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Call me naive or whatever you want, but in my opinion amd as I have been led to believe all my life, a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. At least that the way it works here in the US.
I'm sorry, but I still believe that Bryan's "sin" was lack of judgment, not contemplated theivery and deception. I have a feeling that with all the notiriety associated with this that he will have a very difficult getting a fair trial. I still say that if he wanted to dupe us, he would have taken the money and run long before it came to this pass.
As I say, call me what you wish, but I had to say this!
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I don't get it. Don't you people wonder where the $3 BILLION in suposidly invested money went to. The bottom line is Bryan never invested the money to make the promised/stated returns and your account balance was totally false.
IN OTHER WORDS HE RAN A PONZI for his own benefit. It appears they only followed transactions from EON bank. What about all the other banks he used?
If they ever did the accounting on those I'm sure there would be more charges.
The wording on the statement indicates that further charges will follow. But over forty counts of money laundering will be hard to defend.
And I think there is very little money left - certainly insufficient to satisfy the indebtedness.
i feel so very sad for all us pip's, i really belive in him because friends said how wonderful bm and his are. they look really bad. and almost feel sorry for them. but they took a lot of my money and now i have empty bank account. so i guess he sort of won. or do any of think we may get some of are money back. or does the bank kept it all?????????????? please email. for some reason i can't read my thread . thanks. V.STIGALL@SBCGLOBAL.NET
I agree with dancesport. There is no doubt the American government is involved because governments along with big businesses don't want the average person to become better off than they are. It would mean we would have too much power. If we all knew how much censorship there is in the information given to us via the media, we would be shocked.
I never know that my post here can attract so many people here... please don't shoot the messenger. I am also stuck in my believe whether to trust SI or not. I am hoping SI to refund me one day. I am a poor victim here. However, I don't hope SI will become about PIPS one day.
I join this HYIPs arena in April, learning a valuable lessons by paying alot of "education" fee. This leads me to be very careful in my investment. Good luck investors...
The first part of Rich's message above is right, how can people glory in the fact that he has been arrested like this? Even tho' it was over the minute Negara confiscated the money, this is truly the end and whatever money was there, it is gone for good, I think we should quit asking if we are going to get our money back. I am sure those from TG are just delighted and probably a lot of the really nasty comments in this thread are from them.
Call me naive if you want, but I don't think this was a Ponzi, not intentionally anyway, and if it was, I don't think Bryan would have been setting up real world businesses, not just online smoke and mirrors.
Remember how we ooh-ed and aah-ed about the Bistro, and how we were going to set them up all over the world. Nobody thought it was a bad idea at the time. How about during the grand opening, when we saw pictures, (and some of us were even there), of the king or whoever it was attending the party? Nobody said how stupid it was to do that at that time.
And if Bryan had set this up just to take our money, he would have been long gone before it was confiscated, not spending more on things he couldn't take with him when he skipped town.
I think, with his connections in that govt, he thought he could run this real business the way he wanted and I am sure he thought he was covered as far as rules and regulations go. Of course we now know this was not the case. And remember there are other people involved in this, those who are long gone.
But since he has been down for over a year, I think we should all take turns kicking him, make sure we all get our last kicks in before he is gone for good, right, as so many of those on the last 22 pages have done.
Last year, thinking we were wealthy, all on the computer screen of course, I spent money I really didn't have. I gave away things, that perhaps I shouldn't have. That was all my fault, not Bryans. Is my life a little messed up, yes, but I really can't blame that on Bryan, and I really don't think you all can either. We all wanted what Bryan was offering, so we put our money in and took our chances. And the feeling was so good while it lasted, that I kept trying to find something to replace it, and lost way more than I ever put into PIPS, just like a lot of you have done. Is that Bryan's fault, too?
This isn't like the Invex scammers who threw our own stupidity back in our faces and rubbed it in, those people I would like to get and see them put in jail so they couldn't hurt anyone else, because they said they were going to do it over and over again.
But I don't believe Bryan is like them, first off, he didn't get away with anything, just look at those pictures. Those pictures shout loudly, that they certainly didn't get away with anything.
The only thing that really bothers me, are the people who saw us so happy about this, that they also put their money in, that was another reason I have been so desparate to find something else to make money, to pay back something of what they lost.
Well, that is my rant for today, sorry if I stepped on anyones toes.
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I wish I had paid attention to this years ago.
brumby's comment is one of the few remarks that make any real sense on this forum. His contention regarding the naivety of the management could equally apply to all of us who participated in PIPs without doing our due diligence in the HOPE that this had been carried out by those going before us. It was the GREED aspect that drove us to take that risk, in the hope that we could get in and get out, before any authority decided to take a serious look at what was taking place. Unfortunate for most, THEY beat us to it!!!! Its a lesson for the future that I'm afraid most will not learn. Ho Hum.
Warga Britain, isteri didakwa ambil deposit haram RM33.5 juta
Oleh NORLIZAH ABAS dan TARMIZI ABDUL RAHIM
Bryan John Marsden (kiri) bersama isterinya, Phan Sew Ken di bawa keluar dari Mahkamah Sesyen Kuala Lumpur, semalam.
