Talk Gold attacking Charis of 12DP.

I red the blog of Charis Johnsen at http://www.talkgoldnemesis.com/
(no it is not taking you to Talk Gold :smiley: )

I am writing this in order to inform those of you that have been at TG and seen this crap, so you will know the facts.

The blog is confirmed to be genuin from Charis hand, at 12DP forum.

It looks like TG has put their evil forces together against 12DP this time.

There must be some sick people over at TG?
It looks like they are using the same recipe as they did to break down BM and our PIPS.

Please, do not visit TG to increase the traffic there, it will onley make you feel bad. :mad3:

Have an excellent day. :smiley:

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Do you need money?
Go see my website.
solhov

Thank you Solhov. This is eyopening reading for all......

More proof, as if any was needed, that TG'ers are a bunch of f*****s.

Maybe this blog can be brought to the attention of Bryan and he can post there if for some reason he is unable to post on his or ROL's forum.

Interesting,

It appears that Brian is nothing more than a con who cares only about traffic to his trash site so it lines his pockets at the expense of others, so as was expressed by 12DP, boycot site and don't visit it, and pass it on to everyone you know, simple.

Good luck to all, Mike

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Originally Posted by Offshore-Wealth.com

Interesting,

It appears that Brian is nothing more than a con who cares only about traffic to his trash site so it lines his pockets at the expense of others, so as was expressed by 12DP, boycot site and don't visit it, and pass it on to everyone you know, simple.

Good luck to all, Mike

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I thought we knew this a long time ago. They did it to pips and they are doing it again here.

Don't you think it's a little ironic that you are calling me a con, yet supporting Marsden? All I do is run a forum. The members make the forum. If someone calls a program a scam, Pips, 12dp, FLO, Foriegn Fund, Nova Lights, etc, I don't ban them. If this is considered a con, then I guess I am one.

Every single major program which ended as a scam. Foreign Funds, EZbucks, FreelandOpps, Pips, GRT Trader, GWP, Novalights, etc all had admins who threatened me and members who looked at me like the bad guy. The facts are the admins were all crooks, and many of the members remain at Talkgold to try and discover new opportinities. If I hadn't allowed members to post their negative opinions, far many more people would have been hurt.

As for Charis, I have nothing against her. People at my forum believe she is running a scam. Who am I to decide if they are right or she is right? There are no Threats to charis at Talkgold like that blogs says. If there ever are, they are removed immediately and members are banned, just like at the Pips folder.

In closing, Talkgold saved hundreds of people from investing into pips. Can you honestly say that Talkgold did a dis-service to the people who were turned away from Pips there?

Sincerely and God Bless you all
Brian

And may I add, that either Bryan or Charis could have easily had a lawyer send me a C & D order to remove post that they don't like. I would have then talked to my attorney and most likely removed them. But in order to do this the admins would have to prove the posts were not true. Neither have. I'm a fair individual, but for me to just start deleting posts because the admins of the programs don't like them would make little sense and basically eliminate the entire purpose of my forum (To discuss and determine which programs are legit and which are scams).

Once again, Can you honestly say that Talkgold did a dis-service to the people who were turned away from Pips there?

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Originally Posted by edbri871

....Talkgold saved hundreds of people from investing into pips. Can you honestly say that Talkgold did a dis-service to the people who were turned away from Pips there?

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Whether you "saved" anyone still remains to be seen. I'm sure you disagree with that, but it doesn't matter.

Point is. You don't know. You might feel certain but you don't know.

I'd say there is no way that question can be answered yet, Brian. The final chapter hasn't been written yet from what I can see.

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Originally Posted by edbri871

And may I add, that either Bryan or Charis could have easily had a lawyer send me a C & D order to remove post that they don't like. I would have then talked to my attorney and most likely removed them. But in order to do this the admins would have to prove the posts were not true. Neither have. I'm a fair individual, but for me to just start deleting posts because the admins of the programs don't like them would make little sense and basically eliminate the entire purpose of my forum (To discuss and determine which programs are legit and which are scams).

