Thread: Hey.... Bush and his Regime how they will be viewed in the history books?

hey mods sorry to post this here but move it if needed. Gave you a New Thread for its own Topic. -neno


Well I just thought of this tonight. We all judge bush and his regime and say how he is the worst president and we all think of what will happen in the future. But how will our kids and grandkids look back on this president and view him? Will they see him as a very good president who wasnt allowed to do what he needed to succeed? Or will they view him as a moron who jeporadized the United States and the safety of our families and the future members of our families? Well think of it like this. If the democrats force a pull out through the house or what ever means they use, Bush will look like a good president who "Could of" won this war but was never given the benefit of the doubt. Now lets look at this... We are making progress in IRaq. What if we didnt try to pull troops out and we all united as a country and as a people of freedom to back the man in charge? What if his plan could work? These are all questions we need to ask ourselves as Americans and as Humans. I dont know folks. YOu put your input down.

Originally Posted by PaulieThaGreat

hey mods sorry to post this here but move it if needed. Gave you a New Thread for its own Topic. -neno


Well I just thought of this tonight. We all judge bush and his regime and say how he is the worst president and we all think of what will happen in the future. But how will our kids and grandkids look back on this president and view him? Will they see him as a very good president who wasnt allowed to do what he needed to succeed? Or will they view him as a moron who jeporadized the United States and the safety of our families and the future members of our families? Well think of it like this. If the democrats force a pull out through the house or what ever means they use, Bush will look like a good president who "Could of" won this war but was never given the benefit of the doubt. Now lets look at this... We are making progress in IRaq. What if we didnt try to pull troops out and we all united as a country and as a people of freedom to back the man in charge? What if his plan could work? These are all questions we need to ask ourselves as Americans and as Humans. I dont know folks. YOu put your input down.

Since no one touched this one I guess I will. It really depends on how some ongoing things turn out as well as whether the next President is "Great" or a "Dismal Failure". I look back to Ronald Reagan for drawing my comparison.

George Bush is no Ronald Reagan but there are a lot of similarities to their prospective places in history. Both followed Democrat Presidents and both had their crisis' to deal with. Reagan had to rebuild our military after years of cutting by the Carter administration which ran up the deficit and Bush has had to do the same to ours after 8 years of cuts by the Clinton admin. Reagan had the Cold War and basically told the USSR "in your face" and began a military runup that bankrupted them when they attempted to keep pace. Bush declared war on "terror" and the countries and peoples that deal in "terror". Both policies are and were attacked and ridiculed in the mainstream medias, Hollywood, and the world in general.

Both have had slow or recessive economies to "kickstart" and in both cases, they cut taxes and the economy was stimulated. In the case of Reagan, there were the largest number people to move from the poverty-class to the middle-class in the history of this country. In Bush's case there have been a huge number of "first-time" home buyers; more than during the Clinton era.

The worldwide media bias against them both was and has been relentless. You would think that everyone absolutely hated them. However, one only has to go back and watch the footage of the Reagan funeral and the people lining the roads as his hearse drove by to realize that the majority of the people in the US really loved and respected the man. There had not been such an outpouring of the American public for a President since Kennedy's funeral processions. Will Bush be treated as well? That will remain to be seen. However, the majority of vitriol that is thrown at GWB is from the left and the media. The majority of the people in the military that I've ever talked to respect and like the man and are much happier that he is the Commander in Chief instead of the other two possibilities. The majority of the country generally has a good opinion of him. Yes, most are tired of Iraq but they still rate his character higher than Clinton before him.

In the end, I think he will be vindicated and then respected. Just like we never hear good news from the mainstream media about Iraq, we never hear good news about Bush, but that doesn't mean there haven't been good things happening. Like I said above, it remains to be seen, but I think the history books will cover him favorably...

Thanks Everwiser. Presicely the words I didnt say. Seriously. I told Paulie that day, I was a Bush supporter on skype. Just never came back to post. Sorry for that Paulie.

I agree with Everwiser, the Iraq situation is just Old to the American Public. Why? American Media, that is why. You never see the good of this War from the Media. Why? I just dont know. Is it apart of the game? Or is it the liberal views of a Prsident on his last two years of Term to help the Next Presidential Election? I still just dont know.

But I will say this, before the War, 911, and reports of how Iraq was, and how their women were treated, you could not find many in the American Public that didn't support the beginning of the War.

After the fall of Sadam, I dont think many knew what was coming with Insurgencey and Sectarian Violence. Now since that happen, and Rumsfield didn't plan or adjust for it, Every Media Station out there wants to Blaim the Bush Administration. Boo******who.

