IT IS ILLEGAL.
BM HAS BEEN BANNED FROM STARTING NEW PROGRAMS UNTIL AFTER THE BNM INVESTIGATION IS OVER.
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IT IS ILLEGAL.
BM HAS BEEN BANNED FROM STARTING NEW PROGRAMS UNTIL AFTER THE BNM INVESTIGATION IS OVER.
:rant:
Hi,
By whom was BM banned? Is this really true? Can they ban him from starting programs? Unless they have found wrongdoings, this would seem inappropriate.
peterben
Not to mention the other aliases on TG promoting other programs
Under most governments of the world when someone and their company is under investigation and all their assets are frozen that usually means they are forbidden to partake in any more business dealings.Quote:
Originally Posted by peterben
Thats the norm its true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pippyman
I cant for the life of me figure why BM didn't wait until the investigation is over.He has put himself in a very difficult position.
Dreamer,
that is true in an investigation where criminality is expected or know to exist. In an investigation where verification is needed to support an allegation that is not yet proven, however, this may not be the case if I understood the comment of someone who wrote about this somewhere, I forget where.
Can someone shed light on this, please? I am not certain, but that is how i seem to remember it.
Thanks,
peterben
You may well be right Peter.Innocent until proven guilty.
I must say I'm a bit angry. I haven't invested into 10x5, and to be honest I do completely understand his reasons for doing what he did. If it had his name aganist it, it would be the subject of a concerted effort to pull it down. By doing it under an alias this problem is avoided.
However, I can't help but think that this is obtaining money by deception. After Halotto many would have been wary of investing with BM, at least until Pips returns (hopefully still will) and some truth is revealed.
Agreed,Quote:
Originally Posted by nej
I am all for privacy issues, and of course, Bryan's name is $hit to say the least at this point, but why didn't he make good on HA before starting another pyramid HYIPster deal? That is what pisses me off, he should have cleared issues on why HA was brought down first, and then he could have started other deals, and then put it under a legitimate persons name. I am sure with some of the loyalists still believing in him, this could have been done easily.
It would have been so easy to just tell us he is supporting a specific program and recommends it, and who cares who was behind it, at least it would not have been outright lies as to being Barry James which is outright fraud no matter how you want to look at it. Sorry folks, you can lie on a forum about who you are, but in business, you cannot lie for it is illegal act of deception, even if business was legitimate, and not just some copycat pyramid ponzi and HYIPster deal which most know are not legitimate businesses.
I can't help but think about how PIPS Lotto and then HA came about. It was supposedly not hindered by BN investigation, but we found out that was not true along with all the other issues which we were told. If he would have had someone else step in as HA admin and honor deposits, it would have been easier to understand, but to do what he did was last straw for most of us who do care about honesty and integrity. Sorry,
but anyone who continues supporting a pathological liar is a bit hard for me to understand. If Bryan wants privacy from us knowing who he really is, makes me wonder if his name really is Bryan Marsden to start with. Once a pathological liar, always one, after all, sadly it is a mental illness.
Good luck to all, Mike
Some or rather, a large handful of loyalist and disturbed minds simply cannot understand the value and moral need to uphold ethics and creed when distancing the word and practice , DECEPTION carries.
I was thrilled by this 10by5 Cycler option that had caught me off guard as the hallmarks of the HA Lotto goals and when I put it to the test concerning meeting up soon in Singapore, it was avoided with a "credible" excuse... and I wondered why???
Now, we know...with devastation and being once again deceived and here we have, members calling us names and what have you out of desperation and lack of their own esteem...does it not reflect something here?
I watched by chance, that movie "Insider" and found similarities with conduct and principles being washed aside simply for saving pride, goals and greed just so, the word never gets out to save the rest...who are the victims of nicotine buildup when smoking.
We have the same players here too.. It is a pity...but no sad loss to those we have to sanitized RC Forum from the undesirables...we have to do what is necessary and it has nothing to do about being , as say continue to alledge, for or against PIPS or Bryan....what a silly analogy among puppets that lost reality to facts and correct approach.
YB. - cheers to the RC CARE Group....:beer:
No-one has banned BM from anything. He has been co-operating with Malaysias National Regulator investigating complaints received from the public to ascertain whether P*ps breached any of their rules regarding sale and administration of investments.Quote:
Originally Posted by peterben
To date no charges have been made against either Bryan or any single member of the group of Companies. After a year of investigation it seems hhighly unlikely to me that anything other than technical offenses could have been committed.
Solid Invest on the other hand, (until recently promoted heavily by this forum) was off line for a matter of a few days before this happened.
Does the treatment of these two cases seem in any way comparable? I think not.Quote:
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The bounty covers and includes the person(s) that called themselves Rafael Sosa and/or Sam Collins.
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Does anyone think I have missed something here?
Michael
WHAT? (lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockfish
I would love to know where YOU are obtaining your insight into this investigation from? (These types of BS public forums...LOL!) Who have you been talking to? What is your international legal background? Or do you just get off slandering anyone YOU think is guilty?
