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rahly, what you are trying to tell sivart and the ill informed is to check out Diebold. Why should they? They are happy enough living in the disinformation world of CNN and FOX and the false left versus right propaganda. It will only take them out of their comfort zone to seek the truth. So sivart, twicewise etc., do not check out Diebold, it may be dangerous to your health. The Patriot Acts and Homeland Security will also put you in jail (concentration camp) if you dare find out the truth. Also stick with the official Bin Laden/911 fairy tale.

9/11 EVIDENCE NOW IN UTAH MAINSTREAM

NOVEMBER 11, 2005. On 9/11/01, when I wrote my first article on the WTC/Pentagon attacks, I stated that the explosions were the first things to analyze.

That was because I had already written a short book, in 1995, about the Oklahoma bombing. It was clear to me then that the truck bomb was a diversion. After consulting with several experts, I (and many others) saw that no bomb exploding out of a truck parked at the curb in front of the Murrah Building could have caused the profile of damage the building sustained.

There had to have been bombs previously placed on columns inside the building.

Of course, this completely chewed up the official scenario about what had happened on April 19, 1995.

So when I saw what happened to the WTC and the Pentagon, I automatically said, look at the explosions, look at the way the buildings react to the plane collisions.

I called one of the experts I had consulted on the Oklahoma case, and he said, "No, no. This one is different. There is no hidden situation here. It's exactly what you saw on TV."

He seemed to be too sure. He seemed to be too fast.

As we all know, since 9/11 there have been thousands of articles on the Internet about the way the buildings came down, about the "melting of the steel," about the obvious lies contained in the official scenario.

This information has reached millions and millions of people all over the world, and it has been dismissed as lunacy by arrogant major media outlets.

Here is a piece from the Deseret News dated yesterday. What struck me about it was the nearly matter-of-fact tone. This is a Utah paper that has been around a long time. The reporter, Elaine Jarvik, doesn't spend time trashing the source, a BYU professor. She doesn't scoff at him, doesn't bring in a parade of so-called experts to debunk his conclusions about the explosions on 9/11.

I know. The Deseret News is not The NY Times. But still. This is interesting. It reveals that counter-theories about 9/11 have already been reaching lots and lots of people, and so the newspaper didn't feel it had to load up and fire major barrages at the BYU professor right from the start.

Thursday, November 10, 2005

...professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled WTC By Elaine Jarvik Deseret Morning News

The physics of 9/11 — including how fast and symmetrically one of the World Trade Center buildings fell — prove that official explanations of the collapses are wrong, says a Brigham Young University physics professor.

In fact, it's likely that there were "pre-positioned explosives" in all three buildings at ground zero, says Steven E. Jones.

In a paper posted online Tuesday and accepted for peer-reviewed publication next year, Jones adds his voice to those of previous skeptics, including the authors of the Web site www.wtc7.net, whose research Jones quotes. Jones' article can be found at www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html.

"It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three (WTC) buildings," BYU physics professor Steven E. Jones says. Jones, who conducts research in fusion and solar energy at BYU, is calling for an independent, international scientific investigation "guided not by politicized notions and constraints but rather by observations and calculations.

"It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three buildings and set off after the two plane crashes — which were actually a diversion tactic," he writes. "Muslims are (probably) not to blame for bringing down the WTC buildings after all," Jones writes.

As for speculation about who might have planted the explosives, Jones said, "I don't usually go there. There's no point in doing that until we do the scientific investigation."

Previous investigations, including those of FEMA, the 9/11 Commission and NIST (the National Institutes of Standards and Technology), ignore the physics and chemistry of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, to the Twin Towers and the 47-story building known as WTC 7, he says.

The official explanation — that fires caused structural damage that caused the buildings to collapse — can't be backed up by either testing or history, he says.

