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    Quote Originally Posted by CampVictory View Post
    IRAQ is not a really small place. I am currently in Baghdad and it has been quiet as a mouse for over a month. I see on the news reports just as you guys do about car bombs and suicide bombers but trust me when I tell you that all is NOT lost. Sorry I agree with Mike when I say that that article appears to be garbage. If you think that things will "calm" down if the US leaves you really have no idea as to what you are saying, or you are just not thinking clearly. The surge IS doing what is was intended to do.

    We may be lost but, we are making good time!!
    Now if only this Iraqi Government would do what IT IS SUPPOSED TO DO instead of take month long vacations at such a HISTORICAL TIME in their history....if the surge is indeed doing what it is supposed to do isn't it about time that this Government do what IT IS SUPPOSED TO DO?you can lead a horse to water but if he don't want to drink he won't....time for this Government to start drinking some of the water....or get out of the kitchen....IMHO...Pat

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    Quote Originally Posted by CampVictory View Post
    IRAQ is not a really small place. I am currently in Baghdad and it has been quiet as a mouse for over a month. I see on the news reports just as you guys do about car bombs and suicide bombers but trust me when I tell you that all is NOT lost. Sorry I agree with Mike when I say that that article appears to be garbage. If you think that things will "calm" down if the US leaves you really have no idea as to what you are saying, or you are just not thinking clearly. The surge IS doing what is was intended to do.

    We may be lost but, we are making good time!!
    So being there you assume the reports of car bombs and 30 dead per day is hype?

    Contradiction (in your post), please look it up and not make service people seem so doltish.

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    Public Affairs Counselor Philip Reeker Takes Part in Asian Cup Victory Ceremony in Baghdad
    Baghdad, Iraq
    August 4, 2007


    Public Affairs Counselor Philip Reeker poses with members of the Iraqi national soccer team. (U.S. Embassy Baghdad)

    On August 4, Public Affairs Counselor Philip Reeker attended an official ceremony for the victorious Iraqi national soccer team organized by the Iraqi Ministry for Youth and Sports in Baghdad's Al-Rasheed Hotel.

    In addition to congratulating the Minister for Youth and Sports, Mr. Jasim Muhammad Ja'far, and other Iraqi sports dignitaries on the team's victory in the Asian Cup, Mr. Reeker emphasized the importance of this historic event for the Iraqi people and expressed hope that it will encourage them to persevere in working for a prosperous and united Iraq. Mr. Reeker also talked to some of the players, whom he praised for their superb performance and exemplary team spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inscrutable View Post
    So being there you assume the reports of car bombs and 30 dead per day is hype?

    Contradiction (in your post), please look it up and not make service people seem so doltish.
    Inscrutable do you see the word "HYPE" anywhere in my post? I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth.

    I suppose if your searching for contradictions you can find them in my post. Baghdad is not a really small place. I realize there have been some acts of terrorism and I don't doubt that this will continue for some time. I do however think that things have quieted down considerably. I obviously don't hear every single mortor round, car bomb, IED etc. that goes off in IRAQ but where I am has been quiet as a mouse.

    I hope this clarifies to you what I was trying to point out. If not ask away as I have all night.

    Who are these service people you claim I make seem "doltish"?

    doltish - heavy and dull and stupid

    I would like to take this opportunity to aploligize to these service people at this time as that was certainly not my intention.

    Also a BIG thanks to Inscrutable for the addition of the word "doltish" to my obviously poor vocabulary.

    May you all have a blessed day........CV
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    Camp Victory,
    I know I speak for many American's in saying thank-you to you and your fellow service members for your service to our country. Keep your eyes open and your head down and thanks for offering insights some of us are not able to offer.

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    I wasn't putting words in your mouth, sorry if it taste that way. It was my way of asking if you feel it's media "hype".

    So being there you assume the reports of car bombs and 30 dead per day is hype?<--- Question.

    I hear Camp Victory is the Club Med of Iraq so it's no wonder it's quiet, that is of course if that is your base.

    Quote Originally Posted by CampVictory View Post
    Inscrutable do you see the word "HYPE" anywhere in my post? I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth.

    I suppose if your searching for contradictions you can find them in my post. Baghdad is not a really small place. I realize there have been some acts of terrorism and I don't doubt that this will continue for some time. I do however think that things have quieted down considerably. I obviously don't hear every single mortor round, car bomb, IED etc. that goes off in IRAQ but where I am has been quiet as a mouse.

    I hope this clarifies to you what I was trying to point out. If not ask away as I have all night.

    Who are these service people you claim I make seem "doltish"?

    doltish - heavy and dull and stupid

    I would like to take this opportunity to aploligize to these service people at this time as that was certainly not my intention.

    Also a BIG thanks to Inscrutable for the addition of the word "doltish" to my obviously poor vocabulary.

    May you all have a blessed day........CV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inscrutable View Post
    I wasn't putting words in your mouth, sorry if it taste that way. It was my way of asking if you feel it's media "hype".