Once again, Can you honestly say that Talkgold did a dis-service to the people who were turned away from Pips there?

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Whether you "saved" anyone still remains to be seen. I'm sure you disagree with that, but it doesn't matter.

Point is. You don't know. You might feel certain but you don't know.

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I can't say I disagree with that. Although I never said "I" saved anyone. I just stated that the negative posts at my forum did not do a dis-service to anyone, in fact it saved a lot of people. Whether Pips returns or not(I have my opinions, you have yours), investing in Pips would have put people in a worse situation right now then if they did not invest. It's either:

A) They would have invested in Pips, and had their funds tied up for 14 months no with no relief in sight

or

B) Not invest in Pips. Have there money still, and if pips were to miraculously return they could always invest at a later date.

In closing, I feel that my forum has taken unneccesary critisism. Although I admit that some discusison got out of hand and personal attacks were thrown around (mods did their very best to remove any such attacks), Talkgold did much more a service to potential investors then harming them.

Brian

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Originally Posted by edbri871

I can't say I disagree with that. Although I never said "I" saved anyone. I just stated that the negative posts at my forum did not do a dis-service to anyone, in fact it saved a lot of people. Whether Pips returns or not(I have my opinions, you have yours), investing in Pips would have put people in a worse situation right now then if they did not invest. It's either:

A) They would have invested in Pips, and had their funds tied up for 14 months no with no relief in sight

or

B) Not invest in Pips. Have there money still, and if pips were to miraculously return they could always invest at a later date.

In closing, I feel that my forum has taken unneccesary critisism. Although I admit that some discusison got out of hand and personal attacks were thrown around (mods did their very best to remove any such attacks), Talkgold did much more a service to potential investors then harming them.

Brian

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Point well taken .In my opinion ,I wish I knew about talkgold in May of 05 when I put $3.5 grands in pips.I wish I could have the other side of the story that was witheld from me i.e late payments and withdrawals back up .
thanks Brian.
kalpota

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Originally Posted by edbri871

I can't say I disagree with that. Although I never said "I" saved anyone. I just stated that the negative posts at my forum did not do a dis-service to anyone, in fact it saved a lot of people. Whether Pips returns or not(I have my opinions, you have yours), investing in Pips would have put people in a worse situation right now then if they did not invest. It's either:

A) They would have invested in Pips, and had their funds tied up for 14 months no with no relief in sight

or

B) Not invest in Pips. Have there money still, and if pips were to miraculously return they could always invest at a later date.

In closing, I feel that my forum has taken unneccesary critisism. Although I admit that some discusison got out of hand and personal attacks were thrown around (mods did their very best to remove any such attacks), Talkgold did much more a service to potential investors then harming them.

Brian

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When I said "you", I meant you guys at that forum of yours. Including everyone that postet and the providers of the forum.

Fancy words do not hide a hypocrite. You give licence to the worse slander possible. Anonymous, and free from accusation, your members with your blessing attack all and sundry. It matters little to accuse and derive any programme, for the onus is with the owner to defend their position with little comfort of a fair hearing. You do more harm than good and save no one.
Your site is laudable in its gathering of misfits, no hopers and the illiterate who
rejoice in a common goal to inflict as much harm as possible to any unlucky sucker that crosses their path.
You should indeed be proud of such a school.
paddy

Paddy, thats your opinion and you have the right to say that but....


Can you honestly say that Talkgold did a dis-service to the people who were turned away from Pips there? Yes or no?

And it's not slander if it's true or if it's someone opinion. ;)

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Originally Posted by edbri871

Paddy, thats your opinion and you have the right to say that but....


Can you honestly say that Talkgold did a dis-service to the people who were turned away from Pips there? Yes or no?

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I know you are talking to Paddy but if you don't mind my interrupting again...
I'd say there is no way that question can be answered yet, Brian. The final chapter hasn't been written yet from what I can see.

wilder's got it right.