At Least Bush has stayed the course. And is working for the freedom still for the Iraqi People as it began with. I know, people will say no it was the OIL. Ok maybe it was, but they still had to help the freedom of the Iraqi People to go in there. If Bush had another Term instead of this being his last, I promise the other side would still be quit for 4 more YEARS. Just my thoughts Paulie.

The Bush administration is trying to accomplish an almost impossible task within the context of a socialist/communist media. History will only vindicate him if we win. Thats a big IF. Since the October Revolution the press has been anti American. It will not change until the "People" of the west revolt against their treachery. Unlikely! It could be the several cocktails I have been enjoying for the last week in the bright sunshine, but I dont think the west has the stones to do it. Lenin always preached patience. Something we lack. Their infiltration is complete. Media, education, information. They dont see the wacked out resurgence of salafist islam that is the problem to them, they are but an kindred spirit. Until the next catastophic attack, we have lost! DEAL WITH IT!!!

The biggest mistake Bush made was that he didnt dispatch with Iran first. Its too late now. Iran will now become a nuclear power and we will do nothing but huff and puff about it. Politics has trumped necessity. The war is going to reach an all new level. Sit back and watch. We are all going to pay for the elites quest for power. We will pay for it, not them. Islam is on the move and they dont give a crap who runs this country. The weaker the better.

Sorry to pee in everyones popcorn but things are going to get a whole hell of a lot worse before it gets better. The first people that should swing from the gallows are our esteemed politicians.

When Winston Churchill became Prime Minster of Great Britain, he didnt think of it as a great victory but as a great failure because he couldnt convince the people of England of the threat Germany posed and of the wrong coarse of people like Neville Chamberlain. Its happening all over again only with a religious bent to it. I only wish it was National Socialism we faced but its much worse.

What my week off has taught me is I dont care anymore about the dinar and what it means to our wealth. Islam is completely disfunctional and a a complete ananchronism in the 21st century and too dangerous. The Iraqi's can all go to hell as far as I'm concerned! The Islamic world needs to be brought to its knees, and now. As long as they feel they have any power whatsoever they are a threat to the civilized world. If anyone disagrees, read the Koran and Ahadith. Its right there. Otherwise, send your children and grandchildren to do what you refused to do. Or better yet, convert! Renounce Christianity and Judiism. The secular progressives dont have that choice. Once they have served their purpose they are dead. Muslims reserve no mercy for atheists, period. But they will use them for the greater movement.

In short, at least Bust did something which is more that we can say for the rest of our elitist politicians. If we win he will reserve a place of greatness for having done something. If we lose, Muslims will write the history and he will be the villain CNN, MSMBC and rest of the mainstream says he is, but then again, they wont be around much longer either. As we know, the victor writes the history.

Originally Posted by Kevmo

The biggest mistake Bush made was that he didnt dispatch with Iran first. Its too late now. Iran will now become a nuclear power and we will do nothing but huff and puff about it. Politics has trumped necessity. The war is going to reach an all new level. Sit back and watch. We are all going to pay for the elites quest for power. We will pay for it, not them. Islam is on the move and they dont give a crap who runs this country. The weaker the better.

I agree with this....W's legacy is doomed IMO...

Bush went into a major war over a non-existent nuclear weapons program. Presidents' reputations don't survive things like that. Historians are creatures of documents and precision. A wild exaggeration with serious consequences is against everything they stand for as a profession. So forget about history and destiny and the divine will. Bush is at the helm of the Exxon Valdez and it is headed for the shoals. He can't afford to daydream about future decades...

In 20 years no Iraqis will have Bush on their minds one way or another. Do you think anyone in Egypt or Israel is still grateful to Jimmy Carter for helping bring to an end the cycle of Egyptian-Israeli wars? Jimmy Carter powerfully affected the destinies of all Egyptians and Israelis in that key way. Most people in both countries have probably never heard of him, and certainly no one talks about the first Camp David Accords anymore except as a dry historical subject. The US pro-Israel lobby is so ungrateful that they curse Carter roundly for all the help he gave Israel. Human beings don't have good memories for these things, which is why we have to have professional historians, a handful of people who are obsessed with the subject...

sadly, what jerks me off the most is i actly voted for the human piece of crap in 2000.... oh, and by the way.....WHERES OSAMA ???

ya know that guy we were suppose to be going to war for !!

OSAMA BEEN FORGOTTEN !!!

