Thread: 'the truth shall set you free.' Jn 8:32

frode...you are right in one way for business and spiritual matters are
two separate categories. However, people from different background of creed and faith profess their love, and worship of God in different ways. Some will be reserved and some will openly share their knowledge about
the Lord for the Spirit will teach us all things thru His Holy Words, the Bible.

Because Jesus had given the commision to everyone, young and old to preach the gospel for it was decreed also that the time will come when "the truth will come out of the mouth of babes", also.

The Truths:

1. If we are ashamed of Jesus, He said that He will not present us before
His Heavenly Father. I was young once and was busy with business
and did not put God first in my life until the Light took me out of
darkness ( putting human knowledge and capabilities first without
spiritual guidance).

2. "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." A man shall be blessed if he knows how to
seek the face of God with humility first. It was said also that all glory
belongs to God and He will not give His glory to no man. And without the Lord, man is nothing.

3. Haggai 2:8, " The silver is mine, and the gold is mine" says the Lord.
That means that all the gold and silver belongs to God. And as we find
in the book of the young warrior Joshua of Joshua 1:8, " This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

God loves everyone! Have a nice morning/night to all.

If quoting scripture makes the reader/listener uncomfortable it is not the quoter's problem but that of the recipient.

I do choose my moments, and it's not a case of hiding a light under a bushal, but of casting pearls before swine. In other words Christians are told that in certain events, making their case is not worth the bother. In this thread I am sure the message has been cast before some swine, but in others, as you can see from the wonderful positive responses it is readily received and has not fallen on deaf ears. It certainly reminded me of who should be put first.

The gospel of Christ is filled with money and money issues. It cannot be separated. It is all part and parcel of the whole. Of the top of my head money issues are in.
Rich Man and Lazarus
Prodigal Son
Widows Mite
Money Exchangers in the temple
The good Samaritan
Paying Local Tax (When Jesus told Peter to catch a fish and in it would be the tax that needed to be paid)
The Rich man who asked how to get to heaven
The Rich little man who climbed a tree to see Jesus
Saint Matthew was a taxation officer
Rich man and a camel
Lawful Taxation (Sadducee Question)
The sermon on the mount
Even the cost of ointment being anointed on Jesus feet.
The worth of the death of Jesus was valued at 30 pieces of silver, enough to purchase a field in those days.

You cannot separate finance and Christian belief. Christians are convicted in the great commission to spread the gospel. They are not convicted to sympathize with everybody else's school of thought however logical. And like it or not the word of God will not return void.

Denim, if you are from planet Earth, than you just arrived.

If a person has faith in God and believes that God is everywhere...then he/she praises Him,thanks Him and asks His guidance.

pieapple

I believe all things are made possible to us through our faith in the word of God.
Whitch also applies to the outcome of Pips.

omcelveen

Originally Posted by newlife

Denim, if you are from planet Earth, than you just arrived.

Can you say that in English?

Originally Posted by newlife

Without GOD nothing is possible. That how it is.

I am an Atheist. What I do is NOT possible. Is that what you think?

Originally Posted by Shell

I am an Atheist. What I do is NOT possible. Is that what you think?

I really hope that being an atheist is a conclusion that you have reached by weighing up the evidence and coming to your conclusion. And that you are still on a learning curve.

To atheists and agnostics in general may I venture the following,

To actually believe something does not necessarily mean that it is true.

For a long time there was a belief that the world is flat. There are a few people who still believe the world is flat. There is a flat earth society. By retaining the view and using logic there is nothing to stop people in believing in their hearts that the world is really flat. HOWEVER it doesn't necessarily mean it is true. The fact remains whatever anyone believes - the earth is ball or globe shaped.

Similarly so, a thought process can determine that there is no God or supreme being according to evidence, or lack of evidence. It does not necessarily happen to be fact. Which makes your statement false logic.

An atheist denies the existence in God or gods. I think there are many so called atheists that deny the existence of God simply because they don't like the idea of there being a God and haven't really given it any thought, I hope you are not one of them. I believe that this is not enough. This is like saying I don't like the idea of the earth being a globe. An atheist needs to weigh up the evidence and come to the educated conclusion that there is no God or gods.

Such evidence would include the creation of time and space, the creation of existence. How matter derived from nothing. Order, Chaos. Order in Chaos.

I quote (since there is no point re-inventing the wheel)

What is your philosophy about life and death?

Is there more to this life than just a few hard knocks and then a dirt nap?

If you knew you were going to die tomorrow, would you have any hope that all of this was not in vain?

Why live for others if they are just going to take the same dirt nap as the rest of us?

Do we possess a conscience? If so where did we get a conscience?

If we are not spiritual beings, why do we have a conscience, why can we feel emotion?

