Assuming Mickey is correct about "just numbers on a screen" It puzzles me that Bryan Marsden has not sued Author or publisher for libel.

Maybe you could confirm that is a correct assumption Mr Owen.

Mr. Marsden was given the opportunity to comment at an early stage but remained incommunicado. It is difficult suing for libel when the facts presented are substantially correct. This might have been the difficulty facing Mr. Marsden's crack team of lawyers, who now seem to be conspicuouis by their absence.

Don't worry, I read it, though it has been some time back, so I don't need a pirated version thanks. I am not at home these days, don't have it here but I'd like to re-read some pages in it. I don't expect to get the electronic version from you but if so you may send it to: micky(at)mailvault.com if it's not larger than 4MB.


Well, your book was published in February and we know that at around this time Bryan was more or less alone preparing HALotto and was working on new ideas of restructuring PIPS for the case he has something ready when the investigation finishes. Suffice to say, he surely haven't had time and nerves thinking of Owen's book out there for he surely had better things to do.

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Micky

Thanks for that information.I remember that I was livid when "Incognitious" used to write all his detrimental stuff.I remember on his website it said,

Why doesn't Bryan sue me? His answer was,because I will immediately ask for a set of accounts to prove that pips is making 2% a day for its members.Never forgot that.

There have been many slanderous books on the market and publisher and author had nothing to fear if the upper establishment supports the work ;-) But beside that, Bryan had better things to do and at the time the book was published surely couldn't afford any lawyers as the tiny fact has conveniently been forgotten here that all their funds have been frozen long before the book was even published. No money to sue and why even waste time and nerves under such circumstances?

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I just receieved an invitation to join a PPP.
Any comments are welcome.

quote:
Dear Investors

My contact brought to my attention of smaller min program to enter a PPP... and that is as follows...

A 100% secure bank to bank undertaking with a contract that stated that returns will be as follows with a min that we should be going into NOW.

Entry amount: US$150,000 minimum to $1 million maximum
Term: 20 days (4 week, 1 month)
Profit: 100%
Principal + Profit covered by irrevocable bank endorsed pay order issued by one of three top USA banks - all well rated by Moody's and other agencies

Funds do need to be moved to one of the three USA banks which will be providing the irrevocable bank endorsed pay order, which is our guarantee that they will pay. If they don't pay, they lose their banking licence.

WE only need 35 more people to join TPG to be able to participate into the above.
xxxx
unquote:

pinetree

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Another examples of “Risk Free” Programs:
quote:
Dear investors

Instead of creating new threads about new programs that come across my desk, I thought of updating this thread and original post as need be and when programs open and close.

PPP 12/05 - Program #1

Minimum Investment : 1'000'000 USD

Return: Up to 10 times net of investment amount

Procedure : Funds remain on Investor's account. Bank must be a major, screenable Western European Bank
After verification of submitted documents, Investor will get a date for a personal appointment with a lawyer/notary public in Zurich or Frankfurt for the signing of contracts

After signature of the trading contract, the payout of the total return (for1year) will be made in form of banking pay orders, which can be discounted and cashed in immediately (less interest and fees of about 8 to 10%).

Example: POF 2'000'000USD will equal 25'000'000USD; the return will be
about 7.5% net = 187'500 monthly; i.e. total return for 12 months =
22'500'000. Discounted, the fees for this have to be deducted.

Reinvestment: the return can be invested once more

Documents to be submitted: POF, account statement, Ppcopy in colour, LOI, CIS


Program #2
A 300% program is closed to new entrants this year (as of Nov 15
which was the deadline for submitting new business for this year), but
it will be available next year as well. It was paying out in 6 weeks
(toward the end of this year for these new entrants) and the funds were going
to be released at the end of that period(not the full year (15 months blocked Principle) as may be the situation when it resumes normal operation next year).

Frank,what follows below is the information from the German Asset
Manager for the last few weeks of 2005. This is likely to revert back to the
normal 15 month term deposit with a three month profit payout in 2006.
Re-entries with all or part of profits possible.

