Halotto Reverse Matrix - Support!

This thread serves one purpose only - to show support for the idea!

If Bryan was to reverse the downline periodically, then those on the bottom would go to
the top and those at the top would go to the bottom, This way, everyone could have a
chance to share in the wealth that the LOTTO represents.

It is for letting Bryan how many of us would like for him to consider the idea.
Whether he can or cannot do it is a programming question he must answer.
I don't have that answer.

ONLY positive posts of support. Please - no negative posts

IF YOU SUPPORT THE IDEA - POST A SIMPLE YES !!!

I most certainly agree with that idea!!!!!! I think in the spirit of HA Lotto this is a great way to share the wealth!!!!


YES

If I understand what you mean correctly, this would be toally unfair to the people on top who have worked hard with recruiting and such if they were put on the bottom

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Originally Posted by Mike

If I understand what you mean correctly, this would be toally unfair to the people on top who have worked hard with recruiting and such if they were put on the bottom

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This would be a periodic reversal. The benefit being that everyone would have the opportunity to actually reap a gain. If someone told me that I would really chance to gain from my participation in a program - I wouldn't hesitate one bit. This would drive signups through the roof.

Hi guys (meaning gals too!)

This topic has been brought up before...If I remember correctly, Bryan expressed interest in the idea.

There has been all kinds of matrices and reverse-flip matrices...the ones that always caught my eye were the ones that flipped bottom-up then middle-out...I don't know the 'proper' terminology, but it certainly does make people take another look when they know that they WILL at some point get flipped up and around in their matrix.

Not sure what effect that would have on referrals and commissions though, would probably be a programmers' nightmare, right?

Just me thinking out loud again.

I would also say yes for flipping if given the opportunity to choose.

Smile...HALotto will be great! This was a fantastic idea to have the 'test' phase to work out any kinks...actually getting signed up was pretty stressful, but I bought a new mouse and now everything is good again! lol!

Tiff :-)

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Originally Posted by primer22

This would be a periodic reversal. The benefit being that everyone would have the opportunity to actually reap a gain. If someone told me that I would really chance to gain from my participation in a program - I wouldn't hesitate one bit. This would drive signups through the roof.

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Yes, but what about putting the top people to the bottom, is that right? What about the hard work they have put in?


Remember not everyone is in this to help others. Almost everyone wants to earn for themselves.

In order to maintain a good overall perspective..A quick rundown shows that...Rolclub began as a humble offering to supply a gathering place to discuss the current events surrounding PiPs. RC/Merek has managed to maintain the PIPS following (and should be applauded) and appears to be the largest group/forum based on the PIPS advertising/promotional effort that I've seen. We are now presented with HALotto, which by all accounts, will certainly succeed and hopefully exceed expectations, BUT we need to ensure that the original Idea...To create the opportunity for the person that does not have the unlimited resources or the knowedge and ablility to Promote effectively,.. to remain intact. I would be willing to reverse my position (Rolclub level 3) in the matrix to benefit all.
Thanks for listening..Pogo

Yes, but I don't think it would be fair to all to have their positions forcefully reversed.

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Originally Posted by primer22

This thread serves one purpose only - to show support for the idea!

If Bryan was to reverse the downline periodically, then those on the bottom would go to
the top and those at the top would go to the bottom, This way, everyone could have a
chance to share in the wealth that the LOTTO represents.

It is for letting Bryan how many of us would like for him to consider the idea.
Whether he can or cannot do it is a programming question he must answer.
I don't have that answer.

ONLY positive posts of support. Please - no negative posts

IF YOU SUPPORT THE IDEA - POST A SIMPLE YES !!!

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I think maybe down the road this would be good, but right now with all the problems that Bryan is having getting the "code" worked out, I would be scared to see what would happen if he turned it upside down, even a year later.

I think some kind of reversed or rotated matrix is essential for the longevity of the programme.As we all know most MLM (which this is in its present form) are doomed to fail due to attrition on the lower levels.Even the big guns like AMWAY succeed because they have a fairly,high quality product that consumers can use.At present,the product here is 6 lotto tickets.This is a very dicey product to be promoting when we all know the statistical odds of winning are very small.
My fear is that we will go LIVE prematurely.No-one will have a full matrix and with no assurance of a reversed or rotated matrix,thus no assurance of making any income,people will drop out of the affiliate programme and buy the odd ticket to have a bit of a flutter now and again.

very good idea, but why you dont post this idea in the halotto forum...?

