Aid to the PIPsters - Can God help?

[thebat$]

Desperation, need, complaining nor crying move God to action. Only Faith moves God. Guess what? Faith also moves the enemy to action on your behalf. That's right. If you believe it, you will get it. How do you know what you believe? By what is coming out of your mouth.

So, where's your faith? What are you believing for? What are you saying?
You may say, "I believed for a long time and it never happened!" It is by faith and PATIENCE that you will see it come to pass. Never give up, never quit.

I'm still believing for wonderful things to come about with this PIPS saga. What those wonderful things will be, I do not know. Don't care as long as they are wonderful!

Let's step out of the box; let's take God out of the box and believe for something GREAT! He has an unlimited amount of ways to get us what we need and want!

Monica

The Lord our God knows of our need and hears our despair. The sick, the children and the poor all crying out to him. They are the ones on the losing end. How many have needlessly suffer because of PIPS? People who turn to PIPS for a way out finding only a dead end. Isn't it true that God shall provide and not PIPS or BM or any other person, have we been led astray? Some of us are fortunate to have the means to carry on, a lot of us don't. I am sorry to have invested, I would like nothing more than my capital back.

Maybe PIPS is a test of faith, maybe it is a test of patience or a lesson to check our greed of the material things of the world. To each person his own conscience will judge him. As you say, god works in ways we cannot understand. I do not dispute that the almighty can bring PIPS back. But faith and patience is useless if it is the will of God that PIPS doesn't comeback. I am not saying I speak for god but if it is meant to be its meant to be. You see, you can have faith and have patience but if its not coming back, its not coming back. That's that.

You are right, he has unlimited ways to get us what we want and need. I believe if that is so, it doesn't necessary have to be PIPS. So believe what you want. Until BNM gives the okay signal or otherwise, we will continue to wait in patience. But please don't ask us to have faith and be patient for PIPS to comeback or Bryan Bryan James Marsden. What good has he done? But to continue to deceive us in Halotto first and now 10x5 Cycler.

theBat$

*if you are of other faith please interpret in our own beliefs. Thanks.

[peterben]

Can God help? You ask. Well. of course He can. The question is: what was the program used for, by whom, and what was the primary reason for it? Was it for greed, for helping others, for selfish reasons, or was it a program by administrators for deception?

Personally, I do not think the latter was part of it, but it necessarily has to be added in the list of possibilities, considering man's propensity to deceive. So, what is the answer?

If the program was one that was mainly for the purpose of helping others, then I believe God would want it to come back, and allowing it to take this long, may use the time to teach us a lesson of patience and humility. If it was for greed to succeed, then the lesson may be: don't get into anything to do with risk. Earn a living the honest way, and if harder, surer.

This is for those who constantly attack personalities and/or send out rumors or speculative commentaries. The question here and now is: what can be done since the communication brake-down that occured last week, or at least that is when we found out? It should not be left to end as it did.

peterben

[YogiBrood]

Whatever drove the outcome albeit PI inc or with a neighboring attempt just at the tip of the Peninsula...GINS it is for those wondering.... the path taken is a man-made event.

There are man-made laws to handle it in a man-made way and despite all good intentions shadowing the cause... when it is ready, it will define the decision that accompanies the will of the truth and thereby, dispelling the motives that actually shelters behind it.

We have the Net fortunately, to keep track and fortunately again, something even the Malaysian Authorities are incapable of preventing nor witholding the due process alligned to it...but man-made as it is, attempts will continue...we have seen that as of recently, how easily and how (ir)rationally one can respond and completely tried to brush away the liability and responsibility attached by scoffing the obligation, members expect from BM... "not to bring PIPS back???"...huh???






YB. - cheers to the RC CARE Group....

[readytogo]

Good morning thebat$!

My intention is not to make light of anyone's suffering whatever the cause. If that is how I came across, please forgive me.

I have seen the effects of the BoN investigation first hand. (I am in no way blaming BoN) It has caused great distress to one of my family members, but that is because she put all of her hopes into PIPS. She invested more than she could afford to loose. And now she is having to develop her faith to the point of believing God for her every need. This does take time and patience and she is getting there. I have seen some bitterness trying to creep in, but that too shall soon pass.

So, I shared this to let you know that I too am affected and sympathetic. Everyone involved has been affected. How we have chosen to let it affect us is the dividing point. Which is very obvious on this forum.

Which was the whole point of my post. It is up to us how we are affected. It is our responsibility. We don't have to be victims. THIS IS GOOD NEWS!

I would like to address part of your post if I may.

But please don't ask us to have faith and be patient for PIPS to comeback or Bryan Bryan James Marsden. What good has he done? But to continue to deceive us in Halotto first and now 10x5 Cycler.

