't rule out Mike's theory that BM may be a pathological liar, in his mind, the whole thing was very real, but in this theory, Sharon must be very stupid, or she might also be a pathological liar herself or worse a real liar....we believed in Pips because we didn't know the facts (we still don't know,by the way), it was all just wishful thinkings and greed, but Sharon must know it all along....unless, she is one of those kind of women who follow his husband like glue and never dare to ask any questions.

anyway, when I first saw those pictures of BM and Sharon in handcuffs, I chatted with a friend of mine, I jokingly said, the hairdo of BM reminded me of that crazy doctor in "Back in the future"...and I wondered if he would say "If it aint from me, It ain't so!" in the court...

in fact, that day I felt very sad, after all, he was once my hero, I still remember BM once joked around that he posted his itinerary of his tour on the forum, so if the authority wanted to get him, they would know where to pick him up....

ironically, now that his joke became a reality...whether he really deserved it, only time can tell, but it's already a big lesson to learn from.

do I hate BM? no, but I have a feelings many members do hate those cheerleaders of pips, judging from the fact I was once a cheerleader myself, although I wasn't a worst kind and prefered to call myself a supporter, I really feel I need to say sorry for my behaviour, what other people do is none of my business, after all, it's a way of life in this hyip world, but for myself, I feel the need to apologise to all people who were just trying to warn us.

also I wanted to let the admin know I am changing username, as I really hate mine, at the time I was creating it I really didn't expect I would stay here for so looooong...so I just picked up a name from my book shelf...

judging it took me more than 3 hours to type this short message, I really need a Toefl test!...LOL

right now, I am looking forward to what real investment rolclub will come up with, also waiting to see if the dinar will really reval like the way people say, but the most important thing is don't gamble your life away on all of these things, they can give you hopes, but the only thing you can rely on it's your own actions, keep working, keep studying, find out what you are good at and develope it!

I am cheerleader no more!

Regards,

from a lost and found

Excellent overview,

Yes, we are all guilty at one time or another of being a supporter, after all, no one wants to be ripped off, but over the years I have flip flopped more than a few times, now I know why.

Sadly, we can all relate to your post, and yes, it is sad if he is a pathological liar, which it appears to be the case as it would explain why he hadn't grabbed a bag of our money and ran sooner. Yes, this was one of the issues I kept going back to since it does not fit the standard scammers profile.

The strange thing was he offered to open books to anyone who visited offices in person, yet he didn't allow it when we arrived. He disappeared out the back door with an excuse of important meeting. I wonder how many others were brushed off after showing hime such support?

The bottom line is as you stated, it will be far worse if he was found out to be just a common scammer rather than ill, and this would be even more difficult to understand. We all want to trust people, and then support them when they are down, but I draw the line at purposely scamming people. So many were hurt financially, as well as personally ruined by introducing others to this fiasco, and this hurts more than the money for many.

Yes, we all need to agree to disagree and move on. No sense in burning bridges over this issue based on the fact everyone is different. Some can believe to the end, and some will never accept the truth as real, and no matter what, we have to respect these opinions and let it go. No one wants to be wrong, and sadly, we all were wrong about Bryan, or whatever his name really is, it hurt thousands of people, so it will take some longer than others to get over it entirely, so let us understand this and simply wait for the end.

Good luck to all, Mike

I will be closing this thread and a string of others as well that are rather repetitive and only leads to confusion and disarray for returning members wanting to trace or track related posts concerning the current development some call it a stupid saga, a farce and even a silly & endless waste of time, well whatever anyone feels opinionated by their individual viewpoints or argument, the Trial on the Marsdens is NOT over and far from closure hence, a main sticky thread will cater to that attention

at this link>>>:

http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-...gnment-17.html

Any further new threads open just for the sake of an individual's ignorance to the progress surrounding the Marsdens or the Trial or anything else on PIPS or PicPay and all the parties involved will find their newly created thread deleted. Issues related to the past and further back in the past, will be posted in the above thread, click that and stay there with your submitted posts please. This is a start of some pruning and spring cleaning on the PIPS related Forum.