    So being there you assume the reports of car bombs and 30 dead per day is hype?<--- Question.

    I hear Camp Victory is the Club Med of Iraq so it's no wonder it's quiet, that is of course if that is your base.

    AnyDay thanks for the kind words. I am a VET these days, but I still appreciate it.

    Inscrutable you hear this is like "Club Med" do ya?

    I personally don't have a lot of "Club Med" experience but if that is truly the case I doubt they will be in business much longer.

    I am not sure what your asking by saying, "that is of course if that is your base".

    So if you have a particular question feel free to respond with a more definative question.
    Last edited by CampVictory; 07-08-2007 at 07:07 PM. Reason: because I am definately "DOLTISH"
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    Are you based in CV?


    Life at Iraq's Camp Victory

    CAMP VICTORY, Iraq - Referees whistle fouls during the opening game of a night basketball league. Soldiers mill about fast food joints, waiting for Pizza Hut to call their orders over the blare of pop music. A soldier and an Asian worker chat in the shadow of a blast wall.

    Explosions periodically rumble in the distance.

    Here at Camp Victory, which some soldiers jokingly refer to as "Campus Victory," the war seems farther away than the distant blasts - even though the sprawling base near Baghdad International Airport is the headquarters for the U.S. military in Iraq.

    Elsewhere in Iraq, many of the 130,000 American troops live in spartan conditions and exchange fire almost daily with insurgents. Hundreds of Marines in outposts along the Syrian border go weeks without showers or hot meals.

    But at Camp Victory, a complex of caramel-colored stone palaces near Baghdad International Airport, top U.S. and coalition commanders now enjoy an array of modern conveniences and amenities.

    U.S. troops now search for their SUVs in packed parking lots where Saddam Hussein once strolled. Soldiers in a clear blue pool play water volleyball. Manicures are available at a beauty parlor and contractors stroll home with their dry-cleaning in tow.


    The pool and palaces were inherited from Baath Party strongmen, but many of the comforts came in the caravan of amenities that trails the modern American military. Better living conditions are part of efforts to retain soldiers who've recently spent more time beside their fellow troops than their wives or children. The efforts are appreciated by some.

    "Camp Victory is the place where dreams are made," said Spc. Paul Gober, an Illinois National Guardsman from Chicago, shortly before he went for a swim.

    At Camp Victory's pool, dozens sunbathed or swam, paying no attention to the distant blasts.

    "Taking a swim. Surfing the Internet. And I'm getting paid for this?" said one soldier as he toweled himself off.


    Life is far different in most of the dozens of U.S. bases across Iraq, many of which are dusty stretches of drab blast walls, dirt barriers and white trailers. Outside the city of Samarra, soldiers live beside an abandoned granary crawling with rodents.

    To some infantrymen patrolling hot and dangerous streets across Iraq, the contrast in living conditions doesn't go unnoticed. Troops on isolated bases often ask visiting contractors or reporters if the stories about the U.S. Embassy complex in Baghdad or the Balad air base, known for its Olympic-size swimming pool and cinema, are true. Some stories are.

    "There's some humble as hell living out here, some of these soldiers out there in the field," said Spc. Matt King of Charlotte, N.C., as he ate on a picnic bench outside a Pizza Hut branch located in a trailer. Workers said about 500 pizzas are served daily at Camp Victory. About 400 customers visit the Subway sandwich shop next door every day.

    The appearance of large, well-equipped bases is partly due to a strategy that calls for Iraqi troops to take on more of the fighting while the Americans draw back in reserve. Large bases have been built outside Tikrit and Mosul as the Americans lower their profile in those areas.

    Some U.S. officers acknowledge that troops based in comfort will find excuses to go on missions. For example, one Marine commander near the western city of Rutbah decided to limit comforts, allowing an Internet cafe but opting to keep his dining hall in the hands of Marine cooks instead of contractors.

    "The thing I worry about Camp Victory and these large (bases) is that it decreases our effectiveness because it reduces our exposure to the enemy," said Spc. Steven L. Listwan, a guardsman from Addison, Ill. "There's a lot of people who are not going out of Victory day to day."

    At Forward Operating Base Falcon, where soldiers live in an abandoned auto factory in one of Baghdad's most dangerous areas, soldiers gripe about living conditions - while some admit they prefer hard living.

    "Compared to Victory, (Falcon) looks like squalor," said 1st Lt. Brian Murphy of Eastchester, N.Y. "But I'd live miserable. Comfortable reminds me of home. But it's nice to go to Burger King every once and awhile."

    Sound Off...What do you think? Join the discussion.


    Quote Originally Posted by CampVictory View Post
    AnyDay thanks for the kind words. I am a VET these days, but I still appreciate it.

    Inscrutable you hear this is like "Club Med" do ya?

    I personally don't have a lot of "Club Med" experience but if that is truly the case I doubt they will be in business much longer.

    I am not sure what your asking by saying, "that is of course if that is your base".

