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WORLDLawDirect - Solidinvestment.com investment scam
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WORLDLawDirect - Solidinvestment.com investment scam
WARNING:"jungleventures.com" is Scam. "jungleventures.com" has nothing to do with SI.
The Lawyers are "Misleading" SI investors. There was a SI copycat website run by Russian scammers. Do not fall in a trap by believing "WORLDLawDirect - Solidinvestment.com investment scam" story.
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However in the program's defense I have requested several
withdrawals so far and have been paid promptly every time, I have
changed settings on my site frequently to test the system - always
with immediate positive results, they email me with account changes
every time; so far I have nothing bad to say about how the website
operates or their performance. One person emailed me stating Jungle
Ventures was a scam, but further investigation revealed a Russian
website copied all their stuff and had a website named
jungleventures.com and scammed people using their name and their
information. Jungle Ventures is their IBC name, not their website.
Solid Investment website claims existence since 1998, but have NOT
been on the net since 1998, even though the domain name was registered
in 1998. Dec 2004 is when they came to the net. A rather long history
that was presented to me as due diligence requested, stated that they
operated as a small group of individuals privately with word of mouth
and private clients since 1998. Sam Colins is the founder and active
chief executive officer and CEO of Solid Investment Group. It's Sam -
the CEO, a support Service Representative, Rafael Sosa whom I have
been communicating with, Pablo Padroza and a group of technical admin
people who are taking care of the server that constitute Solid
Investment; plus the bank Sam is part owner of which is largely
responsible for the investment activity.
Sam says he has been in this business for over 20 years with a degree
in finance, and he initially worked in an investment bank. Presently,
he has shares in an investment bank that is engaged in trading on a
global scale. He founded Solid Investment in 1998 together with a
group of associates and at first only provided investment services to
a small group of investors whom they all knew in person. They have not
shown me any documents showing this 1998 to 2004 Solid Investment
affiliation.
A different version of this might go like this. While it's true that
the company name of "Jungle Ventures Ltd." (the name of their parent
company) was registered in Belize several years ago, what you don't
see unless you do some additional digging is that this company name
was a previously set up "shelf company" that the new owner purchased
as part of an offshore, pre-made package deal. How this works is that
people set up offshore corporations all the time, but when it comes
time to renew them one, two, three years down the road, they wind up
letting them go. Instead of dissolving these corporations, the company
that originally set them up for the client takes over the corporation
by paying the renewal fee to keep it active, then sells it to other
clients for a hefty profit that want to purchase a ready made offshore
entity that already has a history behind it instead of appearing as a
newly formed organization, giving them the illusion of being an
established entity instead of a new start up company. Jungle Ventures
Ltd. may be such a shelf company that was purchased by this new owner
in December of 2004. So technically, the website and Belize
corporation are legit and both have been around for several years now,
that much is true. However, neither may have been owned by the current
owner until December 2004 which makes the statements about the history
of Solid Investment.com going back to 1998 dubious. This is the only
aspect of Solid Investment that I haven't been able to prove one way
or the other.In year 2004 they made the offer available to the general public. Any
person could join them. The only requirement was a non-disclosure
agreement and they did not require any personal information from
their customers. That has since changed, they now want your information.
Most of the communication between investors and them is handled via
Rafael Sosa, head of the customer service department. You can contact
him at any time 24/7 via email for us medianos and even by phone if
you are a big spender (that's what I got out of it). He has been with
Solid Investment for 5 years and joined as an investor at first. They
do not strive towards attracting the largest possible number of new
investors. The investors who are with them now, refer their friends,
relatives and associates. That is how they increase clientele. They
are always glad to serve people of all ages and walks of life and will
treat every investor individually. As of today they have over 38,000
investors and over 42 million invested. They came to the net to get
investors because,
a. it is becoming more commonplace to do that and
b. the types of investments that are available to them now which
generate extraordinary returns require larger amounts of money. If
they truly started back in 1998, this progression makes sense,
especially since Sam Colins is part owner of the actual bank itself
that is involved with these large trading contracts. They act as an
intermediary between us and the opportunities that require large
amounts of money to enter. Their main investment sectors are PPP, bank
debentures and MTNs. These are the activities that generate the
largest returns.. They also diversify their assets by investing in
real estate and rapidlly growing young companies. All trading
operations are carried out through the bank Sam is one of the owners
of. Highly qualified traders perform the daily operations. Sam has
over 20 years trading experience and every trader involved has at
least ten years of experience they state.
