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    Quote Originally Posted by BM
    There are a total of 24 combinations in all, but we only pay on a combination using each of the four numbers as the first number.

    eg.

    1234
    2341
    3412
    4123

    It is explained clearly on the site.

    Bryan
    Thanks for clearing this out Bryan,
    So for another example. The drawing 4792 would give the following winners:
    4792
    7924
    9247
    2479

    And the odds are 1 in (10!-6!)/4 = 1260.

    Is this correct?

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    I agree would be nice to see some of our money in the old pips coming our side - I had a round 4000 dollars pending in picpay. I have never got a straight answer if our money is in the system still.

    Happy pipster or unhappy???

    Jens

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    Thanks for the explanation Bryan.
    Ok guys, the maths.

    Combinations.
    Let me use as an example any 3 from 4.
    Each number can only appear 3 times in total, and the order of each group is ascending.
    123
    124
    134
    234

    The formula is 4C3 = 4x3x2/1x2x3 =4

    Permatations
    To permatate 3 from 4, the numbers will appear in a random order. We can use No1 as an example.
    123
    132
    124
    142
    134
    143

    The formula is 4P3 = 4x3x2 = 24 which gives every possible way of combining 3 numbers irrespective of the order they appear in each group.

    Going back to the lotto, to hit a winning combination, you would need to perm 4 from 10 to cover every possible combination of numbers drawn.

    10P4 = 10x9x8x7 = 5040 Your odds of a win are 5040:1

    You cannot use combinations because the winning line is in the order of the draw, and the first number drawn may be a 7, an 8 or even a 9 which will not fall into an ascending order for a combination bet, never mind what could happen with the other 3 numbers.
    If the BOX had been 4 numbers in any order, then we could have used combinations, 10C4 = 10x9x8x7/1x2x3x4 = 210 which would have been a good bet with a $750 payout :)

    As a gambler I cant see where to shave off a number or two to reduce the odds, but if you want to try a full cover 4 from 8 = 8x7x6x5 =$1680 stake.
    Or 4 from 7 = 7x6x5x4 = $840. Just means taking a gamble and dropping 2 or 3 numbers you think have no chance of coming out of the hat.

    Thanks guys
    paddy

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