    So if you have a particular question feel free to respond with a more definative question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inscrutable View Post
    Are you based in CV?


    Life at Iraq's Camp Victory

    CAMP VICTORY, Iraq - Referees whistle fouls during the opening game of a night basketball league. Soldiers mill about fast food joints, waiting for Pizza Hut to call their orders over the blare of pop music. A soldier and an Asian worker chat in the shadow of a blast wall.

    Explosions periodically rumble in the distance.

    Here at Camp Victory, which some soldiers jokingly refer to as "Campus Victory," the war seems farther away than the distant blasts - even though the sprawling base near Baghdad International Airport is the headquarters for the U.S. military in Iraq.

    Elsewhere in Iraq, many of the 130,000 American troops live in spartan conditions and exchange fire almost daily with insurgents. Hundreds of Marines in outposts along the Syrian border go weeks without showers or hot meals.

    But at Camp Victory, a complex of caramel-colored stone palaces near Baghdad International Airport, top U.S. and coalition commanders now enjoy an array of modern conveniences and amenities.

    U.S. troops now search for their SUVs in packed parking lots where Saddam Hussein once strolled. Soldiers in a clear blue pool play water volleyball. Manicures are available at a beauty parlor and contractors stroll home with their dry-cleaning in tow.

    The pool and palaces were inherited from Baath Party strongmen, but many of the comforts came in the caravan of amenities that trails the modern American military. Better living conditions are part of efforts to retain soldiers who've recently spent more time beside their fellow troops than their wives or children. The efforts are appreciated by some.

    "Camp Victory is the place where dreams are made," said Spc. Paul Gober, an Illinois National Guardsman from Chicago, shortly before he went for a swim.

    At Camp Victory's pool, dozens sunbathed or swam, paying no attention to the distant blasts.

    "Taking a swim. Surfing the Internet. And I'm getting paid for this?" said one soldier as he toweled himself off.

    Life is far different in most of the dozens of U.S. bases across Iraq, many of which are dusty stretches of drab blast walls, dirt barriers and white trailers. Outside the city of Samarra, soldiers live beside an abandoned granary crawling with rodents.

    To some infantrymen patrolling hot and dangerous streets across Iraq, the contrast in living conditions doesn't go unnoticed. Troops on isolated bases often ask visiting contractors or reporters if the stories about the U.S. Embassy complex in Baghdad or the Balad air base, known for its Olympic-size swimming pool and cinema, are true. Some stories are.

    "There's some humble as hell living out here, some of these soldiers out there in the field," said Spc. Matt King of Charlotte, N.C., as he ate on a picnic bench outside a Pizza Hut branch located in a trailer. Workers said about 500 pizzas are served daily at Camp Victory. About 400 customers visit the Subway sandwich shop next door every day.

    The appearance of large, well-equipped bases is partly due to a strategy that calls for Iraqi troops to take on more of the fighting while the Americans draw back in reserve. Large bases have been built outside Tikrit and Mosul as the Americans lower their profile in those areas.

    Some U.S. officers acknowledge that troops based in comfort will find excuses to go on missions. For example, one Marine commander near the western city of Rutbah decided to limit comforts, allowing an Internet cafe but opting to keep his dining hall in the hands of Marine cooks instead of contractors.

    "The thing I worry about Camp Victory and these large (bases) is that it decreases our effectiveness because it reduces our exposure to the enemy," said Spc. Steven L. Listwan, a guardsman from Addison, Ill. "There's a lot of people who are not going out of Victory day to day."

    At Forward Operating Base Falcon, where soldiers live in an abandoned auto factory in one of Baghdad's most dangerous areas, soldiers gripe about living conditions - while some admit they prefer hard living.

    "Compared to Victory, (Falcon) looks like squalor," said 1st Lt. Brian Murphy of Eastchester, N.Y. "But I'd live miserable. Comfortable reminds me of home. But it's nice to go to Burger King every once and awhile."

    Sound Off...What do you think? Join the discussion.

    Camp Victory is in Baghdad. Doesn't my name and my posts give the impression that I am based at Camp Victory? Do you really need me to spell it out for you. If I didn't know better I would say you may be a bit doltish.

    I am sure there are all sorts of amenities that one can enjoy on days off HERE AT CAMP VICTORY. I work 7/12 but that's not my point here. Would you be more content if there wasn't anything here for soldiers to do on their days off? Would you rather they stay on convoys and guard duty all day every day?

    I am also pretty sure that there have been a number of personnel killed in previous months here in Baghdad. Since your so efficient at finding articles why don't you research those killed in Baghdad for a while and post those?

    By the way you never explained as to what service folks I was making appear "doltish"?

    I am not here to argue with you sir. Have a great day!
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    Doltish? Obviously I was referring to you as you post claiming to be a service man in Iraq. Check your PM.

    Quote Originally Posted by CampVictory View Post
    [SIZE=3]By the way you never explained as to what service folks I was making appear "doltish"?

    I am not here to argue with you sir. Have a great day!
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