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    Quote Originally Posted by aeara
    sounds like you've been reading what i have. do you go further out? the big picture that is... like who might influence the Illuminati? do you have anything on the tavistock (sp?) institute? they are supposedly behind much of today's social engineering.

    that's the freaky thing tho. the control of money is just a tiny aspect of a more global...quarantine from higher frequencies/potentials of the multiverse, so to speak. many of our traditional scientific paradigms are outright wrong - but still employed. enforced rather.

    but there is the probablity that the various groups labeled as king pins so to speak is disinfo as well. ie., scapegoats/distraction.

    but unless there are et's, none of this may matter.... if mother earth has a Real tissy fit... from what i hear, thousands of scientists think this is what's going to happen. that it's too late for new technologies etc. one incredibly serious on going event (which i've Yet to hear in mainstream) is out in the gulf stream. that is, it is disappearing! when and if that passes a certain degree it's going to be a different ball game for all of us.
    nature finding balance can be a boon or bane.

    what have you read about implants? and i don't mean these veri-chips.
    NB Much of this is drawn from various sources - no-point re-inventing the wheel. There is so much so I just glance on some things. It is easier to select a small topic then research it. Sory its a bit disjointed.

    The organisations that are spawned by the Illuminati use every possible means to achieve their end, including the use of occult practices; and while many will say that the use of occult practices is not necessarily wrong, they will undoubtedly know that the practices have a good side and a dark side. It is with the dark side that the Illuminati associates itself to achieve it's goals. The Illuminati start wars to increase their wealth and power and to control, reshape and brutalize society. For example the "War on Terror" is ingeniously designed to make us WILLINGLY forfeit our civil rights and engage in yet another unnecessary war, this time against Islam. (The 2 World wars were Illuminati controlled. Winston Churchill was an Illuminati member. The sign of satan adopted by many as one of rebellion, and used (probably unwittingly especially in the field of music - esp rock) is the "sign of satan" and used essentially by illumanists.



    Who do we see using this sign that is on the dollar bill



    Here are a few






    Of course a sign such as this doesn't really mean much, it'd become so widespread - (research it's origin and understand it).

    The Illuminati seeks a world order pretending to represent the common man, an elite that has penetrated every aspect of society from the arts to politics and law while shaping public opinion with more subtlety than the average citizen is able to detect.

    While Illuminati is presumed to have been dispersed, some believe that Illuminati members have chosen to conceal themselves and their plans within the cloak of Freemasonry, where they continue to thrive maintaining a stranglehold on politics, financial and social administration and have influence in the global business.Population control as well as control of population is on the agenda - research: The history of Biological Warfare; The use of fluoride and the lies we are told about it; The Tuskegee Study; The Pellagra Incident; The Negro project; Project MKULTRA; Hong Kong flu; Aids; Bird flu.......

    The house of Rothschild and Rockefeller is evident in much of world situations. Many divisions and battles between religious elements in the world have been encouraged and supported by the Rothchild wealth. Unfortunately, many have been fooled into thinking that being devout and faithful to God is the source of religious fighting. In some areas of the world, Moslems, Christians, and others have gotten along fine for centuries. Religious tensions do spring to some degree from within the religions themselves, but the fuel to keep those fires burning and to light up conflicts often come from the Power’s wealth. An obvious example is the Iran-Iraq war.

    According to eye-witnesses, who were prominent enough to visit one of the British Rothschild homes, the Rothschild's worship yet another god too, Satan. They set a place for him at their table.(Mohr, Gordon. The Hidden Power Behind Freemasonry. Burnsville, MN: Weisman Pub., 1990, p. 154.) The Rothschild's have been Satanists for many generations. The Rothschild's are an important part of the history of the Seal of Solomon (also known as hexagram, Magen David, six-pointed star, Star of David.) The Seal of Solomon, the hexagram, was not considered a Jewish symbol before the Rothschild's began using it.

