Far from the pitiful excuse for information on legal reduction of tax liability from quatloos, you can hardly do better than to consult the experts at The Sovereign Society. I agree, however, that Bryan's current problems have nothing to do with any proposed use of PPP's.

Regards,

thelema

But there are no "experts"at the Sovereign Society! It's the same sort of organisation that the Oxford Club was.

as if banks could keep all this a real secret whilst they go around letting low level employees like the tellers and janitors know about it. Think about it, if they can make 2% a day risk free, why do they bother to loan me a mortgage @ 6% for 20 years? If you really think the banks are making all the money then buy stock in Chase and Citibank, it's not like all the profits go to three old fat guys with cigars in the back room, these are publicly held companies.

That's exactly right. The accounts of all banks are published and available. Transactions of this size would be obvious immediately from a glance through their audited reports.
Mike - I was interested to hear of your unfortunate experience. We once had a call from a client who was sitting in a hotel in Switzerland, waiting for his "trade" to be consummated. He called me asking for an advance of, I think it was $3M, which was needed to overcome some minor hiccup. For all I know he may still be sitting there!
And at an offshore banking exhibition in Toronto (Shorex), I met a man who claimed he was one of only fifteen people able to negotiate these deals. He offered to show me the office in Zurich where all this magic was perfomed. On learning that I visited Zurich frequently, he disappeared.
Unfortunately few are honest enough to come forward and admit that they've been had.

I haven't posted here for a long time, but there is an awful lot of misinformation going about again.

Private Placement Programmes and Trades do exist but only for clients with $100M +

There is a platform operating at $10M+ where the majority of the returns go to World Bank humanitarian aid programmes.

The pooling of funds is illegal.

The traders refuse more applications than they accept.

Anyone who offers such schemes via the internet is a scam.

The SEC comes down very hard on those it catches pooling funds or promoting schemes.

BM tried to get into a PPP/trading platform throughout 2004 and right up to BN shutting him down. He failed because he was blacklisted by the traders. He still is blacklisted. GN was employed to perform that function but everyone knew who he was working for.

I know this because I work with several of the bank traders working out of Geneva, London & Zurich. Its amazing what turns up when you ask a few questions. Especially when you ask about gold bars held in Australia. Can you remember? Surprise they don't nor have they ever existed.

If you want to prove that the banks earn fortunes for their investors and shareholders look at the bankers almanac and read the accounts for any one of the AAA rated top 25. You will see that the vast majority of their earnings come from fund management/trading.

Anyone saying they can get you into a trade/PPP below the above figures is conning you.

Don't bother trying to get in unless you have $10M+ in cleared funds in a top 25 bank that you can show minimum 12 months history and proof of source.


RFMJAG

Sorry to hear you fell on a dubious middleman or "agent". Actually, when no trade occurs then there is also no commission for any middlemen, plain and simple.


Typical reaction and excuse to come up not to believe. That you made a bad experience doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That you simply don't or can't believe in it doesn't automatically mean that it doesn't exist at all, does it?

Which makes him and others here also to liars, ya?
Yes, and that's it, just your opinion and nothing else.

As if banks would need to justify any of their transactions to the public...lol...btw, which of the small guys reads any of the audit reports? Beside that, I very much doubt that banks list all transactions in their audit reports for PPP's are simply not for the public. The least of the large corporations list everything in their reports and they are well protected. If you think that SEC and other governmental authorities would go after such large companies think twice. Those government "tools" have namely been created by those very elitists ;)

Who believes in honesty in banks and corporations must be very gullible. One of very few examples where a big company was not protected anymore by the elitists for whatever reasons was Enron.
Which straw will come next? :-)

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Micky

Thanks for confirming.

But another question, how do you know BM was blacklisted? I'd really like to know where you got that info from. Thanks.

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Micky

Onarol,

The whole thing is dead at this point because PIPS Secure never launched and never will. Unfortunately, I had to make a trip to Malaysia to actually hear that part.

Basically, the way Bryan had explained it, PIPS "secure" was so named because the money that went into the trade was "secured" by the United Nations in exchange for a portion of the returns. According to Bryan at the time, that portion that went to the United Nations went to "Humanitarian Projects" whatever that consisted of. We tried to get details as to what the trades were and what projects would benefit and got nothing. The answers that you've heard here about non-disclosure documents supposedly prevented us from hearing such details, then later Gary said that each trade would be different and some would pay off higher than others and be for different lengths of time.

I now believe that Gary knew that there were problems in Hawaii as we sat down and discussed this for a couple of hours. At the time, however, he assured us that everything was getting into place to start and encouraged us to promote the idea of PIPS secure and to encourage more people to participate. Gary also invited me to organize/collect for a separate PPP program outside of the PIPS program and promised NDA documents and details via his private mailvault account. Another promise that never came around. Gary, if you or Warren are monitoring his forum, I do feel that both of you should have your heads on the chopping block with Bryan's.

While I wouldn't ordinarily think of harming any other human, I would give anything for a chance to be within punching distance of Gary's face right now. I can picture his smirk when the photos of Bryan and Sharon came out in the papers.

v/r

Thumper

Many thanks for that explanation Thumper.

Cheers

O.

Actually these deals are 100% scams, nothing of the like exists in the legitimate world. And anyone who says different is NEVER able to produce PROOF other than "I know a guy" or some other crock of manure. You are right on Mike.