Thread: 'the truth shall set you free.' Jn 8:32

One thing is for sure, you can't try to convince anyone that their spiritual walk is the only way.
You guys can quote scripture and try to tell the future from how much bull manure smells.
It's a personal walk.

Leave it alone!!!!

Originally Posted by skylark58

God loves everyone and yet He gives every human being the power/freewill
to choose for He will not force His love to anyone to accept His love. And in anyone's time of probation and temporary journey on earth and until a human's breath is return to the the Great Maker, both the wicked and the saint are both given the same provisions of blessings and excercise their free will and faculties of the mind to live prosperously and successfully
or not and whether these accomplishments will bring glory to the Lord or for
a meaningless, destructive and selfish life.


He is a good Father and yearning everyone to come home to
him with an open heart and his love for his children is illustrated with the story of the prodigal son. He is the creator of all things and His name
might come differently and called The Great Spirit or Allah to some people
and Jesus Christ to the Christians and Jehovah to the Jewish people and
yet He is the same Spirit, the same God, who is also called the Word in the beginning of time who was made flesh for His blood only and no one else is worthy to save the entire human race from eternal condemnation.

Just to clarify a few issues that are not true by any means.
The Bible teaches us of The Father, the Son, and the holy spirit.
The name of the Father is "Jehovah"
The name of the Son is the "Christ" aka Jesus Christ "The Great Teacher".
The holy spirit is Gods active force. Not a another being.
Not only Jews use Gods name of Jehovah. Multitudes of people of different backgrounds use his name as the Bible states that all those calling on the "name" of God shall be saved. How can you call on someones name if you don't know it?

And someone hit the nail on the head by stating that TRUE Christians should not celebrate the Pagan holiday of Christmas which is not only man made, but was not celebrated by first century Christians.

Originally Posted by misterdeedub

Just to clarify a few issues that are not true by any means.
The Bible teaches us of The Father, the Son, and the holy spirit.
The name of the Father is "Jehovah"
The name of the Son is the "Christ" aka Jesus Christ "The Great Teacher".
The holy spirit is Gods active force. Not a another being.
Not only Jews use Gods name of Jehovah. Multitudes of people of different backgrounds use his name as the Bible states that all those calling on the "name" of God shall be saved. How can you call on someones name if you don't know it?

And someone hit the nail on the head by stating that TRUE Christians should not celebrate the Pagan holiday of Christmas which is not only man made, but was not celebrated by first century Christians.

Rom 10:9 If you confess that Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised him from death, you will be saved.

The bible states that calling on "Jesus" you will be saved.
It amazes me that so many people have to put their two cents in, outlining everything that there is no God. It clearly shows us in the bible that it is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ that you will walk in victory and go to heaven when you die. If you don't believe in God (Jehovah), Jesus Christ, or the Holy Spirit, that's fine, but you cannot convince someone who has that relationship with God otherwise.

Denim, I would like to say that you truly demonstrate graciousness under fire. I also discern true humility in your discourse with Kimlyn (I've been following from the begenning) The fruits are apparent in you my friend.

Although we can see that Kimlyn is pretty far down the road, I sensed in her last post (assuming her) as I;m sure you did, that she has in fact not committed the "unpardonable sin". I found my heart quite pained by the time I got to the end of her post. Her "Grand post" was very personally revealing I'm sure you'd agree. I will include you both in my prayer time.

peace

Originally Posted by denim

I thought I was going to have the crown for the longest post, I pass it graciously on.

I don’t doubt and can see that you have done a lot of research, and I can understand how you have come to your conclusion. I believe that in one or two places there a have been some massive jumps in logic.

I detect a change in tone with phrases likeAnd for the purpose of this thread and those who think that we may not be as civil as we were, the most I can do is to agree to differ.

“take it or leave it.” And when I see unsubstantiated words like “Crap!!!” and “Rubbish!!!” I switch off. These words unintentionally change what was the courteous character of the dialog, but becomes fuel for the "shut up" brigade. I don’t have a problem with length. I do believe for those following this discussion of whom there seem to be many, it is in danger of being locked or deleted by the moderators which would be sad, because we have both put allot of work into it.

I haven’t responded to the other thread because I can’t respond to it in the intent required by the original poster. See what tense the author of Daniel is in chapters 1 to 6 and you will see that that it is in the 3rd person. The title magician was not of Daniels making. And if you read chapters 1 to three you can see how that title was bestowed on him.

Take care and best wishes

Hi Manoo;

I wish to add my comments here please be patient in trying to understand this.

One thing is for sure, you can't try to convince anyone that their spiritual walk is the only way.

Don't be so sure of your comments here. I felt exactly that way when I was an avid Christian for some 30 years and was proven wrong simply because I was so "cock sure" of my beliefs as being correct. I saw no need to do deep research into their origins. Since I have left I have learn't so much more - it would make your head spin. Christianity is a belief system which was a competitor to Mithrasism. Both were seen as 'a cults' in the first century and Christianity was termed "The Way". Your reasoning is somewhat like - Because you can't see air, or electricity; then it can't be proven to exist. [ I can quote scriptural texts to support these if required.]

You guys can quote scripture and try to tell the future from how much bull manure smells.

Yes we can quote scripture that is a good skill to have. You must know the enemy your trying to convert. But what do you mean when you say -"try to tell the future from how much bull manure smells" ???

