Thread: Is there really a place call HELL?

Dave, you can certainly believe the way you choose to and that is ok with me. I am strong in my belief in God and I am also very happy and in awe that others believe in him no matter how they choose to believe. I think the world would be a better place if others were to be happy and rejoice in the fact that all religions believe in a higher being no matter what they choose to call him or how they chose to believe in hm. I for one do not believe that I need to have the fear of eternal damnation to keep me on the right path. I also know I am not alone. I am no less spiritual than you, I just believe in another direction. Do you really believe God will send me to hell for that? I do not think so. I love him as much as you do. You quote the scriptures allot and although I respect you for your belief in them, I do not believe as you .Anyone can go to other denominations and take the same quotes which will mean entirely different things depending on how you believe. Same with the churches. It is all a matter of what belief gives you peace. I go to many different church services, mainly to appease my family and friends and I do get a sense of peace from each one. But I do not believe as they do. But I tolerate their differences and I respect that they believe as they do because they do believe. I seem to detect a little anger or frustration on your post and I am a little confused by that? You of all people should look at what I said and not judge the way I believe but rejoice that I am a child of God. I do not mislead anyone Dave because I am not in any position to do so. You asked an open question on this forum and I felt compelled to answer. I do not think you are misleading people because of the way you believe. Tolerance of other beliefs is one of the biggest problems in this world. It has caused wars, much destruction and many, many deaths. I think this in itself is the "hell" you speak of which is a "hell" of our own creation. I have allot of respect for your word Dave because you believe in what you say and you are not afraid to tell others of your beliefs. That is the power of God. However I also believe just as much as you do, I feel his power and strength and his energy and I will never believe that I am any less spiritual than you or others that believe the same way you do. We are all children of God in all ways.....Donna

Hi Donna,

I’m not angry or frustrated as you assume, nor am I judging you. I’m just telling you what the Word of God says and what you say you believe is not even close to the same thing.

I really would like to know where you get your ideas about God? And I’m really not sure based on what you’ve written, do you consider yourself a Christian? If you do why don’t you believe what Jesus says?

What do you think it takes to become a Christian?
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus says He is the only way to access God and that God Himself will not tolerate any other way.

As I’ve stated before, some Scriptures are open to debate, like parts of Revelation, but most of God’s Word is direct and concise, especially concerning man’s fall from grace and God’s plan of salvation… And Heaven and hell.

We are all created by God, and God says in His Word that He desires that none should perish, but His Word also says that there is only one way to become a son of God.

John 1:12 But as many as received him (Jesus), to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

My job is to let people know that God is not a God of confusion, He states in His Word very clearly what is required of mankind to spend eternal life with Him. I must also warn people that there is a day coming that Jesus will judge every man and woman according to their works, and if their name is not written in the Lamb’s (Jesus) book of life they will spend eternity in hell. (Not my words, God’s)

People may not like what God’s Word says, and may never like it. They may not believe it right now either, but one day they will not only believe, they will know.

I don’t want anyone to be cast down into hell on the Day of Judgment. And I surely don’t want them to be screaming at me as they are being cast into hell because I didn’t warn them and tell them how to avoid hell when I passed through their life here on earth.

Because of free will we can believe what God says in His word or we can believe something that we or someone else made up.

I choose to believe God’s Word.

I still love you and pray for you regardless of what you believe, I just can’t give you what I think you want, my approval.

God bless you Donna,
Dave

Hi Dave, why would I want your approval? I am who I am and I will certainly be in heaven with you. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind. As will millions of others like me. It does not matter how you believe, it only matters that you believe. I accept you and your choices whether you accept me and mine.

It is ok with me that you believe what you do, and it is also ok with me that other faiths believe as they do. I see the beauty in all of them. I work with allot of people from India who are Hindu and although some of their beliefs are far fetched in my mind, I see the light in their eyes when they talk about their higher being and that is all that matters to me.

Same with you Although I can not see the light in your eyes, I hear the passion in your words and that is all that matters to me to know you are genuine in your beliefs.

Please believe me when I say that not at any time was I asking for your acceptance because I was not. Your acceptance of me is not important. I will be on the same walk as you in the end make no mistake about it.