    The Rothschild's also wielded much influence and power not only in Secret Societies, but also in Christendom’s churches. The Salvation Army under the suggestion of the Rothschild's adopted the Red Shield (Roth-red Schild-shield) for their logo. One history of the Rothschild's remarks, "The Rothschild's had rapidly propelled themselves into a position of immense financial power and political influence. They were an independent force in the life of Europe, accountable to no one and, to a large extent, reliant on no one. Popular lampoons depicted them as the real rulers of Christendom..." Some of the Rothschild's have been involved in the campaign to loosen public morals. The first executive Secretary of the National Student Forum was John Rothschild. This National Student Forum changed its name like articles of clothing. Speaking about clothing, one of
    the aims of this Socialist group was to promote public nudity, and free love. This organization had the following constituent groups Radcliffe Liberal Club, Union Theological Seminary Contemporary Club, Yale Liberal Club" to name just a few. A further development of this was the Youth Peace Federation which consisted of the League of Youth of Community Church, Methodist Epworth League, NY District, Young Judea, and Young People’s Fellowship of St. Phillip’s Parish to name a few. American religious men have ties to the Rothschild's especially through their various agents.

    Early in the 19th century the Pope came to the Rothschild's to borrow money. The Rothschild's were very friendly with the Pope. The Rothschild's in fact over time were entrusted with the bulk of the Vatican’s wealth. The Jewish Ency., Vol. 2, p.497 states, ,,It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschild's that at the present time (1905) the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure." Researcher Eustice Mullins writes that the Rothschild's took over all the financial operations of the worldwide Catholic Church in 1823. Today the large banking and financial business of the Catholic Church is an extensive system interlocked with the Rothschild's and the rest of the International Banking system.

    The great wealth of the Russian Czars was entrusted to the Rothschild's, $35 million with the Rothschild’s Bank of England, and $80 million in the Rothschild’s Paris bank.

    The Rothschild's financed the Russian Revolution which confiscated vast portions of the Orthodox Church’s wealth. They have been able to prevent (due to their power) the legitimate heirs of the Czars fortune to withdraw a penny of the millions deposited in a variety of their banks. The Mountbattans, who are related to the Rothschild's, led the court battles to prevent the claimants from withdrawing any of the fortune. In other words, the money they invested in the Russian Revolution, was not only paid back directly by the Bolshevists in millions of dollar of gold, but by grabbing the huge deposits of the Czars’ wealth, the Rothschild's gained what is now worth over $50 Billions.

    The very heart of Hitler's war machine was the chemical giant, I.G. Farben, which had an American arm that was controlled by the Rothschild's through their lackeys, the Warburgs. Paul Warburg, who manipulated into existence the privately-owned "central bank" of America, the Federal Reserve, in 1913, was on the board of American I.G. The Rothschild's also owned the German news agencies during both World Wars and thus controlled the flow of "information" to Germans and the outside world. Incidentally, when Allied troops entered Germany they found that the I.G. Farben factories, the very core of Hitler's war operation, had not been hit by the mass bombing and neither had Ford factories - another Illuminati supporter of Hitler. Other factories nearby had been demolished by bombing raids. The force behind Adolf Hitler, on behalf of the Illuminati, was the House of Rothschild, this "Jewish" bloodline which claims to support and protect the Jewish faith and people. When in fact they use and sickeningly abuse the Jewish people for their own horrific ends.

    The Rothschild's, like the Illuminati in general, treat the mass of the Jewish people with utter contempt. They are, like the rest of the global population, just cattle to be used to advance the agenda of global control and mastery by a network of interbreeding bloodlines, impregnated with a reptilian genetic code, and known to researchers as the Illuminati.
    the Illuminati are so utterly obsessed with bloodline, because of this reptilian genetic code, that there was no way that someone like Hitler would come to power in those vital circumstances for the Illuminati, unless he was of the reptilian bloodline. Bloodlines for research:- The Astor Bloodline; The Bundy Bloodline; The Collins Bloodline; The DuPont Bloodline; The Freeman Bloodline; The Kennedy Bloodline; The Li Bloodline; The Onassis Bloodline; The Reynolds Bloodline; The Rockefeller Bloodline; The Rothschild Bloodline; The Russell Bloodline; The Van Duyn Bloodline; Merovingian (European Royalty); The Disney Bloodline; The Krupp's Bloodline; The McDonald Bloodline Research the Bush Bloodline and you can see why such a moron can achieve such power.