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Originally Posted by Mike

Yes, but I don't think it would be fair to all to have their positions forcefully reversed.

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Not sure how you can say 'hard work'.
99% of the current membership haven't recruited a single person, they were just lucky to be the first in and benefited from spill-over.
However, if people had worked hard to build a full matrix themselves, I can see them not being happy, but this applies to no one yet.

The idea of a reversed matrix was first suggested to Bryan by Ofshore-Wealth.

Here is the post:

http://www.rolclub.com/showthread.php?p=50353#post50353

Bryan replied directly after.

Yes! To see HA Lotto Progress long term.

Donel

Interesting,

As most know, I suggested this as a way to stop attrition which is the killer of all MLM's over time, usually 18 months and you effectively hit the wall, no matter how good you are at recruiting, everyone hits the attrition wall where it becomes more difficult to add people as you are losing just as many to attrition.

There is no perfect system, but the only way for long term success is to stop attrition, far more important than recruiting is. I expected the comments from anyone who is at the top, as this is typical, and they hate the thought or reversing matrix, but what about the thousands who are contributing to these top positions, how do you think they feel?

Simple as it gets, stop attrition and everyone wins, not just the ones on top three levels. The perfect opportunity for a system like this exists because a lotto is a low cost program in comparison to others, so imagine if you knew you would hit a big monthly pay day at little cost per month, would you stay qualified? Yes, most would, but if you finally learned you would likely never see spillover, and you were not a recruiter, would you still play every week? I rest my case. (g)

As to hard work done by those at the top, hmmmmm, I wonder if we could identify what is hard about registering and watching spillover happen? It all comes down to trying to be fair with everyone since this is a unique family, not the usual greed motivated deals we have all lost on. Make it fair, and people will stay, if not, it will be all over in 18 months or less.

Good luck to all, Mike

Mike,

I like you analogy, and it would make sense if they would do reverse matrix say every three months.

We will see what will happened with suggestion.

You right the best solution:bringiton Reverse matrix no matter how good you are.

Super8:flame:
From Canada

Well, obviously there isn't any recruiting at the moment as the lotto is in test phases and Bryan hasnt given the goahead to recruit/advertise.

But once it starts, to those who work hard etc, is it fair to them to have their matrix position forcefully reversed? Doesn't matter if it benefits a lot, being unfair to some for the sake of many isnt right.

Mike

I am smack dab in the middle of the rolclub matrix, so I don't stand to gain directly from this idea. But indirectly I would gain because I think the longevity of the program would be greatly enhanced. As for those who "worked so hard to get on top" by typing faster than me, they should not be greedy and think of the greater good. I hope BM will look closely at this idea and whether it is feasable. I am just thankful to be part of the program either way.

Me again. In response to Mike on the subject of fairness. What about all those who stayed up in front of their computers trying feverishly to get signed in to the lotto only to have their accounts deleted, try again the next day, deleted and then finally on the third try get signed up on the bottom of the matrix while those who were LUCKY enough to get signed up on top slept comfortably dreaming of all the money they were going to make? I am not blaming BM, he did what he had to do, but that really sucks for those people. I think the reversing matrix is a great idea!

Yes some people had bad luck by the deletion etc, but does that make it right to put someone who is on top (who may have worked hard recruiting people) to the bottom?

Of course once lotto starts many will work hard and recruit. Is it fair to them to have their position reversed. They are working for themselves and not for others. Why should they lose out?

Yes for those whose positions are solely based on spillover, it would be ok for reverse matrix.


BUT FOR THOSE WHO ACTUALLY WORKED FOR IT, IT WOULD BE UNFAIR..

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Originally Posted by Mike

Yes some people had bad luck by the deletion etc, but does that make it right to put someone who is on top (who may have worked hard recruiting people) to the bottom?

