There is no mention of " PIPS " Amongst the charges against Brian --- or did I miss out -unless there is more to come !

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From my very first post at RC, 4 Feb, ("When hope becomes denial"):

"Sooner or later, we’ll all learn the sad truth, and it won’t be very glamorous. No take-down of a billion dollar business by crooked governments; just the end of the line for a broken scammer."

I've not been hangin' around to see what would happen to PIPS, to me it was always clear from the beginning (for me, summer of 05). Today's newspaper picture is worth a thousand words, certainly giving better illustration to "broken scammer."

Yes, he is still innocent until proven guilty, but prosecutors don't file charges to play games; in this case, they are making Marsden the poster child of their new 2001 law, and you can bet they have an investment in conviction. Too bad for his wife, who stood by her man. Yes, it's "only money landering;" then again, they took down Al Capone on tax evasion charges. Whatever it takes....

What I wonder about is the human drama surrounding the money -- will people learn the larger lesson? i.e. not about investing in hyips, which is obviously a bad idea, worse than shooting craps, but about listening to the quieter voices (especially the one inside but also those we conjur up around us to get help) that would lead us to better places? Most of us, and I include myself, too often listen to the little ego/mind voice that is based on fear and lack instead of the deeper ones which steer us towards true bounty. May God help us!

The only 2 intelligent posts I found in this pile of 19 pages full of BS and crap!

Innocent until proven guilty in the US/UK or elsewhere in our todays western "modern" and "civilized" world?? May I ask where you guys live?? Don't you still have realized who actually has the power? Do you think that the powers to be, and I don't mean those poor puppets like Bush or Bliar, will ever permit the average Joe to become rich and thus independent?? Don't you realize that the staged 9/11 was the blueprint, the start for a completely new world order? "Anti money laundering", just like "terrorist" are words you can really stretch and which became so popular since the new laws have been passed.

Do you really believe everything what is being told in the news? Do you actually have your own brain to think?

Are you guys really so naive and blind or do you only act???
Most of you "modern" and "educated" guys have no clue, really absolutely no clue at all what is going on in this fuc**ing world!

FINALLY WAKE UP and see what is going on!! If we don't get our money back don't thank BM for it but BNM and the very powers to be in this world who created and own the monetary and whole economical system and who decide what is happening, how and where it is happening. From inventing the 9-5 slave treadmill for us, raise certain people to power in other countries or take them down again, start wars in other countries and end them whenever they want, who control all lobbies, the society, the thinking of the people and everything. Those snakes, who hide behind religions, monarchy, industrialists, bankers, those are the ones you should blame but actually everybody should blame themselves (including me) first cause we have permitted and granted them all the power!! We gave up our thinking and responsibility to third parties, to strangers we never elected and don't know who they are. It is no surprise the world has come to that situation we face nowadays where all our civil and human rights are torn away, always only bit by bit so that many don't realize it, everything under the excuse of "Anti-terrorist" and "Anti-Money-Laundering" and "Anti I don't know whatever", of course only to protect us *lol*. Hello???

When will you realize that insidious game those snakes play with us??

And to all those who wish BM and S to go to hell or whatever: the one who thinks of himself he's completely innocent shall throw the first stone!

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finally some closure...... he deserves what he gets. hes not the only one who lost. he forgot to mention the 200,000 members that he screwed over.

Whether or not Bryan Marsden did something illegal is for the court to decide. Did he do anything morally wrong? That is for a different Source to decide.

Did he wrong us in any way?

Except for the verbal exchanges and the lack of communication, it is difficult for me to find fault with Bryan and Sharon. They did not steal our money. They did not benefit from our losses. But maybe Bank Negara has. . . .

As several have pointed out, Bank Negara's website no longer has any information about PIPS.

Their website does have a link to a scholarship - a Shariah scholarship. Shariah refers to very strict Islamic law.

Could it be that the charges of money-laundering are really trumped up charges? Could it be that Bank Negara's board members consider Bryan's and Sharon's activities to be in violation of their own religious doctrine, and therefore are putting them away?

The bottom line is this: We will probably never see our money again. There is not much that we can do about it. The bank has its government's backing. The moral codes of banks and governments - particularly in this part of the world - is not the same as many of us might hope. The bank and government might just see themselves as justified in confiscating PIPS funds because we, the "investors", have been in violation of some law just as they say Bryan and Sharon are.

Marek says this is a sad time. He says he is a humanist. I agree. I think many of us participated in PIPS not only for the money, but also because of the humane causes it represented.

One humane cause, now, would be to help Bryan and Sharon get out of jail, and maybe even out of Malaysia.

PIPS is gone; our money is gone; but we are still humans. Bryan and Sharon were our friends while PIPS was alive. If they have done nothing fundamentally wrong to us, they deserve to continue to be friends - even though they have treated us with neglect for the past year.

I am at a loss for exactly what we could do. But maybe a petition signed by former PIPSTERS saying we do not hold Bryan or Sharon responsible for our losses, sent to the courts in Malaysia, might aid in a lenient decision by their judges.

It is a sad event. I feel that Bryan and Sharon are being made to suffer as a result of trying to do something good for me (and you). That weighs on my conscience. Does it weigh on yours?

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Thank you Raine

I was appalled browsing through the postings hailing them all kinds of ugly descriptions... I told Marek of this too and my displeasure about it.