What is important is that you respect the way I believe or others who do not believe the same way as you do because the simple fact is, we all believe in God. No one religion is right and no one religion has the right to say someone will burn in hell because we do not see it as you do.

This world is full of diversity in all aspects but especially in religion. It is the acceptance or lack there of from some that have caused many needless deaths and mayham in the world. Maybe when we all can sit back and accept the power of God in all faiths we can have peace.

In the end, our God will not send millions of souls to your hell because we believed differently. He will open the doors because we believe. That is what it is all about.

The question you posted, Is there really a hell, was an open question Dave and I answered your question. I am sure that even on this forum there are many different beliefs but I can see why some may not want to post. Had I have known that you would tell me I would go to hell and others who did not believe the way you do would follow my path, I most likely would not have posted. No, that is not true, I would still have posted because your hell has no affect on my beliefs. Words like that to me are empty words that were used centuries ago as a means to an end. It worked then but it does not now.

I see the light in you Dave and maybe someday when your eyes are open to differences, you may see the light in me. If not, that is ok with me because we will still walk the same path to glory and that is all that matters.....Donna

I was speaking of my approval of what you believe, not you. You never answer my questions or even consider the Word of God I share with you, you just repeat doctrine that you have been taught, is it Christian science?

You say you’ll be in Heaven, but how do you plan on entering Heaven? Have you accepted Jesus as your personal Savoir?

It may not matter to you how people believe, but it matters to God. He gave His only begotten Son to die… DIE… GOD’S SON. Jesus paid a horrible price so mankind could escape death and hell and be forgiven of sin and live forever with God in Heaven. God takes it very personal when a person dies in their sin by refusing to accept the sacrificial death of His Son for the atonement of their sins.

What you have done is created a false god to worship. You’ve created a god in your mind, a god just for you and fashioned him or her to the image of what you want your god to be.

Do you believe the Word of God at all? If you don’t believe God’s Word and if you’re not interested seeking the truth according to God’s Word then there is nothing I can do to help you except pray that God will allow the scales of deception to fall off of your eyes that you might know His’ truth when you read it.

God bless you Donna,
Dave

Hi Dave,

No, I was not asking for your approval on my beliefs either. When I answered your question, I knew you did not believe as I did and that is ok. The fact is you asked a question on an open forum and I answered it.

No, I am not a believer of the Christian Science faith although they are just as adamant that they are right as you are. So is the Jehova Witness, Jewish, Penecostal, Baptists, Methodists, Muslims, Buddists, Hindu's and so on. Do you really believe our God will pick just your faith to go to heaven? I do not think so. Being biased is a human trait

All religions should be praising God because he has touched peoples hearts and our souls in many different ways.

Am I a christian? Not by your definition. Am I a believer in Christ? You better believe it. Am I one with God, yes. Do I believe that your scripture is the word of God? No. I believe it is the story of God written with man's interpertations throughout time.

When I read the things that you write Dave, I do not tell you that I will pray for God to open your eyes so you can believe as I do. I have never implied that your beliefs are wrong in any way. Just as strongly as you believe in your faith, I believe in mine it does not make you any more spiritual than it does me. My heart is filled to bursting because I know another has found God and it does not matter to me how you got to where you are only that you have arrived.

I am nondenominational. I believe in all of the religions and I see them for what they are. I can go to any service and feel peace and love but I do not have to believe everything about that religion to feel the power of God within. If being a christian by your definition means that I have to believe just one way and not see the beauty and the power of different religions and not accept other beliefs as their gospel, then I do not believe I would like to become one

You asked a question Dave and I answered it honestly. I did not know it would turn into you feeling the need to pray for me because I did not answer the question the way you wanted me to. My soul is not in jeopardy. Maybe if you do not want to hear what some others believe with an open heart and mind then maybe you should watch how you word your questions.

The last thing I would like to say Dave is that here on earth there are allot of differences and allot of prejudices but when it comes time to leave this world, we will all walk on the same road to the same place and be embraced by the same loving arms....Take care Dave, I wish you and yours the best life has to offer. God Bless you.....Donna

En Shallah to you Donna and being forthright with your faith in the Almighty that blesses us all irrespective of our creed, color or convictions to any individual choice of religion or none as many would also like to proclaim their position.