Why is it fair that some people live full and rewarding lives, and some have nothing but pain and sorrow? But yet they both end up with nothing in the end?

Is it possible to effectively know or deduce whether there is a God?

Is it possible to effectively know or deduce there is no God?

Is it possible to know whether someone has had a genuine religious /spiritual experience?

How do you define what is moral and what is not?

Should moral rules be codified or are they something for each person to decide for themself as situations arise?

How did life first begin?

What document best exemplifies or informs your attitudes/beliefs/morals?

Since mathematical theory ultimately rests on faith, why do you denounce Christianity for resting on faith?

The history of science shows that strictly mechanistic views of the world have consistently failed to hold up. Why not acknowledge that the world is not strictly mechanistic as materialistic explanations must suppose?

Does the fact that you do not believe in God, necessarily equate for you that there is no afterlife as well (after life, there is only non-existence)?

In the absence of a deity who dishes out punishment and rewards the "good", has this, in any way, encouraged you to do any or some things that God-fearing people would not? (i.e. If I can get away with stealing someone's wife or money, it's ok cos I won't be penalized anyway)

Do some atheists who don't believe in God, still believe in a universal system of reward and retribution (like karma?), if so, where does it come from, who created the system, or does it follow that if you're an atheist, you do not believe in this?

Is there a real need to do good and be caring for your fellow man?

Can I acknowledge that I could be wrong?

Many theories and beliefs have been proven to be incorrect or untrue. In the event that an atheist is wrong, can you stand before the great white throne and point a finger to God and say "You do not exist."?

Is there any reason to consider any of this?

dont confuse confidence with cockiness.

Originally Posted by denim

I really hope that being an atheist is a conclusion that you have reached by weighing up the evidence and coming to your conclusion. And that you are still on a learning curve.

To atheists and agnostics in general may I venture the following,

To actually believe something does not necessarily mean that it is true.

For a long time there was a belief that the world is flat. There are a few people who still believe the world is flat. There is a flat earth society. By retaining the view and using logic there is nothing to stop people in believing in their hearts that the world is really flat. HOWEVER it doesn't necessarily mean it is true. The fact remains whatever anyone believes - the earth is ball or globe shaped.

Similarly so, a thought process can determine that there is no God or supreme being according to evidence, or lack of evidence. It does not necessarily happen to be fact. Which makes your statement false logic.

An atheist denies the existence in God or gods. I think there are many so called atheists that deny the existence of God simply because they don't like the idea of there being a God and haven't really given it any thought, I hope you are not one of them. I believe that this is not enough. This is like saying I don't like the idea of the earth being a globe. An atheist needs to weigh up the evidence and come to the educated conclusion that there is no God or gods.

Such evidence would include the creation of time and space, the creation of existence. How matter derived from nothing. Order, Chaos. Order in Chaos.

I quote (since there is no point re-inventing the wheel)

What is your philosophy about life and death?

Is there more to this life than just a few hard knocks and then a dirt nap?

If you knew you were going to die tomorrow, would you have any hope that all of this was not in vain?

Why live for others if they are just going to take the same dirt nap as the rest of us?

Do we possess a conscience? If so where did we get a conscience?

If we are not spiritual beings, why do we have a conscience, why can we feel emotion?

Why is it fair that some people live full and rewarding lives, and some have nothing but pain and sorrow? But yet they both end up with nothing in the end?

Is it possible to effectively know or deduce whether there is a God?

Is it possible to effectively know or deduce there is no God?

Is it possible to know whether someone has had a genuine religious /spiritual experience?

How do you define what is moral and what is not?

Should moral rules be codified or are they something for each person to decide for themself as situations arise?

How did life first begin?

What document best exemplifies or informs your attitudes/beliefs/morals?

Since mathematical theory ultimately rests on faith, why do you denounce Christianity for resting on faith?

The history of science shows that strictly mechanistic views of the world have consistently failed to hold up. Why not acknowledge that the world is not strictly mechanistic as materialistic explanations must suppose?

Does the fact that you do not believe in God, necessarily equate for you that there is no afterlife as well (after life, there is only non-existence)?

In the absence of a deity who dishes out punishment and rewards the "good", has this, in any way, encouraged you to do any or some things that God-fearing people would not? (i.e. If I can get away with stealing someone's wife or money, it's ok cos I won't be penalized anyway)

Do some atheists who don't believe in God, still believe in a universal system of reward and retribution (like karma?), if so, where does it come from, who created the system, or does it follow that if you're an atheist, you do not believe in this?

Is there a real need to do good and be caring for your fellow man?

Can I acknowledge that I could be wrong?

Many theories and beliefs have been proven to be incorrect or untrue. In the event that an atheist is wrong, can you stand before the great white throne and point a finger to God and say "You do not exist."?

Is there any reason to consider any of this?

What about my question? Can you answer it or not?