Originally Posted by nikki

Bush went into a major war over a non-existent nuclear weapons program. Presidents' reputations don't survive things like that. Historians are creatures of documents and precision. A wild exaggeration with serious consequences is against everything they stand for as a profession. So forget about history and destiny and the divine will. Bush is at the helm of the Exxon Valdez and it is headed for the shoals. He can't afford to daydream about future decades...

And yet Kennedy gets a pass on the Bay of Pigs, possible complicity in Marilyn Monroe's death, and his numerours "dalliances" because he was a Democrat or because he caught a bullet in the head? I would venture that history and its historians have not treated him so badly. Before you jump on me for my comment, he was a Democrat I "could" have voted for had I been old enough and I can not say that about Carter or Clinton.

"Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country..." If only modern Democrats could take that mantra and run with it. Instead they concentrate on making government ever larger and more invasive and veil it with talk of "personal rights and privacy" yet that is only for them.

"Don't ask, don't tell." "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinski, not one time." Now we have middle school children have oral sex parties because according to an ex-President and all the media of the day, "oral sex is not sex."

Anyone remember Hillary's health care plan? Regardless of whether your current coverage was better you would have had to be in "the plan" as it was laid out. Why? To make sure you are dependent upon the Democrat party for life. Talk about your voter base...It's pure Socialism bordering on Communism...

That is not to say Bush hasn't made mistakes but they do not reach the heights of hypocrisy that the former administration/President had put this country through...

I stand by my original post. Bush will be vindicated. Some other recent Presidents and candidates will not be so lucky...

Originally Posted by everwiser

And yet Kennedy gets a pass on the Bay of Pigs, possible complicity in Marilyn Monroe's death, and his numerours "dalliances" because he was a Democrat or because he caught a bullet in the head? I would venture that history and its historians have not treated him so badly. Before you jump on me for my comment, he was a Democrat I "could" have voted for had I been old enough and I can not say that about Carter or Clinton.

"Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country..." If only modern Democrats could take that mantra and run with it. Instead they concentrate on making government ever larger and more invasive and veil it with talk of "personal rights and privacy" yet that is only for them.

"Don't ask, don't tell." "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinski, not one time." Now we have middle school children have oral sex parties because according to an ex-President and all the media of the day, "oral sex is not sex."

Anyone remember Hillary's health care plan? Regardless of whether your current coverage was better you would have had to be in "the plan" as it was laid out. Why? To make sure you are dependent upon the Democrat party for life. Talk about your voter base...It's pure Socialism bordering on Communism...

That is not to say Bush hasn't made mistakes but they do not reach the heights of hypocrisy that the former administration/President had put this country through...

I stand by my original post. Bush will be vindicated. Some other recent Presidents and candidates will not be so lucky...

middle schoolers do not have sex parties because of Bill Clinton, they have sex parties because of the degradation of society in general in this country. Sex and money are God. Very sad. Early on in this president's admin I wrote a letter to the editor saying, uh oh.....I can see where this is going. The war is the least of it. Shall we talk about gutting environmental protections, very systematically? Ending birth control and education about it to all third world countries, who cares about the spiraling out of control population of this planet? Pollution? Health care? yada yada. I will be the first to agree that no one can really know how this will shake out, and my opionion is just that. If he goes down in history as anything less than the most destructive public official this country has ever seen...(and his smarter, more powerful cronies as well...) I will happily eat my words. I hope I'm wrong.

I dont' know yet what I beleive. I believed we went to Iraq because of 911 and to capture bin laden. Then the info that it was all about oil. I think Bush's lintentions are partly sincere. If it was all a big laid out plan, that just boggles the mind. How in the heck could you control a plan of such magnitude? Neno, I believe you're right. Bush is doing what he believes in. But also has a greedy side of his own. I feel the American people are concerned with me, myself and I. Until it directly affects us. Then we start whining and crying, but the damage has been done. If we could just all get pissed enough and realize the ramnifications, we would be so much stronger.

One more thing, I don't understand why TRUTH is so hard a deal. There is too much secrecy and conspiracys and behind the door deals, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. It all got screwed up a looooong time ago. That's too bad. I put this in the wrong thread. Could someone please move it to the Bush/Regime thread? thank you

I dont imagine Abraham Lincon was very popular at the time of the Emancipation Proclamation...probally cost him his life....but he was right....

I think in the short term history out look...@ 10 years, GW will be demonized but the left wing radical , the secular progressives, and of course the democracts...but in the real history of @ 100 years he will get glory that people will see it was the right thing to do.....and he did good...

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