As you can see, this is only part of the DD, that we have been passed.
I did cut and paste a portion of it for the sole purpose of the neg
asses who still infiltrate our forums trying to convince us otherwise.
much grattitude .......... 1
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pinetree
Excellent post pinetree.
Thank you.
So, is it possible that I (or all of us) joined the wrong SI? This SI copycat website run by Russian scammers? This was rumered at one point.
mmm, so if the one that ran off with the money isn't the real people behind the scam, how come Sam and Sosa were at one time responding to enquiries at the SCAM version? The only way this makes sense is if SAm Collins and Rafeal Sosa were the russian scammers.
Regardless, whoever took the money has the money, apparently the lawyers have found at least some of it and are intent on getting it back.
Criminal fraud warning regarding the firm "Solid Investment" (SI) and its site solidinvestment.com
September 9, 2006: A German court on Thursday September 14 will authorize or decline the release of Solid Investment account-related information from five banks in Germany, Ukraine, Russia, Mexico and Estonia. We expect positive results. SolidInvestment site operators (including the supposed Sam Collins) remain in hiding and have refused to answer any court documents or press/attorney inquiries. Default court judgments are likely.
well Now thats better at least someone has finally ackowledged that SI was Indeed a scam ( like we did't all know ) but the question of where the money is still sucks for answers.
Do You Know That US SEC Is Pressuring SI to Register with SEC? If SI is a Scammer, the US SEC will not allow SI to register with them. Of course, SI is resisting to do so in order to protect SI VIPS. SI IS DEFINITELY NOT A SCAM.
Do not mix up SI with a Russian copy cat.
pinetree
bob1940 if you knew SI was a scam why did you promote the crap out of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by bob1940
I rarley post and I mostly read what people have to say, I have never posted anything negitive about any program or anyone one's comments. What we invest in this world of HYIP's is everyone's own choice, they take the good and bad of any of these investments. I personally don't like Hypocrites and if pinetree has any comments, suggestions or input of any type I will read them and interpret it the best way possible. I see you advertise alot of programs but when they go defunct you become outraged and feel you have to criticize them. Take the lumps like the rest of the investment arena and leave it at that. If you knew SI was a scam why come back to the SI forum and post negativity? If it's a done deal and you know it, let it go! We all want to know where the money is and most of all if we'll ever see it, only time will tell. Time will tell, so let's just sit back and see, if not kay sur ah sur ah
Thanks for all your posts pinetree, keep the faith!
Best to all!
tim410
The SEC is not "pressuring" anyone to register, they don't do that. If you're not registered and selling securities in a US jurisdiction, they sue you for penalties and make you stop (they cannot put you in jail, the Dept of Justice would have to do that). I'm not mixing up SI with anyone, but you seem to be. The people you are defending here were very active in this, whether they are russians, belizians or martians, they were the ones people sent the money to, they encouraged people to send money and they're hiding now. You are either serisously delusional, in on the scam, or a pathilogical liar, SI is gone and was never a legitimate investment, it was a scam, intended from day one to steal money.
Member 99,
I'm resigned to the fact that many people just want the sugar-coated rumors and speculation, be it with Pips, SI, or any of the other investment debacles. They will say things like, "Where are YOUR facts, you are just speculating, being negative, a naysayer, a bad person, a dream-stealer, an athiest," on and on. Never mind the program isn't paying, has had no communication with investors, shows no sign of coming back, etc. It is easier to dismiss the lawsuits, court hearings, the common-sense signs and warnings of many kinds and tell themselves that everything is coming along, any day now, people are being paid (just the big, important "VIPs") and a select few insiders are funnelling all this great info to another hierarchy of select few. Oh, and if you say aloud that "The Emperor Has No Clothes" your account will most likely be deleted, LOL! :nunu:
Tim410. You are aboslutely correct TIM. I did promote the crap out of it . Unknowingly right up to the point where SI SOSA, and Sam Colins Decided to Pocket the Cash, and Beat feet. after Promises of 5 more Years---10 more years,----wait a week. ----then Wait till July first week You will all have your money. , Tim I don't know what calander you are using. -----Mine says September 11----- When Numerous attempts were made to try, and obtain Information concerning MY account, and the 125 Members in my down line's accounts -----There was never an answer! I suppose I am suppose to stay faithfull to some Group that does not communicate or keep its members up to date on the happenings. The only thing i ever hear on this SI forum, Which I Use to respect, comes from Mr. Pinetree----Who Is Pinetree? he came on the scene right around the time SI became silent. For all I know HE could be the one trying to sell the crap about russian scam, and he could be Sam Colins Who knows?