Please, lets stop this degrading of another just because he did what you may feel he deserve whats coming...but calling her as such and or wishing the worst of evils for him... that is going lower than the offender...so please, calm and compose your anger with the facts that he has been legally confronted by the authorities...he did not put up a scene except his right to claim a trial and lets just respect that dignity for all involved.

This incarceration however mild or deliberate is becoming distasteful...and I for ROLClub certainly DON't endorse this at all...

I know and realised, many want to see blood...but does that make you any better slinging easy shots of this nature from a distance with anonymity???


I think the pictures themselves being repeatedly copypasted is a deliberate act to belittle the couple and I for one am sad by that and will soon have them deleted...but will leave one standing... the message and point was carried and seen...repeating it doesn't make the case for multiple sentences and comdemnation.... his trial alone will be a heavy toll on his personal esteem or whatever is left of it...I see that as punishment in itself and I can relate to the pain he is bearing for them both... so, please post what you wish to say or add but stop copy pasting the pics all over repeatedly... thank-you.




YB. - cheers to the RC CARE Group and have some compassion for B & S despite what they have been accused of doing...

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In Summary :

BM and his wife were both charged for 41 illegal transactions under the Money Laundering Act in the Seremban Session Court through transactions using EON Bank in Nilai ( a town under the jurisdiction of Seremban Session Court in the State Territory) around noon on 30th August 2006. His wife, SM, being the managing director of a local company handling PI**S transactions. This case will be mentioned again on September 13th to allow defendants to engage lawyers since they were not represented and they pleaded not guilty to all charges.

BM was charged for another 7 illegal transactions under the Money Laundering Act in the Kuala Lumpur Session Court through transactions using Malayan Banking Bank in Pandan ( a town under the jurisdiction of Kuala Lumpur Session Court in the Federal Territory) in the late afternoon on 30th August 2006. This 7 charges were related PIC. (Total 41+7 = 48 charges). This case will be transferred to the Seremban Session Court to be mentioned again on 30th October since he was not represented by a lawyer and he pleaded not guilty to all charges.

Both were granted bail of RM 500,000 each with local bailors. They have no money for bail so they have to wait in prison for the next hearing.

September 13th and October 30th are Case Management dates, not the Trial Date to begin. The judge has to ensure defendants have a legal counsel to represent them in court for the trial. If they cannot afford to engage legal counsel themselves, a lawyer will be assigned through the Legal Aid to defend them.
Prosecutor and Defence Lawyer must agree they are ready for the case to go on trial before the judge set the Trial date. BM, being a British national, will probably be assisted by the British Embassy in Malaysia to engage a lawyer for their citizen's defence and the British Embassy will normally engage a lawyer to hold watching briefs in court during trials to make sure their citizen is given a fair trial under the local laws.

Malaysian laws use the same British law systems. Defendants remain innocent until proven guilty under the laws they are charged.

BNM is Bank Negara Malaysia, is not an ordinary Bank, is the Reserve Bank of Malaysia responsible for the country governance of financial transactions, banks operations, to issue licences to operate any money lending business, any money changing business, any money mortgage business, to investigate and prosecute any persons or instituitions operating such business without a valid licence to do so. Thus taking money as loans and promising 2% per day through the internet without a valid licence from BNM is illegal transactions.
Money Laundering Acts is similar to USA and UK money laundering acts.

If they get maximum five years jail, if found guilty, they can be freed in less than five years after deducting good conduct in jail, etc. Whether they were smart enough to have stacked some of their ill gotten gains in some safe haven banks to enjoy later is for us to guess. BNM would have spent some time to investigate this possibility and to trace their bank transactions, thus taking so long since other countries banks may be involved. BM faced two separate charges so he may have to do prison time longer, if found guilty.

BM and SM were on police bails for a year as stated by SM in court, as such their passports would have be held by the police. Their personal and companies assets and bank accounts were frozen by the government as stated by SM in court. BM never mentioned this to us before ! Since they are charged in court and now under the court jurisdiction, their passports would be held by the court.

The truth of how they operated will be revealed by the prosecutor during the trials and their defence. So we need to wait further for some truth.

So pi**ters, forget this dreams and meanwhile move on with your life.

Regain your loss from somewhere else or worked harder to cover the loss. To those retired, don't be fooled again by such schemes and re-adjust your living accordingly, don't lose any more money than you can afford.

I know it is hard for me and for many for their loss. I am sad and sorry to see BM and SM sitting together in hand cuffs whether they are wrong or not. Maybe BM was right in saying " I have lost everything". As stated by the news reports SM, being a woman, was emotional and really cried before the judge when she spoke.

Getting old and has no more money and no where to go is very bad, but the possibility of going through a prison stay for some time before retirement is worse in anyone's life.

After all, we are all human beings irrespective of colours or religions. Give and forgive is up to each of us.

God bless you all.

Millions of dollars invested and now Bryan says he has lost everything.
So where did our money go?????? Who has it? Does anyone on this forum know?

Doug

Hi All.
I am still a believer in Bryan even with this. It seems as if the US govt has finally pulled enough strings, told enough lies to finally get him where they want him. If any of this were true why iss he available for charges and arrest? Why is he living in poverty? Do not be so ready to lay fault without the evidence... people are arrested in error every day for many reasons, in this case; US Banking and Politics.. and probably some outright fraud by people who were high up in PIPs who have now disappeared considerably richer than they once were????

double post

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