Fact is, you don't know and you didn't/don't care.

Brian, you are such a hypocrite. You are saying that your forum has saved a lot of people from joining PIPS. "Saved" because it's in your eyes a ponzi or scam while that still is not proven.
Saved from a so called scam or ponzi while your site is promoting nothing else but scams. Tell me how many people have been fooled and scammed because they joined a hyipp that was promoted on your forum ? Are those people also saved by your forum ?
Why are you not warning those people that they are joining a scam ? Verry simple, because you make money on it. Why are you promoting those hiyps ? You know verry well they are scams, once again, because you are making money out of it.
You are eating from both sites, you are promoting scams on your site and meanwhile you are saying your forum is saving people from being harmed by programs like PIPS.
You are running a forum that is a scam on it's own.

Get a life
jakvp

I don't think you understand how talkgold works. Any ad on talkgold also has a subsequent folder or thread created. Members then are able to discuss each program with one another and decide for themselves if the program is worth the risk. If they want to give their opinion that one of these programs is a scam, then they do so. It is impossible for us to know for a fact which advertisers are legit and which are not, therefore we open threads for each program and allow members to decide for themselves. Can the same be said for all the other hyip forums, including this one which have ads to the same hyips? No.

If you know of a better way of me protecting members then let me know. I'm always happy to consider alternate ways of doing things.

Sincerely
Brian

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Originally Posted by edbri871

I don't think you understand how talkgold works. Any ad on talkgold also has a subsequent folder or thread created. Members then are able to discuss each program with one another and decide for themselves if the program is worth the risk. If they want to give their opinion that one of these programs is a scam, then they do so. It is impossible for us to know for a fact which advertisers are legit and which are not, therefore we open threads for each program and allow members to decide for themselves. Can the same be said for all the other hyip forums, including this one which have ads to the same hyips? No.

If you know of a better way of me protecting members then let me know. I'm always happy to consider alternate ways of doing things.

Sincerely
Brian

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Oh Peelllleeaaase,
you know verry well that in the beginning when a program starts they are paying and the people in the forums are possitive about it. So a new program is advertised on your forum and a folder is dedicated to that program. Since they always pay in the beginning the talk in that folder is always possitive and so attracting new people to join. ONce they stop paying, the talk starts to be negative and then the big saviours appear. Some programs are still discussed months and even years after they disappeared and so your traffic to your forum is assured.
If you really want to help people then simply stop advertising all those hiyps on your site. You know verry well they are scams, don't be so hypocrite by pretending you don't know which advertisers are legit. Just look at their programs and you know enough.
And one more thing, I am not happy with the ads on this site either. But at least rolclub is not pretending they want to save us from all those cheeters. They know verry well we can take our own decission and know the concequences when it fales. It's easy to blame others, and that is what your forum is parasiting on.
Like I said before, your forum is one big scam.

jakvp

Brian

It is sickening the way you HIDE behind your members

"The Ox is slow but the earth is patient

"meaning"

All things come back to the sender and you are the owner and instigator of Talkgold



Greg

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Originally Posted by edbri871

Once again, Can you honestly say that Talkgold did a dis-service to the people who were turned away from Pips there?

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Well, quite possibly, yeah. As we don't yet know if it was a scam, you may actually have cost people thousands of dollars. If PIPS is labelled a scam by the Bank Negara investigation then well done, give yourself a pat on the back and feel all smug. If, on the other hand, the investigation comes out clean, and they are satisfied that it was on the level, then you have cost me, personally, tens of thousands of dollars in lost interest. IF PIPS is given the all-clear and is unable to continue as it was, due to what happened, then I will have lost even more. I will consider legal action against TG and some specific TG members if this happens.
But then, it may be found to be a scam and you would have been right all along; we simply don't know yet. It's a dangerous game you're playing.

Anyway, I lost all respect for TG after reading a post by some ***** there accusing Bryan of beating up Sharon. That kind of thing is not right.