KUALA LUMPUR 30 Ogos – Seorang pengarah syarikat pajakan warga Britain mengaku tidak bersalah di Mahkamah Sesyen Seremban dan Mahkamah Sesyen di sini atas tuduhan menerima wang deposit hasil aktiviti haram bernilai hampir RM33.5 juta.
Bryan John Marsden, 58, yang menetap di Bandar Sunway, dihadapkan ke Mahkamah Sesyen di sini hari ini atas tujuh tuduhan melibatkan wang bernilai RM7.5 juta, yang didakwa dilakukan di antara 23 Disember 2003 dan 6 Julai tahun lalu di Malayan Banking Berhad, No. 7 dan 9, Jalan 3/76D, Desa Pandan dekat sini.
Tertuduh merupakan individu pertama di negara ini didakwa oleh Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) atas kesalahan melakukan pengubahan wang secara haram iaitu menerima wang deposit tanpa kebenaran.
Kes tersebut juga adalah yang pertama di negara ini yang melibatkan urusan pengambilan deposit haram melalui talian (online).
Aktiviti tersebut yang turut menggunakan beberapa laman web dipercayai berpusat di Labuan, Sabah disiasat hasil aduan seorang pegawai Unit Penyiasatan Khas BNM, Abdul Halim Mohamad Dalib.
Bagi setiap tuduhan pertama hingga keenam, Marsden didakwa menerima wang sebanyak RM1 juta, RM1 juta, RM500,000, RM2.5 juta, RM1 juta dan RM650,000.
Lelaki tersebut yang ketika itu merupakan Pengarah PIC Capital Sdn. Bhd. didakwa menerima wang berkenaan melalui akaun syarikatnya.
Tuduhan ketujuh, Marsden didakwa menerima wang RM754,156 melalui akaun PIC Capital Ventures (M) Sdn. Bhd. di tempat yang sama.
Hakim Akhtar Tahir membenarkan tertuduh diikat ***** RM500,000 dengan seorang pen***** rakyat tempatan dan menetapkan kes disebut pada 30 Oktober ini.
Sebelum itu, Timbalan Pendakwa Raya Dzulkifli Ahmad ketika memohon *****an berhujah, kes itu serius dan melibatkan sejumlah wang amat besar iaitu mencecah RM7.5 juta.
Bagaimanapun tertuduh yang tidak diwakili peguam ketika diberi peluang berhujah bagi mengurangkan *****annya menyatakan: “Saya tiada apa-apa yang ingin dikatakan. Saya sudah hilang segala-galanya, saya tiada wang.’’
Dzulkifli turut memohon tarikh sebutan bagi membolehkan kes itu dipindahkan ke Mahkamah Sesyen Seremban, Negeri Sembilan untuk perbicaraan secara serentak atas tuduhan yang serupa.
Dia didakwa mengikut Seksyen 4(1) Akta Pencegahan Pengubahan Wang Haram 2001 dibaca bersama Seksyen 87(1) yang memperuntukkan denda maksimum RM5 juta atau penjara lima tahun atau kedua-dua sekali.
Terdahulu, Marsden dan isterinya, Phan Sew Ken, 55, rakyat tempatan masing-masing didakwa atas 41 tuduhan menerima deposit secara haram berjumlah RM26,679,371.
Pasangan itu yang merupakan Pengarah Syarikat New Mark Business Centres Sdn. Bhd. bagaimanapun mengaku tidak bersalah atas semua tuduhan yang dibacakan terhadap mereka dan minta dibicarakan.
Kedua-dua tertuduh didakwa melakukan kesalahan itu antara 12 Ogos 2003 dan 31 Disember 2003; 15 Januari 2004 dan 15 Oktober 2004; dan 3 Januari 2005 dan 4 Januari 2005.
Mengikut kertas pertuduhan, mereka berdua dituduh melibatkan diri dalam aktiviti pengubahan wang haram, iaitu menerima deposit wang yang dimasukkan ke dalam akaun mereka di EON Bank Group di Lot PT5730, Jalan TS 2/1D, Taman Semarak, Nilai.
Hakim Mohd. Zaki Abd. Wahab menetapkan 13 September ini untuk sebutan semula bagi membolehkan kedua-dua tertuduh melantik peguam bela.
New details from this post are : -
Mentioning the name of the investigating officer from BNM Special Investigation Branch or in malay Unit Penyiasatan Khas BNM. En. Abdul Halim Mohamad Dalib.
The location of Mardens home, Bandar Sunway, Seremban.
So where is the money! Can we at least get our capital back
This is what I'm wondering. It says he RECEIVED money illegally... WHERE IS ALL THAT MONEY? Could it be still in the accts that are frozen?
If the real intent is to prevent fraud, then protection FROM fraud has a place in there, so unless putting money in was illegal too, seems it should be returned...
I know it's wait and see for now...but does anyone know if we have recourse? Do we have A person to represent us with BN?
Like I said in one of my ealier posts: I cannot understand why Bryan coundn't get a REAL job and quite scamming people. Then some ***** asks me if I know of any news to please let it be known. How stupid!
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