If that is a critism then its meaningless without any real support. Its a direct result of feeling insecure with your current faith.

It's a personal walk.

Yes it is - there are 'many gods and many lords' and many ways to worship. For me I declare my faith to those who enquire; as a defense. I am a researcher and am interested in "The Truth" whatever that may be. A lot of people critisize without any any support; which means their faith is in vain.

And as for it being "a personal walk, or thing" Matthew 24:14 & ACTS 1:8; 20:20 says - 'the faith should be declared to the most distant part of the earth ( which includes the World Wide Web ) and from 'House to house'.' Do you preach or do you keep quiet ??? In defense of Christians they are doing what scripture commands them by talking about it to everyone. So much so the crusades slaghtered all those who wouldn't convert. All Christains wage a spiritual warefare, and have to gird themselves with a suit of armour as per Ephesians 6:13-20 in order to defend the good news of their faith. Defending means "aurguing" the facts and doctrines. Though I am not a Christian - I "fight fire with fire" - "Do unto others what they do to you".

Sincerely yours
Kimlyn

Ps ; Your comment - Leave it alone!!!! - does this theological debate/ discussion whatever you call it bother you ? If it does skip it and go to other posts. No-one is forcing you to read them.

Originally Posted by interesting

Yes. The knowledge contained in this thread is great, and worth keeping as a basic research thesis.

However, "knowledge puffs up, love builds up".

No matter how much we learn, if we do not have love, then we are as "sounding brass and tinkling cymbal".

I used to debate vigorously with Christians, and more often than not, I would win the debate hands down, because I did more research and uderstood (partially) both sides of the arguments.

But I lost, whenever I backed my mother into a corner with my verbosity. At five-foot-nothing, she would come out of the corner with..."You may have an argument, but I have an experience. It was Jesus that healed me of my incurable disease. It was Jesus that released me from the bondage of sin a guilt. It is Jesus that sustains my peace and joy day by day, and until you find Him, you will never find rest for your soul."

He that has an experience is never at the mecry of one who just has an argument.

interesting.

Listen to your mother!!! ;-))

Here's the rub, does anybody honestly think they can convince somebody who has a day to day relationship with God that God doesn't exist with reams of cut and paste? Hello!

Whilst impressive and sure wins the 'BIG POST' prize, it doesn't change my relationship with God one bit. What is the point of it I wonder.

If you more learned than I choose not to believe in God, not to believe in His Son as saviour, fine, it's YOUR choice.

I make the prediction that when you are asked to account for your decision before your creator.....you'll believe then.

The fruits are apparent in you my friend.
Hi Kevo;

Commenting on your last post-

Although we can see that Kimlyn is pretty far down the road, I sensed in her [ I am a male ] last post (assuming her) as I;m sure you did, that she has in fact not commited the "unpardonable sin". [ You don't know what I know about this matter though I appreciate your assurance.]

I found my heart quite pained by the time I got to the end of her post. Her "Grand post" was very personally revealing I'm sure you'd agree. I will include you both in my prayer time.[ Please don't pray for me as I resent it. I have strong reasons for why I say this. I have a very real AXE to grind with God for his lack of assistance when asked. I'm sorry but I believe God is "the evil" in the world and not the good. Most of my lifes problems are a direct result of Christians betraying me in one form or another.]

As for "the fruits of the spirit" - yes I don't claim to have them, I threw the nine fruits out of the window years ago when I left Christianity. Now I am deemed an apostate by some, to others ANTI -Christ. As I don't have the holy spirit, but rather the unholy spirit, then "my behaviour to some extant is justified" in that I don't live by those rules; and refuse too.

Thanking you for reading
Kimlyn

Kimlyn,
If you're busy grinding an ax with God... who are you praying to, when you offer to pray for people?

This is all fine but it does not belong here. Go preach it on the mountain.
irydany

When it comes to the devotion of the "spiritual exercise" of prayer, most "Christians" cannot compare themselves to the committment others make to this practice.

There are times when I hear some people "praying" and wonder if they are not really practicing the dark arts.

Others think that by their great supplications they are going to coerce God into fulfilling their desires. (The Lord is my shield and "Butler"....please forgive the misquote).

Some stand by "Prayer moves the hand of God", as if He doesn't know what He is doing. Would we not be much wiser in recognizing that "Prayer moves ME into the hand of God."

A dear friend of mine used to visit the sick in hospitals on a regular basis to provide spiritual support. Invariably he would offer a prayer on their behalf, but before he left their bedside would ask the question, "How is your communication with God? One-way or Two-way?"

How important it is that we learn to seek Him for Himself, and not for what we can expect Him to do on our behalf.

One of my favorite stories that Jesus told was of a servant who laboured all day in the fields, came in and was told by his master to prepare the evening meal. He did, and then served the meal, waiting totally on his master. When complimented, his reply is stunning. "I have only done what you have enabled me to do".

Should I be numbered with the elect and chosen, standing before Him in glory, I expect that many shall be surprized to see me there as I shall be.

Christians laud the Apostle Paul, and well they should for by his hand we are given the majority of the New Testament. When he approached the end of his time, he tells us that he pummeled his flesh lest after having preached the gospel he should become a castaway.

Let us with all dilligence take heed lest we fall.

interesting.