Brian. Is it ok by you that in the event of 'your' members attacking a possible scammer that they do injury to an innocent/s? Is it ok, to destroy a new or weak but honest startup company in your members attempts to 'unearth' the 'big scammer'? No other hyip forum behaves in quite the negative way that your forum does....can you explain that?

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Originally Posted by edbri871

I don't think you understand how talkgold works. Any ad on talkgold also has a subsequent folder or thread created. Members then are able to discuss each program with one another and decide for themselves if the program is worth the risk. If they want to give their opinion that one of these programs is a scam, then they do so. It is impossible for us to know for a fact which advertisers are legit and which are not, therefore we open threads for each program and allow members to decide for themselves. Can the same be said for all the other hyip forums, including this one which have ads to the same hyips? No.

If you know of a better way of me protecting members then let me know. I'm always happy to consider alternate ways of doing things.

Sincerely
Brian

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Oh............I understand how tg works. If you actually speak your opinion that differs from the normal "doglike tg'ers", you get banned. I've been banned three times. If you kick back information to the tg posters like they attack Byran, you get banned. Don't try to say there is freedom of speech on tg.

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Oh............I understand how tg works. If you actually speak your opinion that differs from the normal "doglike tg'ers", you get banned. I've been banned three times. If you kick back information to the tg posters like they attack Byran, you get banned. Don't try to say there is freedom of speech on tg.

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Not one person was ever banned for their opinion. We only ban people for spmaming and for persoanl attacks and language, unlike this place! Give me your username and I will show you why you were banned.

As for the Ads, do you recommend I remove the goolge and yahoo ads that have scams in them as well? When did I ever state that I wanted to save people from scams? My goal is to run an open environment so that members and discuss and then decide for themselves where to invest. What is worse? Having ads and allowing people to call the programs scams if they wish, or like this forum does, having ads and banning people who call any program a scam? You tell me what is more unethical.

Sincerely
Brian

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Originally Posted by edbri871

Not one person was ever banned for their opinion. We only ban people for spmaming and for persoanl attacks and language, unlike this place! Give me your username and I will show you why you were banned.

As for the Ads, do you recommend I remove the goolge and yahoo ads that have scams in them as well? When did I ever state that I wanted to save people from scams? My goal is to run an open environment so that members and discuss and then decide for themselves where to invest. What is worse? Having ads and allowing people to call the programs scams if they wish, or like this forum does, having ads and banning people who call any program a scam? You tell me what is more unethical.

Sincerely
Brian

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That's not true, and you know it.............

Brian, You Are Sick!!!

Should ABC News also be held responsible for allowing a BBB employee to call 12dp a ponzi and say that Charis lives in a poor area of NC?

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Originally Posted by edbri871

Should ABC News also be held responsible for allowing a BBB employee to call 12dp a ponzi and say that Charis lives in a poor area of NC?

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I don't know, I don't watch TV. It's just to silly to me.

TV news reports are not a good basis to go on....they don't properly investigate anything they report anymore than the big newspapers do now a days!

And what does coming from a poor neighborhood in NC have to do with anything?

jjm

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Originally Posted by edbri871

I don't think you understand how talkgold works. Any ad on talkgold also has a subsequent folder or thread created. Members then are able to discuss each program with one another and decide for themselves if the program is worth the risk. If they want to give their opinion that one of these programs is a scam, then they do so. It is impossible for us to know for a fact which advertisers are legit and which are not, therefore we open threads for each program and allow members to decide for themselves. Can the same be said for all the other hyip forums, including this one which have ads to the same hyips? No.

If you know of a better way of me protecting members then let me know. I'm always happy to consider alternate ways of doing things.

Sincerely
Brian

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Brian I thing you are wrong.Some Hyip forums actually check
new programs.But you just put any crap on YOUR SITE if they pay!!
But you need money I can't blame you just Don't pretend how nice you ARE.
This is Business For You and you WILL Publish any CRAP IF You get
Paid IN FRONT.
Brian You do nice job but Remember some people will call you as...l
But don't take that personally they don't know your backround.
I hope your Mum still loves You?!?!