    Here are more people that should be researched to clarify what they are really up to. George Bush Senior; George Bush Junior; Bill and Hillary Clinton; Al Gore; Ted Kennedy; Henry Kissinger; Mikail Gorbachev;Dick Cheney; Lt Col Michael Aquino () Kris Kristopherson; Bob Hope; Billy Graham; The British Royal Family; Winston Churchill; Franklin Delano Roosevelt; Edward Heath; Tony Blair; William Whitelaw; Lord McAlpine; Mohammed Al Fayed. (Many of whom seem to have satanic connections - advance google in this manner - in the "with all the words field" put "satanist" or if you use more than one word like "mind control" put it in quotes - then in the field with "exact phrase" put the name of the person you wish to research "Edward Heath" Of course you cannot believe all you read - however you have to be aware that, where there is smoke, there is fire. Now please don't accuse me of being obsessed with satanists, I am not - I am interested in the research, and the exposure of truth - this is WHY I don't really want to do the research for anyone, but for people to do their own research. I would really like to believe that all the afore mentioned people are good people, but I think in the search for truth there are things exposed that some would rather not exposed. I am sure if someone did their research on me, they would find some things I would rather not have exposed; I will say for certain, there ARE some things that I would rather not be exposed (I am no child molester or killer - you won't find that).

    Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, Lyndon B. Johnson as users for mind control.

    Like the Illuminati, the Tavistock Institute has many offspring organisations, it was originally formed to determine how much pain a human can bear from shell shock, for war studies. A building was donated by the Duke of Bedford also called the Earl of Tavistock. (Current Duke of Bedford's home is Woburn UK where the famous wildlife park is). Research shows occult practice linked with the family. Tavistock Institute developed the mass brain-washing techniques which were first used experimentally on American prisoners of war in Korea. Its experiments in crowd control methods have been widely used on the American public, a surreptitious but nevertheless outrageous assault on human freedom by modifying individual behavior through topical psychology. It has much to answer for and is while much is hidden. Tavistock Institute originated the mass civilian bombing raids carried out by Roosevelt and Churchill purely as a clinical experiment in mass terror, keeping records of the results as they watched the "guinea pigs" reacting under "controlled laboratory conditions". Tavistock Institute has developed such power in the U.S. that no one achieves prominence in any field unless he has been trained in behavioral science at Tavistock or one of its subsidiaries.

    One of the key agencies as a conduit for secret instructions from Tavistock is the Ditchley Foundation, founded in 1957. The American branch of the Ditchley Foundation is run by Cyrus Vance, former Secretary of State, and director of the Rockefeller Foundation, and Winston Lord, president of the Council on Foreign Relations. One of the principal but little known operations of the Rockefeller Foundation has been its techniques for controlling world agriculture. Its director, Kenneth Wernimont, set up Rockefeller controlled agricultural programs throughout Mexico and Latin America. The independent farmer is a great threat to the World Order, because he produces for himself, and because his produce can be converted into capital, which gives him independence.

    Skull and Bones
    Also seen by many as being a harmless university (yale) club. This club helps its members to political greatness. ALL the male Bush family from Prescott Bush (A Nazi party funder and supporter) George Bush Senior, and GB Junior are all members of "The Tomb" the building in Yale University where members meet and hold their ceremonies. It is said to contain nazi artifacts.

    Mind Control
    http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...trol_index.htm

    Research will give you more insight.

    Freemasonry is blamed for being associated with much of this. And I believe that SOME freemason ARE actively involved. Many lower degree freemasons believe they are part of a good institution, that works for the betterment of mankind. While much of this organisation is secret to the likes of you and me, I am led to believe that MOST freemasons are good and sincere people. (One of my best friends is one [but that doesn't make it right]) I would not touch Freemasonry with someone else's barge pole, let alone mine. I believe the lower degrees of freemasons are lied to by the higher degrees, and this (according to certain documentation I can't lay my hands on at the moment) is on purpose. The higher degrees have an agenda.

    There is so much more - this is just the start - sorry I got deviated allot on route.
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    [QUOTE=denim]
    Here are a few






    Of course a sign such as this doesn't really mean much, it'd become so widespread - (research it's origin and understand it).


    Denim, you're wrong!

    Those sign mean I love you in Sign Language!

    I know bec I use American Sign Language fluently!

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger05
    Denim, you're wrong!

    Those sign mean I love you in Sign Language!

    I know bec I use American Sign Language fluently!

    Badger05
    You sound so absolute. How about presenting an argument, you might sway me. That really isn't terrific logic is it? You need to present your case, you could say:-

    _\m/ is not the "devil symbol" Not when the thumb is out, that is the "love" symbol - and present some proof.

    \m/ is believed to be the "devil symbol" and present some proof

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    See this
    The Texas Longhorn symbol is represented by the image on the right. (Also when placed between ear and mouth gives the idea of telephone). The first image Represents the horned god used in witchcraft. Pan or Cernunnos. Note the thumb under the fingers and given by the right hand. The middle image is a sign of recognition between those in the Occult. When pointed at someone it is meant to place a curse. Note the thumb over the fingers and given by the left hand. NB This information is freely available and researchable.