Of course once lotto starts many will work hard and recruit. Is it fair to them to have their position reversed. They are working for themselves and not for others. Why should they lose out?

Yes for those whose positions are solely based on spillover, it would be ok for reverse matrix.


BUT FOR THOSE WHO ACTUALLY WORKED FOR IT, IT WOULD BE UNFAIR..

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Do u think that all downline member will buy ticket every week ?? yes if we make some thing attractive then they will stay here long

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Originally Posted by Mike

Yes some people had bad luck by the deletion etc, but does that make it right to put someone who is on top (who may have worked hard recruiting people) to the bottom?

Of course once lotto starts many will work hard and recruit. Is it fair to them to have their position reversed. They are working for themselves and not for others. Why should they lose out?

Yes for those whose positions are solely based on spillover, it would be ok for reverse matrix.


BUT FOR THOSE WHO ACTUALLY WORKED FOR IT, IT WOULD BE UNFAIR..

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I'm not sure that it's all that unfair...Basically you'd be giving the downline you worked so hard to get an incentive to sign up and stay in. If you're at the top 90% of the time, anyway, how unfair is that? I don't believe anyone is calling for the reversals to be permanent or very long lasting. My understanding is that they are meant to be basically a "lottery inside the lottery". It's meant to give those in the lower matrices a "taste" of what awaits them if they build their matrix. Just my .02...

Everwiser

This is my point exactly. If the people you work hard to recruit get a taste of what kind of money is available to them if they work hard they are less likely to be lost to attrition. You may lose one or two months of being at the top each year, but if the program is dead after 1 year you stand to lose much more don't you? Of course it still remains to be seen whether it is feasable from a programming standpoint. Does anyone know if this has been attempted before?

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Originally Posted by sparkee

I am smack dab in the middle of the rolclub matrix, so I don't stand to gain directly from this idea. But indirectly I would gain because I think the longevity of the program would be greatly enhanced. As for those who "worked so hard to get on top" by typing faster than me, they should not be greedy and think of the greater good. I hope BM will look closely at this idea and whether it is feasable. I am just thankful to be part of the program either way.

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Interesting,

Here is a system I had been working on would be progressive, as in level by level once a month it would reverse, similar to shuffling the deck to make it as fair as possible.

When some people talk about fair, they are speaking from a personal impact, when I speak of fair, I am thinking of everyone, there is a difference. What some fail to realize is that the only way you will ever see growth and longevity is to stop attrition, and the only way you can do this is to create an incentive within to stick it out.

As everwiser stated, sort of a lotto in a lotto concept, and just knowing that if I stay involved, sooner or later I will see a big pay day, and that is all most of us would need to stay involved. It is like having a winning lotto number, but you don't know when the drawing date is. (g)

How many hear would rather see a couple grand a month once you average it out over a year vs. seeing a select few earn $10K per month until attrition kills it off to nothing in several months? So is that the fair you were talking about? Sorry, but I would like to see it more fair for everyone over the next decade. (g)

Good luck to all, Mike

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Originally Posted by Offshore-Wealth.com

Interesting,

Here is a system I had been working on would be progressive, as in level by level once a month it would reverse, similar to shuffling the deck to make it as fair as possible.

When some people talk about fair, they are speaking from a personal impact, when I speak of fair, I am thinking of everyone, there is a difference. What some fail to realize is that the only way you will ever see growth and longevity is to stop attrition, and the only way you can do this is to create an incentive within to stick it out.

As everwiser stated, sort of a lotto in a lotto concept, and just knowing that if I stay involved, sooner or later I will see a big pay day, and that is all most of us would need to stay involved. It is like having a winning lotto number, but you don't know when the drawing date is. (g)

How many hear would rather see a couple grand a month once you average it out over a year vs. seeing a select few earn $10K per month until attrition kills it off to nothing in several months? So is that the fair you were talking about? Sorry, but I would like to see it more fair for everyone over the next decade. (g)

Good luck to all, Mike

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I was quite lucky and got in quite early, my number is 230. I like the idea of a reverse matrix though, in my opinion as you say, I think there would be far less attrition. Hopefully Bryan might look into it.

Good Luck to all!

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