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Brian I thing you are wrong.Some Hyip forums actually check
new programs

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Which forums?

And how do you expect me to determine which programs are legitimate and which are not? Would you have considered Pips legitimate? How about 12dailypro?

If you can't determine it, maybe you should stop passing judgment.

But I guess that doesn't make sense to you. lol

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Originally Posted by edbri871

In closing, I feel that my forum has taken unneccesary critisism. Although I admit that some discusison got out of hand and personal attacks were thrown around (mods did their very best to remove any such attacks), Talkgold did much more a service to potential investors then harming them.

Brian

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I find it interesting how you speak here, in the 'past tense' ....
are you saying that personal attacks were thrown around.... meaning they no longer are? and that TG did much more service.... and isn't any longer? not a little slip up.... the whole post is written in past tense...

I stopped in for a TG visit for the first time ever, earlier this week... I was surprised that there were even a couple of poster that were .... well.... minding their manners.... in a sea of sludge.

I think your forum does do a service for people, by giving the naysayers a place to congregate.... if you can only keep the many, many, nasty posters you have, there.... so they leave us alone.... I know, I for one, would be very thankful.

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As for the Ads, do you recommend I remove the goolge and yahoo ads that have scams in them as well? When did I ever state that I wanted to save people from scams? My goal is to run an open environment so that members and discuss and then decide for themselves where to invest. What is worse? Having ads and allowing people to call the programs scams if they wish, or like this forum does, having ads and banning people who call any program a scam? You tell me what is more unethical.

Sincerely
Brian

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It's verry simple Brian, if you can not determine if they are legit then don't advertise them. You know verry well that 99% of them are scams, but like I said before you are making money out of them both ways.
If I have a foodstore and I am not sure if a product is out of date or not, I am not going to sell that anymore while there are people, like you, who are going to sell it of course.
And it is not because there are google- and yahoo ads that are promoting scams that you have to follow their example and yes you should remove them to.
"Hey that guy has stolen money from that bank so I can do that to." that is your mentallity.

And again, I don't like the ads in this forum either.

Some people are banned from this forum because they have only one goal and that is to stir up people against PIPS, they want them to take action while that is only causing more problems and delays. We can only wait the outcome of the investigation. People who are coming inhere with the wildest accusations and troublemakers are banned, that's normal procedure. That is also in your forum.
You know verry well there are a lot of troublemakers at TG, they do everything they can to cause trouble and to put PIPS in bad light.
For you and your people at TG PIPS is a scam while that has still not been proven.

You are a parrasite of the worst kind, one who is hiding behind other parrasites and letting them do the durty work for you while you are pretending to be a descend and honest person. One day you are going to get wath you deserve.

I have wasted enough time on you,

jakvp

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Well, quite possibly, yeah. As we don't yet know if it was a scam, you may actually have cost people thousands of dollars. If PIPS is labelled a scam by the Bank Negara investigation then well done, give yourself a pat on the back and feel all smug. If, on the other hand, the investigation comes out clean, and they are satisfied that it was on the level, then you have cost me, personally, tens of thousands of dollars in lost interest. IF PIPS is given the all-clear and is unable to continue as it was, due to what happened, then I will have lost even more. I will consider legal action against TG and some specific TG members if this happens.
But then, it may be found to be a scam and you would have been right all along; we simply don't know yet. It's a dangerous game you're playing.

Anyway, I lost all respect for TG after reading a post by some ***** there accusing Bryan of beating up Sharon. That kind of thing is not right.

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I would like to read your reply to this quote Brian !

Brian,

Very simple, even you can understand.

There is good and there is evil in this world! Your TG forum is pure evil! I find it sad that you cannot/will not see it. I believe your soul is as cold and black as the night. There is an evilness about you!

May GOD bless you.

jimmy