    Do a google image search for symbols of the devil and symbols of love on the lines that you suggest and see how may come up.

    So - what is going on here - All the Bush clan saying how much they love us?

    And here he uses a different one - maybe compare to diagrams above.
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    hiya. had to stop reading as it sounds like they are shooting from the sensationalist hip.

    that hand sign is totally innocuous. it's the sign of the horned owl. that is, wisdom. anything else is from fundamentalist christian demonizing (slander) and or authors trying to sell books (to the former).

    they may be somewhat correct in the general sense of power seeking/control/manipulation. but all this talk of hexagrams, satan etc. is erroneous. i feel qulified to state this as i've been a student of the western mystery tradition for years. to, i was a born again for 8. so i've researched/experienced both sides.
    these writers don't bother to do their homework when it comes to symbology. comparative symbology...

    and the bottom line to that is that most of the archaic religious symbolism of pagan cultures were either coopted or turned into their opposites by the church. as a prime example we've 666. everyone knows about this. but if you do your homework you'll find that that was once a sacred number (feminine/forming energy).
    the hexagram was/is a sacred glyph - just as the pentagram.
    ...if these are sinister, then all of Plato's geometircal Solids are as well imo!!
    they are glyphs representing primal (or god's) states/forces. not to mention man himself. Most esoteric symbols have muliple levels of meaning. so fundamentalists etc. are making fools of themselves again.

    now i am not saying there isn't any dark force out there. but the (Correct translation of) bible's original take on satan is Not what we have today. what we have today is a direct result of theo-political priestcraft. and IT has made quite a hell.

    for those who are serious a good place to look is the earliest creation myths.
    you'll find (and it may piss you off) that it's these old myths that were Reshaped...for theo-politcal ends.

    anyway, pent is 5 and hex is 6. the Elements are attributed to the pentagram. and the Traditional planets are attributed to the hexagram (the hex goes way back to india). while at the same time the two triangles of the hexagram represent fire and water - harmonized.
    all of this meaning the balancing of mind/body-soul/spirit-spirit/matter etc.
    see what i mean? and NONE of it indicates some sinister dark force opposed to everything else. it's All a matter of Balance (just like um, Geometry). now tell me, what groups are the most out of balance!!!? what an irony.

    btw, Spock of star trek got his hand sign from an old jewish observance.
    and... the hexagram Was part of Ancient jewish esoterica. it just did'nt have any geopolitical/cultural connotations. there was a network of groups into sacred geometry which included the pythagorean school of thought. notice all those temples were based on sacred geometry. and if not "sacred", certainly balanced in every aspect. and That is what's important in every human life. it's so simple and beatuful. but no we gotta have these muck rakers. but that goes back to the whole point does'nt it!?
    all this (we have today) is a debased manipulation to divide, conquer and control.

    what we need is a world holiday.

    oh, i've a pic of Bush flipping the bird.

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    Denim, great post and your information is so correct. The information is out there if people would just take the time to research it in stead of just spouting off from the mouth but then again you have to remember where you are? Lo
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    Aeara,

    I was slightly sceptical regarding this as well, so I decided to ask a friend who calls herself a witch. She is very clued up in the pagan religion and worships to the Gods and Godesses etc. Without telling her why or who or anything like that, so as not to taint her reply I simply asked what the symbols were by showing her myself as Denims post above showed me.

    She told me that it was a sign to worship the Horned God, or what "I" would call the Devil, we often have interesting debates. Now according to her and all her witchy books, it was the Christians who stole the symbology of the Pagans.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klay
    ..... it was the Christians who stole the symbology of the Pagans.

    Cheers
    "stole" isn't quite the word I would use, adapted and borrowed on a permanent basis perhaps.

    Much so called "Christian" symbology, ritual has it's basis in pagan ideas.

    In its early history, the Roman church in it's bid to expand absorbed other religions into itself with an amalgam of superstitions and heresies characteristic of the pagan nations who had continually added to their list of deities. There were gods who presided over every moment of a man's life, gods of the house, garden, food, drink, health, sickness - the list goes on. The early Church gathered these gods and gave them saints' names. Prayers for the dead, instead of ascending to Cybele they were now offered to saints as well as to God. Praying for the dead, and the invocation of saints are closely related and have no foundation in scripture, including prayers to Mary.

    OK you were right - "stole"

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