I was not asking anyone to be patient for PIPS/Bryan to make things right. I was stating that when we put our faith in God, that all things are possible to him who believes. God makes the impossible, very possible. What a person decides to believe is up to them. I just want to urge everyone to broaden their horizons and believe for something great! And not to limit their scope to PIPS.

I never want to stir anyone to argument. But civil, sincere, and considerate discussion is welcome. Thank you thebat$ for demonstrating the above.

Blessings,
Monica

[thebat$]

Everyone involved has been affected. How we have chosen to let it affect us is the dividing point. Which is very obvious on this forum.

Which was the whole point of my post. It is up to us how we are affected. It is our responsibility. We don't have to be victims. THIS IS GOOD NEWS!

I would like to address part of your post if I may.

But please don't ask us to have faith and be patient for PIPS to comeback or Bryan Bryan James Marsden. What good has he done? But to continue to deceive us in Halotto first and now 10x5 Cycler.

I was not asking anyone to be patient for PIPS/Bryan to make things right. I was stating that when we put our faith in God, that all things are possible to him who believes. God makes the impossible, very possible. What a person decides to believe is up to them. I just want to urge everyone to broaden their horizons and believe for something great! And not to limit their scope to PIPS.

I never want to stir anyone to argument. But civil, sincere, and considerate discussion is welcome. Thank you thebat$ for demonstrating the above.

Blessings,
Monica

We are all brought together because of PIPS and to some degree BM's lack of communication. Peterben put it quite simple, let the truth prevail. Although my post may seem like I am blaming BM, which I am and as with most of us but dare not and do not admit it. But the fact remains it is we (investors) that gladly walk into the pit ourselves. Now we must have the faith and patience to see God's will through to the end. Which for some may mean the end of BNM investigation on PIPS one way or the other and for me the way out of this pit of debts I am swirling in.

I once said I believe in the ideals behind PIPS, I still do. It would have done a world of good. PIPS is suppose to :

* To enable people on low income to achieve financial security.
* Provide humanitarian aid to underprivileged communities.

We have the Net fortunately, to keep track and fortunately again, something even the Malaysian Authorities are incapable of preventing nor witholding the due process alligned to it...but man-made as it is, attempts will continue...we have seen that as of recently, how easily and how (ir)rationally one can respond and completely tried to brush away the liability and responsibility attached by scoffing the obligation, members expect from BM... "not to bring PIPS back???"...huh???

BM is still CEO of PIPS, if he doesn't want to bring it back then we have been made to believe lies. The blame falls on you, Bryan Barry James Marsden. For it is you which have we placed our trust in (invested in PIPS). What was promised,

In 2005 we are planning to start development projects in the third world to provide employment opportunities and to improve living standards for those communities. There is a lot to look forward to in the future.

What we have? A year of sorrows, as some members passed away. A year of grief, a year of anxiety and non commnunication by the great one. Now we discover a web of lies and deceit. A good Pipsmas 2006? Time will tell. Let justice be served and truth prevail. Until then, we wait and bide time.


theBat$

[readytogo]

Hi thebat$,

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Monica

[thebat$]

Hi Monica,

Thanks for the links.

theBat$

[jog]

It troubles me to see God brought into this blame debate.

God gave us manna. Gave us clear guidelines. Gave us the Prophets. Gave us the freedom to choose. God gave us Life.

It is the enemy who came to rob, kill and destroy.

Have we obeyed the guidelines?
Have we been thankful for the gifts?
Have we listened to the Prophets?
Have we trusted and believed God first?

Do you believe that YOU are the source of your supply? Or BM? Or the government? Or the big corporation in the sky? Or just anything or person other than God? If you do, then you missed the truth and blessings and promises God made. To ALL of us who OBEY!

[thebat$]

It troubles me to see God brought into this blame debate.

Do you believe that YOU are the source of your supply? Or BM? Or the government? Or the big corporation in the sky? Or just anything or person other than God? If you do, then you missed the truth and blessings and promises God made. To ALL of us who OBEY!

I do not blame God. If you read my post, I do believe that God will provide for us what we need.

Isn't it true that God shall provide and not PIPS or BM or any other person, have we been led astray? Some of us are fortunate to have the means to carry on, a lot of us don't. I am sorry to have invested, I would like nothing more than my capital back.

Maybe PIPS is a test of faith, maybe it is a test of patience or a lesson to check our greed of the material things of the world. To each person his own conscience will judge him.

I would never use God's name in disrespect.

theBat$

[jog]

This is a public forum. It is not all about me. Or all about you. I speak in the collective sense. "You" and "I" are part of we. All of us. No need to be so defensive. If the "shoe fits" OK, if not, OK. Many folks here have never looked at their situation through the eyes of such knowledge. Many folks don't know that the spiritual formula trumps the physical world formula. Many folks don't even know that there IS a spiritual formula. Just planting seeds here. For the good of all - not just for you or me.