This is simply some wacko's hearsay personal agenda at work.....yet again!!
To me it is obvious that Marsden seems to be addicted to running scams. He is obviously good at deception, especially up close and personal as so many have attested to here, and found it an easy way to separate people from their money. All he ever talks about is his dire straits, so he must be desparate to get money for something, lawyers, better digs, to get the h out of dodge, or whatever; thanks to the laptop provided by loyal pipsters, he'll continue to do it, any which way, unless/until he goes behind bars.
Agreed,Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelr
Sure is strange, I will give you that, and with no charges just yet, this is indeed unusual, but on the other hand, it could be a landmark case pro or con, we just don't know yet since there is no comparable.
But, we know Bryan was restricted, he said so himself, if true, so we are all still in the blind while we wait. If he was clear to start PIPS lotto, or HA, under the PIPS umbrella, as it was not included, great, I have no problem with that and was looking forward to it.
On the other hand, we don't even know if that was true, for BN was not aware of this HA lotto, but as one of my contacts stated, they were concerned, and then poof, it was gone, and not a peep was ever mentioned? If that was legal, then why didn't it come back? Why was two other identified deals started instead?
Sure are a lot of unanswered questions, and I cannot think of one valid answer to commit fraud, and starting any business, online or off is illegal under a fake identity. Why is it some can overlook this point. If it were just a forum name being used that is one thing, but this was not the case, and when directly asked, he stated he was Barry James, then admitted it, so how some can justify this as OK is beyond me, but we are all allowed to have our own opinions and ethics, no question there.
I don't think you missed anything, I just think different people have different opinions on these issues. SI was a scam right out of the gate, and plenty of us said so as the red flags were popping up in Dec., but hey, we all know deep down inside all HYIP's are pyramid scams, so I will not say Bryan's deals were same as SI, but come on, he still took money from HA deposits, even if only a few thousand, this should have been addressed before moving to next deals. Just my opinion on issues, but I agree, these are not comparable to SI, YET?
Good luck to all, Mike
Why do't BM go and get a job and stops all these nonsense wirth HA Lotto and 10x5 etc...
A pathetic soul...
I agree with Mike, I was seriously thinking of joining 10/5. I'm sorry, but Bryan has destroyed any integrity that he once had with me. I feel that he should be using every opportunity to pay back funds to those he took money from. He must think that he is Robbing Hood; take from anyone he can lie to and give it to whomever he thinks needs it with our concent based on the lie. Fool me once , shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I'll do no business with BM.
Greg
Good post Mike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore-Wealth.com
Makes me wonder how BM can continue in this fashion whilst still under investigation.
Whatever his motive,I and several others don't understand it.
Someone on here cited the old saying "One is considered innocent until proven guilty". Well whoever believes that has never run up against the IRS. In their book you're guilty when they accuse you and if hearings start proving you might be innocent, they make up rules to prove you're guilty.
I happen to know of a person who is in prison right now because he felt he was innocent and when he tried to prove it with their own laws, the ignoramuses who were bringing the complaint against him started making up their own laws since they didn't actaully know what their own laws were. To top it all off they got the judge on their side (out of intimidation, or what?). I don't know. Let's hope BNM are a bit more fair than that! Who knows!
Exactly,Quote:
Originally Posted by hzchoice2
What most people don't realize is that only under criminal law are you presumed innocent until proven guilty. Under civil law, it is just the opposite, you are guilty and you are the one who must prove otherwise. I have seen many innocent people lose their cases only because they were not able to afford legal council. Yes, again, under criminal charges you are entitled to legal assistance, and if you cannot afford one, the court will assign one gratis, not that this is much good given who you will be assigned, but it is better than nothing, barely. Under civil law, no such help is available, and this is why civil law is far more powerful and why it is used more often than ever, even if it is a criminal act, civil will bring you down without help.
When you mention IRS, this is exactly the tactic they will use. The same is said for FTC and SEC, they will take every dime you own, seize all your assets, then wait you out while you starve to death. I have also been involved with personal experience and even though they could not prove their case, the parties I was privy to lost by default. Why, simple, they were denied jury, the judge was biased, the court appointed receiver was an outright thief sucking millions in assets for doing nothing more than being assigned as receiver by judge. He manufacutered whatever evidense they needed to win case, and this was proven, yet ignored by judge, even when witnesses testified against fraudulent manufactured evidense.
Simply put, the legal system sucks, as do most judges and lawyers, so unless you have seen this first hand, as some have, you wouldn't beleive it. Now we can do something about it, as power in numbers is our only protection against a corrupt and slanted system which is chipping away at our constitutional rights every day. Fight Back, get educated is your only defense. I gaurantee you PIPS will never see the light of day in any way shape or form. This is why it is taking so long, just as all the other cases I have followed, slow to show evidense is kiss of death.
Good luck to all, Mike