Yes i am asking for my MONEY back from SI . the money that i was investing ---the same as everyone else---Money I had compounding for more than 7 months . Yes I promoted, and got Paid for my time, and efforts. Justly so. ----But I did not get what i was promoting. --I promoted a program that in the begining was working oh so well, and I had control of my funds, and compounding. Then came the lock in of 100% compounding. -- I should have seen the light then, but I was blinded Instead thinking oh this is great, only 60 working days, and i can collect what I want, and reinvest the rest---What a farse! ---but what choice now that i was locked in? FAITH, and only blind faith kept me going. But then when My time had passed with waiting , Nothing but delays. and then Just plain NOTHING! No communications--- No commissions, and NO PAY! I lost my faith, and felt embarassed that i led so many people into the dark chasm of Money grubbing theives. Yes I will come to this forum Just to see the fools that believe The spirits whispering in their ears.
All I have ever asked for since the apparent demise Of SI. Is for confirmation that there is a SOSA< A Sam Colins< a true SI program That is PAYING. as promised.
So Yes I say they were wolves In sheeps wool, Leading all of us gullable Lambs to the slaughter house. I will say this forever " Show Me the MONEY they owe us. BOB1940
OH yes by the way LOOK CLOSELY wher this SI Program Is listed through out the HYIP sites! Hyip, Hyip Forum, Real Hyip, Hyip Monitor, Hyip Investment, Best Hyip Forum > Closed / Stopped / Scamming / Scammed Programs. > Solidinvestment
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Originally Posted by bob1940
At least we have some Dinars Bob! :cheers:
You got that one right whatever. This will definately make up for all 6 former programs that i lost on.
bob1940, I feel the same way in that I had told people about this program and it did look legit at the time. It still may be but, if it does come back (cross your fingers) I'll always be sceptical. I've been in this along time (Hyip's) and it took PIPS and SI to name a few, to now just do my own thing and not to tell family and friends or even promote about a program until I see facts for myself. I feel I have done an injustice to these people as the companies did that took off. So I do understand how you feel. I am as you, come here just to see if there is a posiblity of SI, PIPS, Dinar or what ever a program is doing or not doing. I still feel bashing a company and/or person is unnecessary until the facts are revealed, everyone has their own beliefs and hopes in life and if thats what it takes than go for it.
Just because we have not seen God, does that make us not have faith in him?
We all need faith, and we all hoped that these (or just one of these) programs would someday be our financial freedom. I have one company I'm in (can't mention, private) that I feel will someday be my financial freedom and I'll be hurt if it to ends up closing. But hey, it's only money and I will still have faith in the one above, he is my freedom in life and after.
God bless all and wish all prosperity!
tim410
Bob & Tim,
Outstanding dialog.....thank you both!!
tim, sorry to rant so Much. I also am not against these programs and know the risks I take. It is just that I finally woke up to reality. I have also stated in almost every negitive post that If I can be shown I, and thousands of others were not made a fool of that i would return to the fold. I can understand your feelings I have been in that position also. at one time with SI and PIPs I would have fought even the strongest opponent to SI or PIPS. but after spending day after day hour after hour in defense of the programs Just to end up being the jackass for wasteing my time, and efforts, and not being paid the Promised Jackpots-----well you should understand, and I know deep down in your being that you do. I only hope that these conversations help EVERY one out there To Play these Games with caution. and don't count on being paid from them. I also want you to know I don't consider My Postsd to be BASHING---Just venting ,and telling the TRUTH which is more than I can say for the Peoples (whoever they maybe) that present these Programs Knowing damn well they are going to rip off thousands of suckers, and fools.
NOTHING but the BEST CON artists In the Business! Peace go with you, and all members of the suckers clubs. --- DINAR is MONEY tangible and in hand , so i cannot find any complaints with that deal. except it should revalu NOW! LOL. PS> Jimmy Mack--- I am truely sorry I led YOU and others down that road. BOB1940.