Jones acknowledges that there have been "junk science" conspiracy theories about what happened on 9/11, but "the explosive demolition hypothesis better satisfies tests of repeatability and parsimony and therefore is not 'junk science.' "

In a 9,000-word article that Jones says will be published in the book "The Hidden History of 9/11," by Elsevier, Jones offers these arguments:

• The three buildings collapsed nearly symmetrically, falling down into their footprints, a phenomenon associated with "controlled demolition" — and even then it's very difficult, he says. "Why would terrorists undertake straight-down collapses of WTC-7 and the Towers when 'toppling over' falls would require much less work and would do much more damage in downtown Manhattan?" Jones asks. "And where would they obtain the necessary skills and access to the buildings for a symmetrical implosion anyway? The 'symmetry data' emphasized here, along with other data, provide strong evidence for an 'inside' job."

• No steel-frame building, before or after the WTC buildings, has ever collapsed due to fire. But explosives can effectively sever steel columns, he says.

• WTC 7, which was not hit by hijacked planes, collapsed in 6.6 seconds, just .6 of a second longer than it would take an object dropped from the roof to hit the ground. "Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum, one of the foundational laws of physics?" he asks. "That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors — and intact steel support columns — the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. . . . How do the upper floors fall so quickly, then, and still conserve momentum in the collapsing buildings?" The paradox, he says, "is easily resolved by the explosive demolition hypothesis, whereby explosives quickly removed lower-floor material, including steel support columns, and allow near free-fall-speed collapses." These observations were not analyzed by FEMA, NIST nor the 9/11 Commission, he says.

• With non-explosive-caused collapse there would typically be a piling up of shattering concrete. But most of the material in the towers was converted to flour-like powder while the buildings were falling, he says. "How can we understand this strange behavior, without explosives? Remarkable, amazing — and demanding scrutiny since the U.S. government-funded reports failed to analyze this phenomenon."

• Horizontal puffs of smoke, known as squibs, were observed proceeding up the side the building, a phenomenon common when pre-positioned explosives are used to demolish buildings, he says.

• Steel supports were "partly evaporated," but it would require temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit to evaporate steel — and neither office materials nor diesel fuel can generate temperatures that hot. Fires caused by jet fuel from the hijacked planes lasted at most a few minutes, and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in any given location, he says.

• Molten metal found in the debris of the World Trade Center may have been the result of a high-temperature reaction of a commonly used explosive such as thermite, he says. Buildings not felled by explosives "have insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal," Jones says.

• Multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence were reported by numerous observers in and near the towers, and these explosions occurred far below the region where the planes struck, he says. Jones says he became interested in the physics of the WTC collapse after attending a talk last spring given by a woman who had had a near-death experience. The woman mentioned in passing that "if you think the World Trade Center buildings came down just due to fire, you have a lot of surprises ahead of you," Jones remembers, at which point "everyone around me started applauding."

Following several months of study, he presented his findings at a talk at BYU in September.

Jones says he would like the government to release 6,899 photographs and 6,977 segments of video footage for "independent scrutiny." He would also like to analyze a small sample of the molten metal found at Ground Zero.

end Deseret article

JON RAPPOPORT www.nomorefakenews.com

More stupid conspiracy theorists (oops, they don't like being called that). LOL

You guys would fit well in the middle east, where they believe everything they read or hear and then go tell their buddies. Then they sit around and chat about it until their in enough of an uproar to throw rocks, shoot someone or blow themselves up.
I bet a lot of energy goes into all this paranoia.
You are the kind of guys who never figured out the boogeyman really isn't under your bed or in your closet. I'm right aren't I rahly, mickey, etc.

You guys are funny.

avcguy,

You're getting sleeepy,sleeeeepy...you can't keep your eyes open...sleeeeepy.

I guess you've never heard the following phrases:"conspiracy to commit fraud","conspiracy to commit murder",while I'm at it,why not "conspiracy to commit a conspiracy theory".

Those are actual crimes,for which people can stand trial,except for the last one,obviously.And under the law,conspiracy is as grave a charge as committing the actual crime.But I doubt that "conspiracy to reveal a conspiracy" is a crime.