(Start message)
Below I am giving you an outline of the basic program conditions.
It is a very clear and simple regulation, which is structured like a
time deposit:

* Program location: Germany, (Dresdner and Deutsche Bank)
* Program description: Private placement by German DELETED
* Conditions: On application and invitation only. Minimum cash
placement of USD/Eur 1M, Proof of Funds, History of funds, Affidavit of ownership,
Passport and Due Diligence procedure.
* Security of Investment capital. Will be placed on dedicated account
and re-payment guaranteed by bank. (Funds can stay on clients account in
some jurisdictions)
* Placement contract will be closed with DELETED which is managing the
program.
* Revenues will be fully income taxed by Euro-withholding-tax of 25%.
* Net revenues ca. 280% one time payment after 6 weeks. (tax and
commission deducted)
* Re-entry possible on application if program slot available.

Practical steps to participate in a German 6 weeks program.

1.) Application with passport copy and proof of funds, (account
statement)
2.) If passed successfully d.d. client will get an appointment at the
bank
in Frankfurt Germany.
3.) Contract will be reviewed and program questions explained.
4.) If contract agreed and signed, client will transfer his funds into
the bank in Frankfurt, or if eligible in some jurisdictions and banks,
funds can stay at clients account, if account is "screenable". Funds would then be electronically confirmed from bank to bank. 5.) Once funds placed, trade period will commence for 6 weeks.
6.) Release of funds and pay out of revenues after contract period of 6
weeks. End of program.

However this is NOT a public walk in program from Dresdner or Deutsche
bank. This is a private placement program managed by DELETED, but transacted and funds guaranteed by the bank.

Program #3
$2 million - 50% per week for 40 weeks - the program administrator is a
Major US bank - protocol and procedures will be discussed with the clients prior to moving their funds. Available for 14 for the next days (December 14th)

Program #4 - CLOSED

Is offered by a US Foundation using a European Trader.

Minimum investment is USD$1 million or more.

The program is for 3 weeks with two reentries possible. Funds stay in
the clients account if in a large Western bank or HSBC.Assuming an
investor invests USD$1 million he will earn 300% gross in 3 weeks, 210%
net. If he re-enters the same $1 million two times he wil have earned
USD$6.3 million after nine weeks which is a 630% profit.He may compound
the gross earnings if he wishes which will result in $3 million gross after three weeks For Round 2 he can reneter the original $1 million and the $3 million gross profit, total $4 million which will earn $12 million gross.For Round 3 reenter $16 million which will earn $48 million gross so that at the end of 9 weeks there is a total of USD$64 million gross, $44.8 million net.

Program #5 CLOSED

1. Minimum 1M USD
2. Roughly 60% a week after 10% fees have been deducted.
3. COMPOUNDING affective immediately after investment has been made.
4. Investment stays in the account as long as it is a reputable Western bank.
5. Expected to close December 7th.

Attached you will find a spreadsheet showing the exact affect of the compounding at 60% a week. As you can see, this is a very profitable program and will only be available for a short period of time. Realize that after week ten, the investor has over 100M USD and at this time the trade group/bank will then offer the investor a 100M program. That way he or she will be receiving the treatment of a 100M client rather than a 1M client.
Hope this is good to understand.
Please do not hesitate to write me if there is any question. The above will not stay long, anyone interested should either PM me or send me an email (people already on my list should already have this email address).

Take care
xxx
unquote:

pinetree

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ARE YOU INTERESTED TO BECOME a"limited partner" to the growth of MC Inc. and V-Lane Traffic?

* MC Inc. (MARVCorp Inc.), is becoming the biggest media advertising platform existing on the World Wide Web
* MC Inc. / V-Lane Traffic is a full service media and advertising agency.
--------------------
FOR MORE INFO,JUST PM.

pinetree

Thus...an invitation here from Pinetree for any person willing to chance a $5K-plus participation under a collective account?

Sure appears a challenge and a tempting one in view of that entity risking its banking licence to be gained?




YB. - cheers to the RC CARE Group...

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No more collective accounts for me, thank you very much. Lost too much time, energy and money in the last one....speaking of...does anyone want to buy a custom license plate that reads "Pipster" ??? :) lol

v/r

Thumper

Micky, as you already have a copy I don't really feel inclined to send you another just to refresh your memory as I do have to pay for them. However, you may recall that I asked for Mr. Marsden to comment and collaborate on the book long before Bank Negara stepped in. Now you do remember that, surely? It was in the book.