Bob,
Not your fault..Theft by deception and fraud were never part of the formula that was sold to us! :nunu:
Hey Bob, jimmymack and the many others who lost funds, I feel the same as you do!
Pinetree....WE ALL HOPE THAT YOU ARE SO RIGHT! Besides we having to lose at this time...so, type away. But, Friday is September 15th.
krisark
Hay kirsark, Great to see ya back. We are all still in limbo mode wow. Hay did you get any Dinar? i have, looking forward for that one to take off to!!!
Trapper
Hey Trapper t...I've been checking in, reading, and waiting for another investment to come through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trapper t
I have a little over a million...I want to buy more so let's hope Pinetree's information is correct. Sorry Pinetree, but I won't be holding my breathe on SI and will patiently wait for Friday, September 15th...
krisark
Hi! krisark: [imua here]Quote:
Originally Posted by krisark
Hope you'r right...maybe 3 times a charm...for me...
PIPS...@ Barry James...on trial on the 13th, [little god]...on planet earth...[me thinks...
the most stuborn...human ever and so decieving-cannyving;] numero dos also SI...but the 15th should be the
beginning of something...better...keeping everything crossed here, even my
[eyes...yes]
Kirsark, So glad to hear from you and glad you have some of the DIARS . I wanted more also but will have to be satisfied with the 464,500 that i have----Unless Mr Pinetree Knows more than all the rest of us. I would be as happy as that pig wallering in the pigpen. If SiI were to FINALLY come through. Infact I will be humbled if it hapens and will also buy at least 5 million Dinar.
Don't give up on the club here we miss your comments. Your ex-Minnesotan Friend. BOB
all, fyi...
afaik pinetree gets his info from other fora only... so he doesn't know more than you, he knows better where to go and look for it ;).
Further, I think I'm reading the same fora and i interpret what came through (but can't disclose) like: don't expect anything soon... rather in a couple of weeks or so (my optimistic guess)... If SI is indeed resurrecting, they are 'working down' their investor's base, biggest ones first... so this may take a while.
Take care,
Hasse
Patient has been a golden word on this and forum...So, as we patiently wait! I say a big hello to everyone and am hoping for the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hasse
krisark
I'm with ya Hasse..........I'll be waitin'. LOL!! I just hope I can stay reasonably sane!!
Hay krisark. Looks like you survived Florida?!?!? Always nice to see ya!!
Bob.....you STILL ROCK!!!
oh my goodness I may have made the same mistake do you think they might forward my funds to the right S.I.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmymack
I am so glad that I didn't hold my breathe waiting for SI to return, hee hee
But, it's October 2nd and no word from anyone. But, I edited this post because I just read what Pinetree posted on another thread...He still believes everyone will be paid...so, what the heck do we have choice but to wait and see? NOPE! So, we wait! and wait, and wait,...
krisark
still waiting, not so much hope as before its disappearing at about 2% a day
I hear ta flocky!!
I heard 'somewhere' that 'someone' says we should look for 'something' on or before the 20th of October! As you and I well know, when that day approaches and passes with nothing.....'someone' else will magically come up with another date because the 20th of October came just to fast and 'they haven't had time to prepare!!
End of October will be what, four or five months? I will then feel comfortable (as if I am not now!) believing we were taken by the russkies in a fabulous and very successful scam. I must say, they were good!! Very good! Look at the people who still are dedicated and believe!
I too was just as dedicated at one time. Now, it saddens me to think of the people who have lost so much behind this. The devestation these people caused. You can't really blame to much on those that 'invested!' These guys looked and sounded outstanding and had some solid DD behind them!
We all need to be more supportive of each other here and watch out for all the members here at Rol Club.
Let this be another lesson to those of us who invest in these programs to make a quick buck. If the investment is not legal ( registered with the SEC or a country's equivalent ), it is a good chance something will go wrong. The authorities are all over these investments now. I am just waiting on the Dinar and nothing else for me.
:blueh:
Dates come and go,nothing ever happens.It is the norm that when a programme shuts,it shuts forever.
Maybe SI will prove different,but I very much doubt it.:rolleyes:
It shirr would be nice if the Dinar and SI happened at the same time lol!!!
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Originally Posted by Trapper t
many of still using YS link in signature line