Did you know that at least HALF of all Americans believe that goob and co. had foreknowledge of the Twin Tower attacks and chose not to act?

To you,that should mean that at least half of all Americans are "stupid conspiracy theorists".And that half is getting bigger all the time.It won't be long til you find yourself in the shrinking minority,too little too late,of course.

Have yourself a grrreat day.

Hi to all you Yanky supporters;

Just for the 2 cents worth - everything I need to know about the USA is taught to us by hollywood and the television. I know the USA invented and dropped the Atomic Bomb and its designer [Albert Einstein] was a Jew. I know the USA has developed AIDs as Bioweapon ( reference Nature magazine June 1968 Monash University Biomedical Library); I know America Wrote the global 2000 report released in 1975 claiming to reduce the worlds population to managable levels and aids was found to be prevelant a few years latter in the early 1980's.

I know the USA won't sign the KYOTO agreement even though thge polar caps are melting and greenhouse emissions are petrolium based. I know the USA wants Oil from Iraq and it went there to find weapons of mass destruction. I know the USA have found the weapons of mass destruction and told us all on the news. I know Bush is a Born Again Christian who does not lie otherwise if he lies in line with the Christian Bible at John 8:44 his father would be the devil. I know the USA has developed a polio Bioterrorist weapon which was on the internet, telling us on the news they had to develop it before someone else gets it. I know the USA backs Israel and I know 'The Protocols of Zion' are supported by them in secret.

I know the USA invented Computers and the microprocesser and the internet ( The micro processor was given to a Born-Again Christian by the holy spirit as discussed in the preface of my electronics book on the subject ); I know A UFO fell in the new mexico desert in 1947 and was latter taken to area 51 and the USA housed alien bodies for research - because USA people told me in their TV shows like X-Files and books an TV series such as the JEWish Speilberg film 'Taken' and the 4400. I know the USA can't spell english ( the mother language) and use fonetik [ha ha] wording - known as 'American' - my computer spells in "American".

I know America can't make a decent car thats economical but makes yank tank FORD cars which means "Fix Or Repair Daily" admidst other throw away junk because its cheaper. I know America invented Plastic from petrol. I also know Plastic takes decades to breakdown in the soil screwing up the enviroment. But thats not America's fault thats mine for throwing it away in the first place.

I know America invented the mobilefones and it gives out microwave radiation like my oven. I know microwaves cause cancer because the America banned book written in 1977 called 'The Zapping of America' which I found 3 copies of in the main Monash Uni Library. I know America is the world's police and have black uniforms and black Helicopters, just like our copycate Aussy blokes and parade around like the gestapo as in the puppet film 'Team America'. They told me so; I know this because america is out to rid the world of Evil terrorists because they are frightened of them. I also Know america has MIB - Men In Black.

I also know Bin Laden is a business partner to Bush and both have links to Halliburton, as told to me in the Micheal Moore USA film Farenheit 9/11 - that I got from my local USA owned Video shop next to MUCK Donalds. I also know Moore's 9/11 movie was nominated an oscar in our local News paper, so it has to be true. I know Holly wood means HOLY WOOD which is indicative of a spell on the mind, or mind control. And I know America is leading the world in mind control - because they told me so.

I know Australia is the 53rd state of the USA because John Howard told us all that on the TV. I went to america a few years ago and saw disney land and I got the WOW factor. One big money making fantasy world where all America is like Wacko Jacko's 'Neverland'. I also found Wacko Jacko was accused of Child Molesting - so it has to be a fact because it comes from American NEWS. What would we do if America was unable to protect us from those big bad terrorists. I'd probably get scared and have to buy a gun to protect myself and Join the Charlton Heston's NRA mindset.

So, to the averarge goyim like me "America must be God" because they want me to believe that. They must be right - for they are the biggest and best in everything they do and only have my welfare at heart. I'm just a humble Aussy follower.

HA HA HA - Im no Fool here.

Kimlyn