Thank you for sharing your perception with religion and I appreciate it very much just from reading your outlook towards anyone that has a right of place on this planet.


YB. - Cheers to you and be merry with sharing your humility here and anywhere... welcome to ROLClub too.

Originally Posted by Donnarae

The last thing I would like to say Dave is that here on earth there are allot of differences and allot of prejudices but when it comes time to leave this world, we will all walk on the same road to the same place and be embraced by the same loving arms....Take care Dave, I wish you and yours the best life has to offer. God Bless you.....Donna

Originally Posted by DocDave

...you just repeat doctrine that you have been taught...

I suggest you look yourself in the mirror and repeat the above sentence. Then read Matthew 7:3.

Beware us all from fanatics of any faith.

Donna, I really liked your answer. God bless you too.

Grace

The Bible speaks of variouis types of grace...

1. Grace, meaning God's forgiving mercy (Rom. 11:6; Eph. 2:5).
2. The gospel as distinguished from the law (John 1:17; Rom. 6:14; 1 Pet. 5:12).
3. Grace of form or person (Prov. 1:9; 3:22; Ps. 45:2).
4. Grace, meaning favor, kindness, friendship (Gen. 6:8; 18:3; 19:19; 2 Tim. 1:9).
5. Gifts freely bestowed by God; as miracles, prophecy, tongues (Rom. 15:15; 1 Cor. 15:10; Eph. 3:8).
6. Christian virtues (2 Cor. 8:7; 2 Pet. 3:18).
7. The glory hereafter to be revealed (1 Pet. 1:13).

Author: Matthew G. Easton, with minor editing by Paul S. Taylor.

Salvation through faith by grace alone
The Bible teaches that we are justified by grace alone, through faith alone, because of Christ alone. Unfortunately, some people try to add human works to this. For example, Catholicism adds such requirements as:

• Obey the commandments of God
• Love and worship God
• Pray
• Fast
• Love one's neighbor
• Practice self-renunciation
• Bear witness to the Catholic faith
• Follow supernatural inspiration in deeds
• Confess the major doctrines of the Church

But when it comes to salvation, the apostle Paul said of his own righteous works:

"I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ--the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith" (Philippians 3:8-9 - NIV).

Where justification by faith alone is not clearly understood and taught, "another gospel" is being proclaimed. Galatians includes a stern warning about those who proclaim "another gospel."

"I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed" (Galatians 1:6-9 - NKJV).

This is from Bible Encyclopedia [Home] - WebBible.net / ChristianAnswers.Net

The Bible says it is by GRACE we are saved through faith, and that not of ourselves, it is a GIFT from God, not of works lest any man should boast...

Why would we need this free gift of salvation through God's Grace if there is nothing to be saved FROM? When Adam and EVE sinned in the garden, the consequence is death, eternal separation from God, BUT God in His mercy and love for us, sent JESUS to die and pay the price for our sin...so that we might have eternity WITH Him.

Father, in the name of Jesus, I ask you to continue to tug and draw your creation to yourself. As a Pastor that I heard this past weekend say, even the ANGELS marvel at why you give people a second thought...Lord, I thank you that you desire all of us to spend eternity with you, and that you came live on this earth so you could DIE and be raised again for us. You also came to show us how to live our lives in this world...Thank you.

God, please bless all who are reading here and posting...Amen

Originally Posted by YogiBrood

En Shallah to you Donna and being forthright with your faith in the Almighty that blesses us all irrespective of our creed, color or convictions to any individual choice of religion or none as many would also like to proclaim their position.

Thank you for sharing your perception with religion and I appreciate it very much just from reading your outlook towards anyone that has a right of place on this planet.


YB. - Cheers to you and be merry with sharing your humility here and anywhere... welcome to ROLClub too.

Thank you very much for your kind words.....

Originally Posted by bultn

I suggest you look yourself in the mirror and repeat the above sentence. Then read Matthew 7:3.

Beware us all from fanatics of any faith.

Donna, I really liked your answer. God bless you too.

Thank you Bultn